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Just something I noticed that I found interesting.

Most agree we started out pretty good. Yet when JFF came in, it looked like the team just gave up. Isn't that the same thing we saw last year?

You can't really infer that. Manziel threw the TD to Benji and we were looking pretty good. It was after that when it all went to hell.

Oh yes, I most certainly can. And I Did!

So... you and the team were bummed and ready to pack it in when Benji ran it in?

I didn't see that at all, honestly. I simply saw the entire team perform like a turd for the majority of the game, which we have seen over the years no matter who the QB is. I think you're reaching for something that isn't there, possibly in order to support some sort of an agenda.

Excellent Manziel picture post pblack.
We might as well start him and see if he can actually improve in those areas.

Nah. I just saw that happen last year when JFF played. Like you said, the team played like a turd the majority of the game. JFF played for the vast majority of the game.

Sounds like we're almost saying the same thing doesn't it?

No, I'm saying they were going to play like a turd for the majority of the game whether it was McCown or Manziel at QB. You're saying their turdness level is based on the fact that Manziel was in at QB and their effort would have been greater if it was McCown in there.

Bingo. Said it yesterday in the game chat. Many disagree. That first drive was a thing of beauty when McCown was in. Enter JF and the wheels fell off. I believe the players have little faith in JF.

I don't know, the first D stand and the long drive with McCown looked pretty good. Hard to suddenly say based on that they would have sucked much of the game.

So you're saying losing your starting QB has no impact on a team?

If that first drive was a thing of beauty, what was the TD pass from Manziel to Benjamin?

It's hard to say they wouldn't have sucked much of the game. I'm saying there is no evdience that the team suddenly gave up when Manziel entered the game, especially considering they scored a touchdown on his first drive. I could say the team tried extra hard when Manziel entered that they ended up tiring themselves out and couldn't keep up with the Jets the rest of the way. That holds as much definitive evidence as what you're saying.

such total bs in some of these posts and yea Pit your post stepped in.

Anyway from Pet's presser, it sounds like it will likely be Johnny on Sunday.

There was a defender coming from the right, and if he had pulled his right arm back to throw, the defender would have been able to grab it.

He threw left handed because he was able to get rid of the ball with that hand.

I simply posed it as a question and said it was a possibility. However I also knew it would get people very defensive and be a little funny too.

That's half the fun of it!

McCown in concussion protocol; Manziel will prepare as starter

If our run game could open up, that will take away a lot of stress from JF, or whoever at QB.

Teams know we can't run, they tee off at the QB and our pass protection was very shaky.

I think JF with the first team reps/more reps could help him. I'm okay right now with him starting, but I really hope our run game can start to open up or JF is in trouble.

if McCown can't play, let's go JFF!!

rather see johnny. jmo.

from the way Pet sounded, even if cleared very well could be Johnny. Well he said something like if cleared, there will be a discussion.

For reasons I'd rather not talk about, I didn't get to see the whole game. I left right after Manziel threw the TD pass to Benji.. I didn't see any drop off in intensity to that point.

Perhaps later. But not right away.

think? sounded like it matter when mccown is able to practice. if he isnt cleared to practice thursday it will be johnny i would think. jmo.

Merrill Hoge on Manziel: Browns need to 'cut bait' ... 'immediately'

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...FTAG=YHF7e3228e

By Will Brinson | NFL Writer
September 14, 2015 10:41 am ET

The current Cleveland Browns starting quarterback, one Johnny Manziel, is a fairly divisive guy. People either love him or hate him. Put ESPN analyst Merrill Hoge in the latter camp.

Hoge, appearing on SportsCenter Monday morning, put Manziel on blast, saying the Browns need to "cut him" and do so "immediately."

"Here's what was evident in that game. He fell back on what he trusts. What is his instinct and you're never going to change that, that is who he is, he's going to run," Hoge said. "That's what he's believed in, he won a Heisman Trophy for and that's what he's going to go to when he needs that the most, when you need structure and discipline to come out, he's going to be erratic and reckless and run and that's never going to change.

"Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Baltimore, they love the plan that Cleveland's under. Keep going down that plan because all you do is set your organization back one more year by babysitting and trying to get this guy as your starting quarterback. So keep doing that for the other teams. But if you want to move on, cut bait, get another guy in there and go another direction. Immediately. Cut bait. Move on."

This is a nuclear-level hot take and an asinine opinion to give on national television. Was Johnny Manziel good on Sunday? Outside of a very nice touchdown pass to Travis Benjamin, no.

But you don't kick a kid to the curb because he hasn't developed the way you want him to. That's the whole point of development. Teach Manziel what he needs to learn. Show him how to develop footwork, get better in the pocket, not run when protection breaks down or there's not an open receiver.

He wasn't supposed to play this early in 2015 but he's thrust into the situation as a starter and the Browns need to make the most of things. Cutting Manziel after a bad Week 1 where he didn't even have a chance to prepare as starter? Silly warm hot take.


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Those who hate Manziel REALLY hate him!

That's like saying you were at Pearl Harbor until December 6, 1941 and didn't notice any commotion.

No it isn't. You can read all the books or watch all the vids you want. You don't become a great trial lawyer or brain surgeon until you get some practical application. After a point, football players don't learn by being on the bench. They learn by doing.

Man, Hoge really has something personal against Manziel.

If I were Manziel I'd hire a private investigator to dig up some dirt on the guy and make it public.

I'd also beat his ass if I ever came across him.

the only way hodge can make a name for himself is by ripping on a kid. Big tough guy he is.

Yeah, makes you wonder.

Why would he even say "cut him now" when our starting qb is out with concussion symptoms, and our 3rd string qb. has been with the team, what, a week?

I so want Manziel to prove everyone wrong.

I want to see this kid's competitive fire this Sunday.

Hoge is a douchebag, that is all.

I'd rather listen to Trent Dilfer..

Yeah I said it..

What were the Jags and Raiders records last year? And how did Bortles and Carr look Sunday? And they have an entire season under their belt, perhaps the the Jags and Raiders should cut bait as well. Manziel has just over 2 games of NFL play time. Play him this year, if nothing changes then cut bait. I can't stand to look at Hoge's stupid face.

'Mike Pettine: Browns will proceed as if Johnny Manziel is Week 2 starter'

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...FTAG=YHF7e3228e

By John Breech | CBSSports.com
September 14, 2015 5:29 pm ET

Johnny Manziel's first start of the 2015 season could come against a fellow Heisman Trophy winner.

Browns coach Mike Pettine said Monday that the team will proceed this week as if Manziel will be the starter for Cleveland's Week 2 game against Tennessee. However, that doesn't necessarily mean Manziel will start.

Pettine also said that Josh McCown could end up starting if he's cleared to play. McCown suffered a concussion late in the first quarter of the Browns' 31-10 loss to the Jets on Sunday.

"He's in the concussion protocol," Pettine told Cleveland.com when asked about McCown's status. "He was here [Monday] morning."

McCown was injured on a play where he tried to turn into a half-man, half-helicopter, a play that Pettine doesn't fault him for.

"If he had scored and we won the game, we would've carried him off the field -- in a good way," Pettine said.

As for Manziel, he got off to a hot start against the Jets, but overall, his performance was disappointing.

After throwing a 54-yard touchdown pass on his first series of the game, Johnny Football fell apart, turning the ball over three times in the second half.

Manziel's not sure if he'll start against the Titans, but he'll be ready either way.

"Obviously the second half leaves a little bit of a bitter taste in your mouth, but you know we'll see what happens throughout this next week, see what Josh's status is," Manziel said. "For me obviously going into this week right now, as far as I know, just be ready to go, get in with those guys and get a chance to mesh with them a little bit because obviously I haven't been with the ones a lot since training camp or since this week or anything like that."

If Manziel does start, Sunday's game will pit the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner against 2014 Heisman winner, Marcus Mariota.

If McCown starts, that will give the Browns a chance to take Merrill Hoge's advice. On Monday, the ESPN analyst said Cleveland needs to "cut him" and do so "immediately."




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Is it possible for us to give him a chance to learn on the field and develop, or do we have to already predict what he'll be after just 4+ games?

If I'm Johnny Manziel I have everything Merril Hoge has said on a loop on an Ipod, Iphone, TV, video, etc.

I let that be my motivation......not saying it'll work though.

I like that Manziel looked kinda pissed at the podium after the game. I thought if I could read minds he was really hoping for a full week of practice with the 1s and another start. I think he's a competitor and this team is in need of those. I think he wants to play this year. Last year he seemed like he could care less.

Added motivation going against Mariota as well.

No it's not.. Not even close

It was stated by whoever I responded to that the team seemed deflated or let down or something like that when Manziel came in and I just didn't see that. Hell, they went right down the field and scored...

Heres my thing about JFF vs McCown. McCown has been in the league for 13 years...he's the very definition of a journeyman. He's older, we know what he is..What he always has been. Not sure how much JFF can learn by watching him. Where McCown becomes an asset is on the headset, in the QB room, watching film, coaching after possessions.

I think we really need to look at this as JFF's rookie year, last year was pretty much a wash. This year he's made changes to his preparation, his social circle, and dedication. He knows he wants to do this. So he's going to take to coaching better, I truly think Hoyer was a hindrance last year and wanted no part in helping manziel because he thought he could start...which everyone in the NFL except him knew he couldn't. Now he has a willing teacher.

So instead of bouncing JFF in and out everytime McCown does something stupid and gets hurt, just keep Manziel in, let him take his licks and then you have a good sample at the end of the year to figure out what he is. He's not going to face a defense as tough as jets the rest of the year. So we should be able to provide a running game. If we can't, we need to trade some of this oline for oline that actually can open holes

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