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Since I had such a good time doing the intersite mock draft and reading what everyone had to say, I was hoping someone would start this thread since the last one got locked up right around the time posters started putting the divisions picks in order. Ill post everyones 3 rounds picks and have a few questions everyone can awnser.

1. Rams: superbowldogg--QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
2. Detroit Lions: Loki --OT Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: TopDawg16 --Ndamukong Suh, DT- Nebraska.
4. Washington Redskins: Thebigbaddawg --Gerald McCoy, DT Oklahoma
5. Kansas City Chiefs: Davy --Eric Berry, S, Tenn.
6. Seattle Seahawks: Browns26 --Bryan Bualaga, OT, Iowa
7. Cleveland Browns: DeepThreat --Joe Haden, CB, Florida
8. Oakland Raiders: Dawgpound017 --Bruce Campbell OT Maryland
9. Buffalo Bills: CaliforniaBrownsFan --Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
10. Jacksonville Jaguars: THROW LONG --Derrick Morgan DE Georgia Tech
11. Denver Broncos (from Chicago): Kingcob --Rolando McClain ILB Alabama
12. Miami Dolphins: Hooter --Jason Pierre-Paul, DE, South Florida
13. San Francisco 49ers: legalizewd --Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
14. Seattle Seahawks (from Denver): Browns26 --Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. New York Giants: lampdogg --Sean Weatherspoon LB Missouri
16. Tennessee Titans: Mattack --Earl Thomas, S, Texas
17. San Francisco 49ers: legalizewd-- Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Steelhack,-- C Maurkice Pouncey
19. Atlanta Falcons: Brownoholic-- Brandon Graham DE Michigan
20. Houston Texans: Moon --C. J. Spiller RB Clemson
21. Cincinnati Bengals:HotBYoungTurk -- Mike Iupati - G -Idaho
22. New England Patriots: Cleveland_clutch-- Jared Odrick DE/DT Penn State
23. Green Bay Packers:Dawgmanincincy--Kyle Wilson,CB,Boise state
24. Philadelphia Eagles:Tubby_Dawg--Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
25. Baltimore Ravens: Dave -- Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
26. Cleveland Browns (from Az) DeepThreat --Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
27. Dallas Cowboys: no_logo_required-- Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
28. San Diego Chargers: ChargerDawg --Ryan Matthews RB, Fresno St.
29. New York Jets: Buckeyed11 --Jerry Hughes DE/OLB TCU
30. Minnesota Vikings: McCutch_Forever -- Devin McCourty CB, Rutgers
31. Indianapolis Colts: Batman -- Brian Price DT, UCLA
32.Kansas City Chiefs: Davy - Sergio Kindle, OLB Texas

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Round 2
1 33 St. Louis- superbowldogg Notre Dame Golden Tate WR (rights to Tate traded to Tampa Bay)
2 34 Detroit -Loki Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida St.
3 35 St. Louis from (dawgtalker trade Tampa Bay) superbowldogg- Jon Asamoah, OG, Illinois
4 36 Saints -from (dawgtalker trade Kansas City) clwb419 – Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida
5 37 Washington- Thebigbaddawg- Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
6 38 Cardinals- (dawgtalker trade from Cleveland) Frenchy - Demaryius Thomas WR Georgia Tech
7 39 Oakland -Dawgpound017 - Everson Griffen, DE USC
8 40 San Diego- (from Seattle) ChargerDawg - Terrence Cody - DT Alabama
9 41 Buffalo -CaliforniaBrownsFan - Cam Thomas, DT, North Carolina
10 42 Tampa Bay -(from Chicago) TopDawg16- Kareem Jackson, CB- Alabama
11 43 Miami- Hooter -Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois
12 44 New England- (from Jacksonville) Cleveland_clutch- TE Rob Gronkowski Arizona
13 45 Denver- Kingcob- Vladimir Ducasse OT Massachusetts
14 46 N.Y. Giants- lampdogg - Lamarr Houston, Univ. of Texas
15 47 New England -(from Tennessee) Cleveland_clutch Thaddeus Gibson OLB Ohio State
16 48 Carolina -Cleveland_clutch Aaron Hernandez TE Florida
17 49 San Francisco- legalizewd Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma
18 50 Kansas City -(from Atlanta) Davy Charles Brown, OT, USC
19 51 Houston - Moon: Nate Allen, S, South Florida
20 52 Pittsburgh- Steelhack Jahvid Best, RB, California
21 53 New England- Cleveland_clutch Chad Jones, S, LSU
22 54 Cincinnati- HotBYoungTurk - Brandon Spikes - MLB -Florida
23 55 Philadelphia- Tubby_Dawg--Center Matt Tennant--Boston College
24 56 Green Bay - Corey Wooten,DE,Northwestern
25 57 Baltimore - Dave - Chris Cook, CB, Virginia
26 58 Arizona -Frenchy - Rodger Saffold OT Indiana University
27 59 Dallas - no_logo_required Alex Carrington, DE/DT, Arkansas State
28 60 Seattle -(from San Diego) Browns26 Jermaine Cunningham DE Florida
29 61 N.Y. Jets - Buckeyed11 Jacoby Ford WR Clemson
30 62 Minnesota - McCutch_Forever Colt McCoy QB Texas
31 63 Indianapolis- Batman Daryl Washington LB TCU
32 64 New Orleans- clwb419 - Tyson Alualu, DT, Cal

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Round 3
1 65 St Louis Superbowldogg WR Eric Decker Minnesota
2 66 Detroit Loki Sean Lee LB SU
3 67 St Louis ::from tampa bay:: Superbowldogg Amari Spievey, Iowa
Redskins (used in suplemental)
4 68 New Orleans ::from KC:: CLWB 419 - Novorro Bowman, LB PSU
5 69 Oakland Dawgpound017 Perrish Cox, CB Oklahoma St.
6 70 Philadelphia TubbyDawg--Jared Veldeer OT Hillsdale
7 71 Arizona ::from Cleveland:: Frenchy - OLB Jason Worilds Va. Tech
8 72 Buffalo CaliforniaBrownsFan-Taylor Price, WR, Ohio University
9 73 Miami Hooter -- Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana
10 74 Jacksonville THROW LONG Jonathon Dwyer RB, Georgia Tech
11 75 Chicago Punchsmack -- Selvish Capers T WVU
12 76 Giants Lampdogg: (J.D. Walton, C, Baylor)
13 77 Tennessee Mattack - Donald Butler, LB, Washington
14 78 Carolina Cleveland_Clutch- Mike Neal DT Purdue
15 79 San Francisco Legalizewd Morgan Burnett S Georgia Tech
16 80 Denver Kingcob Torrell Troup DT UCF
17 81 Houston Moon: Kevin Thomas CB - USC
18 82 Pittsburgh SteelHack - Eric Norwood LB - South Carolina
19 83 Atlanta Brownholic - Geno Atkins DT - Georgia
20 84 Cincinnati HotBYoungTurk - Mardy Gilyard - WR - Cincinnati
21 85 Cleveland --from Oakland-- DeepThreat Damian Williams, WR, USC
22 86 Green Bay DawgMan in Cincy Jason Fox, OT, Miami
23 87 Oakland Dawgpound017 Jimmy Graham, TE, Miami
24 88 Arizona Frenchy Jerome Murphy CB, South Florida
25 89 Arizona Frenchy Ricky Sapp DE/LB, Clemson
26 90 Dallas NoLogoRequired Dexter McCluster, RB/WR Ole Miss
27 91 San Diego Charger Dawg - Toby Gerhart - RB Stanford.
28 92 Cleveland DeepThreat Reshad Jones, S, Georgia
29 93 Minnesota McCutch_Forever Linval Joseph DT East Carolina
30 94 Indianapolis Batman John Jerry G Ole Miss
31 95 Kansas City Davy Andre Roberts WR
32 96 Cincinnati HotBYounturk - Montario Hardesty HB Tennessee
33 97 Tennessee Mattack - DE Austen Lane, Murray State
34 98 Atlanta Brownoholic - A.J. Edds - OLB - Iowa

Which team had the best draft (other than your own)?

Which team had the worst draft?

Which pick was the biggest reach?

Which player most likely fell the furthest?

Im hoping some grade each team in catagoires from A thru F and some discussions on each teams picks follows.

Another question. I was thinking which route to do the 49ers. Which route in the 1st round would you guys have done with the 49ers first 2 picks.

1st round
13) Trent Williams OT, Oklahoma
17)Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State

or should I have went

1st round
13) Talyor Mays S USC
17)Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers (heck, maybe Trent Williams would have still been available)

I would have been happy with either scenerio.

I picked Dominique Franks CB Oklahoma in the 2nd. Since I didnt fill the 49ers biggest need at DB I felt it was a must in the next 2 rounds. That pick was my biggest reach and probabley the only pick that will actually be available in the 49ers first 3 rounds, over the players that were available. I really wanted to go Nate Allen but I knew I would get a decent FS later in the draft. I didnt know it would be Morgan Burnett though. The 49ers had a bigger need a FS than SS. I went with Franks because of his ability in the return game. He isnt a game changer in the return game but he does have experiance and in Zone coverage. I was torn between him, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana and Chris Cook, CB, Virginia. Owusu had return experiance, better size and combine numbers but I didnt get to watch him play. Franks had experiance in bigger games and playing against better players. Alot of people had Cook rated above both players. Even though I was intigued by Cooks size his combine numbers werent too good, no return experiance, and he didnt stick out to me at all during the college football season. I was really hoping Kareem Jackson, CB- Alabama fell to this spot. I didnt read much on him because he was already picked so I dont know if he has return experiance but he is good enough in coverage that I didnt care. If I picked him the 49ers could have used any round to select anyone with return skills regardless of position.

My 3rd round pick was Morgan Burnett S Georgia Tech. No way he falls this far. Burnett was tied for the nation with 9 ints. and led his team with 149 tackles his sophmore year. He went 4 and 80 something in tackles his junior year. I was origiannly going to go 3-4 OLB, but Safety was a bigger need and I feel Burnett was BPA over the 3 3-4 OLBs I was looking to select- Koa Misi, Utah; Eric Norwood, South Carolina; and Ricky Sapp, Clemson. I had them in that order even though Norwood and Sapp both went in the 3rd round mock and Misi didnt.

Discuss

This might help with the grades and discussions
(divisions not finished)
I thread was locked before the post I copied this from (rooster) finished all the divisions.

NFC NORTH

Chicago: Punchsmack

1st: none; 2nd: none; 3rd: Selvish Capers T

Detroit: Loki

1st: OT Russell Okung; 2nd: Patrick Robinson, CB; 3rd: Sean Lee LB

Green Bay:Dawgmanincincy

1st: Kyle Wilson,CB; 2nd: Corey Wooten,DE; 3rd: Jason Fox, OT

Tampa Bay: TopDawg16

1st: Ndamukong Suh, DT; 2nd: Golden Tate WR (rights to Tate traded to Tampa Bay), Kareem Jackson, CB; 3rd: none


NFC WEST

Cardinals

1st: None; 2nd: (2 picks) Demaryius Thomas WR Rodger Saffold OT ; 3rd: (3 picks) Jerome Murphy CB, Ricky Sapp DE/LB; Jason Worilds OLB

Rams

1st: QB Sam Bradford; 2nd: (2 picks) Golden Tate WR, Jon Asamoah, OG; 3rd (2 picks): WR Eric Decker, Amari Spievey,

Seahawks

1st: (2 picks): Taylor Mays, S, Bryan Bualaga, OT; 2nd: Jermaine Cunningham DE ; 3rd: None

49ers

1st: (2 picks) Trent Williams, OT, Dez Bryant, WR; 2nd: Dominique Franks, CB; 3rd: Morgan Burnett S


NFC EAST

Cowboys

1st: Brandon Ghee (CB); 2nd: Alex Carrington, DE/DT, 3rd: Dexter McCluster, RB/WR

Eagles

1st: Dan Williams, DT, 2nd: Matt Tennant (C) 3rd: Jared Veldeer OT

Giants

1st: Sean Weatherspoon LB; 2nd: Lamarr Houston, DL; 3rd: J.D. Walton, C, Baylor

Redskins

1st: Gerald McCoy, DT; 2nd: Tim Tebow, QB; 3rd: Redskins (used in suplemental)

AFC EAST

Bills

1st J.Clausen (QB), 2nd Cam Thomas (DT), 3rd Taylor Price (WR)

Dolphins

1st Jason Pierre Paul (DE) 2nd A. Benn (WR), 3rd Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (CB),

Patriots

1st Jared Odrick (DE/DT), 2nd Rob Gronkowski (TE),
2nd Thaddeus Gibson (OLB) , 2nd Chad Jones (S),

Jets

1st Jerry Hughes (DE/OLB), 2nd Jacoby Ford WR

AFC WEST

Broncos

1st Rolando McClain (ILB) 2nd Vladimir Ducasse (OT), 3rd Torrell Troup (DT)

Chiefs

1st Eric Berry (S), 1st Sergio Kindle (LB), 2nd Charles Brown (OT), 3rd Andre Roberts (WR)

Raiders

1st Bruce Campbell (OT), 2nd Everson Griffen (DE), 3rd Perrish Cox (CB) 3rd Jimmy Graham (TE)

Chargers

1st Ryan Matthews (RB), 2nd Terrence Cody (DT), 3rd Toby Gerhart (RB),

AFC SOUTH

Texans

1st C.J. Spiller (RB), 2nd Nate Allen (S), 3rd Kevin Thomas (CB),

Colts

1st Brian Price (DT), 2nd Daryl Washington (LB), 3rd John Jerry (G),

Jaguars

1st Derrick Morgan (DE), 3rd Jonathon Dwyer (RB)

Titans

1st Earl Thomas (S), 3rd Donald Butler (ILB), 3rd Austen Lane (DE)

I think we shoulda went old school for the mock draft- like it was 1985.

12 rounds baby!

I'd like to say that I would not have drafted Tebow if I knew the Skins would have traded for McNabb...

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Campbell @8 to Oakland. Now, Al Davis may actually pick him and that may have been the point there, but I don’t value Bruce as an OT very much especially considering the great class of OTs available.

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Haha, yup, that's what I was going for.

I picked as Al Davis. It actually is a big need for them, but I personally would have taken the BPA there for them, which wouldn't have been Campbell. I just wanted to play it out there like I was Al Davis picking his size/speed workout specimen. The rest of the picks, I went with some values and BPAs there. I think a found a few that slid a little.

Plus I got McNabb- gotta protect him!

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Which team had the best draft (other than your own)?

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This is tough. I loved the 49ers 1st round. The Giants, Texans and Saints had really good drafts as well. I'd probably go with the Saints.

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Which team had the worst draft?

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I say Eagles.

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Which pick was the biggest reach?

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Brandon Ghee.

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Which player most likely fell the furthest?

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Damian Williams, Linvall Joseph, and Anthony Davis off the top of my head.

I like what TopDawg16 did with Tampa. He got Suh, Golden Tate (I like him more than others, I think he made Clausen look good like how Winslow and edwards made DA look good) and CB Kareem Jackson. Thats 3 guys that can come in and contribute right away.

Arizona did a good job getting Jerome Murphy and Ricky Sapp in the 3rd round.

thanks for the props, logo. I bothered some Giants fans on a MB for their needs, then went with the BPA at those positions after doing some research.
I'd evaluate others but I'm not schooled enough on all these players. I'd say the 49ers and Broncos both got some good players.

Players that I was surprised were not drafted by the end of round 3.

Ben Tate, Joe McKnight. Dan LeFevor, Tony Pike. Ed Dickson, Major Wright, Koa Misi, Javier Arenas.

Players that I was surprised to be drafted.

Austin Lane, Torrel Troup, Selvish Capers.

I was really frustrated at the end of the 3rd for the Chargers, All the corners were gone. and Graham and Sapp were off the board a couple of picks before.

The mock provided some insight as to what others are thinking and about other specific needs. I would not be surprised if 30-35 corners were taken. I also think that RB will fall.

I already talked to you about that via PM's. I disagree. I don't think the Eagles' main needs were filled.

their o-line is pretty banged up, and aging....gotta get fresh bodies in there....I wanted to get a OLB but when I saw Dan Williams slip that far I was more than happy to turn the card in for him.....


everything I did in my short study of Phila told me they need 0-line help

I like the move Deep made to get back into the first to take Anthony Davis for us.

I like San Fran's draft, too. Coming away with Trent Williams and Dez Bryant would be a real nice draft.

I have another question I would like to add to the discussion for the people that participated in the draft or for the people that have followed. With some of the recent trades (and this could be awnsered later for the trades that come before or during the draft), what would you have done differantly?

With my team, the 49ers traded for Ted Ginn. I selected Dez Bryant at #17 and Dominique Franks CB at #49. WR wasnt the biggest need for the 49ers because they have Crabtree and now they have Ginn who its been said that will compete with 2 other guys for the #3 WR spot. I just felt Bryant brought the 49ers offense with Gore,Crab, Davis and Coffee to a whole new level. With a draft deep in DBs I had the luxury to make that pick. Especially since Im happy with Franks and real happy with Morgan Burnett. But I feel Franks was a bit of a reach. I have seen some mocks with him being taken that high. CBSs draft site had 2-3 CBs ranked higher than Franks but still had Franks taken before them in their mock. Now knowing that the 49ers have Ginn, and even though the 49ers biggest need is CB (Safety isnt far behind) I might have went with Nate Allen from USF or Jones out of LSU over Franks. It might have change my mind on how I went in the 1st round too thinking WR is now not a need at all. I might have reached for Kyle Wilson CB Boise St.

So for those of you with teams that made a trade and for those of you following (I think McNabb was traded during this draft. I guess whoever had Philly could say what they would have done with the extra picks), is there anything you would have done differant?

no_logo- with the addition of Ginn, do you still feel Dez and Trent are still the way to go over Mays and Davis (Trent still might have been there). The teams that picked 14) Seattle too Baluaga earlier in 1st round,15) Giants took LB Witherspoon,16) Titans took Earl Thomas didnt go o-line. Or do you think Ginn wouldnt be much of a factor anyways to still grab Bryant? Heck, the addition of Ginn make that offense that much more explosive having Vernon Davis, Gore/Coffee, Crabtree, Bryant and Ginn on the field at the same time? I didnt look into the team that much to see exactly what formations they run the most or how much they use their FB. If Alex Smith couldnt win with those weopens, I would say he is a way bigger bust then Tim Couch.

I don't believe Ginn factors in at all with that pick. SF badly needed his KR/PR abilities and was picked up almost solely for those. Anything he gives them on offense (most likely WR3 or gimmicky plays) will be seen as gravy.

Crabs/Dez/Vernon is still a crazy combo (in all senses of the phrase)