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That's a very tough question for me to answer. I'm not in practice every day to know the gap between the two QB's. If I were, it would be an easy answer for me to make an educated opinion about. All I really have to base an opinion on is one drive by McCown.

On that drive I believe he was 4-4 and lead this team to a sustained drive. While I don't believe that's enough for me to base an opinion on, he seemed to have very good command of the offense.

What I do know is that this FO and coaching staff thought he was a good candidate to run this O. I know at this time they have more confidence in McCown.

Who really gives us the best chance to win now? I really have no idea.

Pettine's choice was McCown for 2015. Barring injury or a complete breakdown in McCown.... Pettine has to stick with his decisions as a HC in the NFL, or he need's to find another job.

Which QB do you think allows us to install a new offense more effectively?

Go for it, I'm sure you will find instances of things he could have done better, the open guy he missed here or there, that his left toe wasn't pointed directly AT the target when he was throwing a couple times, etc...

In the end, he has 4 fumbles, which has got to be fixed... other than that, he has a 99.7 rating, 10th in the NFL among guys with more than 10 attempts... ahead of guys like Romo, Carr, Foles, Bridgwater, and Ryan... well ahead of guys like Wilson, Eli, Brees, Bortles, Flacco, Peyton, Hoyer, Bradfor, Newton, and Luck...

So I doubt you are going to change my mind... but never say never.

He made great plays of both of the long TD passes. However he dropped back to throw 18 times during the game and made mistasks on nine of those, The two fumbles, the jump ball into double coverage. Missing open receivers, not going through his progressions, bad throws. Those things happen to QB's every game but not 50 percent of the time

DeFilippo was familiar with McCown from their year together in Oakland when DeFilippo was quarterbacks coach..

So you would think that McCown would be better to install a new system... And have JM sit back and learn..

You think they're going to be much better with McCown?

I've gone from "Bust!" last year to if he continues to stay clean & sober he's gonna be our guy. I just got a feeling.

That clean and sober comment is my worry.. I worry that if you put all the pressure of starting week in and week out on Manziel that he will fall off the wagon. Give him the time to get his house in order, be clean and sober for more than 6 months.. and ease him into the pressure cooker. If he falls off the wagon by taking on too much pressure too soon.. Everything is lost. Give the Kid a break...

Berea, Ohio (AP) -- Manziel calls Browns' switch back to McCown 'disappointing'

Johnny Manziel stood by waiting for Josh McCown to finish his interview session before it was his turn to address the Browns' decision to change quarterbacks.



Browns preparing to start Manziel; McCown has concussion The Associated Press
Manziel's first win complicates Browns quarterback situation The Associated Press

Manziel won't make his second straight start on Sunday, and his return to a backup role behind McCown stung deeply.

He's on hold again.

''It's obviously disappointing,'' Manziel said Wednesday. ''I'm not going to sit here and say that I love the decision.''

McCown was cleared from the NFL's concussion protocol Wednesday after missing one game and will start this week against Oakland, moving back ahead of Manziel, who threw two touchdown passes and led the Browns to a 28-14 win over Tennessee.

Browns coach Mike Pettine considered several factors before deciding to go back to McCown, who was injured while trying to dive into the end zone on Cleveland's opening drive this season.

But in weighing his options, Pettine reverted to the plan the team mapped out when McCown signed as a free agent in March.


''He's done everything we've asked of him in the offseason and so far this year,'' Pettine said. ''He'd earned the right to be our starting quarterback. We feel that he gives us the best opportunity to win on Sunday. That was truly the basis for the decision. There's a lot of exterior factors, but for coaches it's very bottom line.''

A strong argument can be made for both quarterbacks, but the Browns (1-1) feel the 36-year-old McCown is the better option - now. He has experience, deep knowledge of Cleveland's offense, the respect of his teammates and he performed well during a 17-play, 90-yard drive that unfortunately ended with him launching himself into the air and taking a helmet-to-helmet blow.

Manziel showed more progress and promise in his first career win. He energized his teammates and a very vocal segment of Browns fans who believe it's time to see if the 22-year-old can become the long-term answer for a franchise missing a franchise quarterback.

Pettine recognizes there's growing support for Manziel. But in a league where success is measured on the scoreboard, he's making the move he believes best serves the Browns.

''This was a positive thing for us, our second quarterback went in and played well,'' Pettine said. ''But there was a reason we started the season with Josh as the 1 and Johnny as the 2. That was our plan, and at this point we're not seeing a reason to deviate from it.''

In Sunday's win, Manziel connected with wide receiver Travis Benjamin on 50- and 60-yard touchdowns, showing the big-play ability that made him a college star. And while he'll have to wait to play again, Manziel, who went 0-2 as a starter last season, gained more confidence.


''I respect Coach Pett, and that's the guy that makes the calls for this team,'' Manziel said. ''I'm going to be a team player and do what I need to do from here on out and be ready if my number's called. I felt like I went out and did some good things. Our team needed a win, and I was the next guy up. We got the win.''

Despite his struggles as a rookie and a stint in rehab, Manziel said the Browns still have him trending toward being their full-time starter - one day.

''From everything that I've heard, whether our GM, our owner, that's still the case,'' he said.

McCown has empathy for Manziel. During 12 years as a pro, McCown has experienced the highs and lows of his position and understands Manziel's disappointment.

''I've been on both sides,'' he said. ''I've been the guy in front with a first-rounder waiting in the wings and people waiting on that guy to play and wanting that guy to play.

''And then, I've been in situations where I've been the guy everybody wants to play. As a competitor, we wouldn't be in our situations if he didn't want to play, so he wouldn't be here. I appreciate that.''

McCown was close to returning last week, but failed his baseline test and had to sit. He feels fortunate the league has guidelines in place to protect players because there was a time when he might have said, ''Let's go. Forget about the tests and everything else, let's do it?''

As for the play on which he got hurt, McCown said if he could do it over differently, he would.

However, his competitive nature has kept him in the league, helped him endure being traded, released and benched. It's no different when he sees the end zone.

''I think part of why I'm still around is because I don't give up easily,'' he said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-quar...04702--nfl.html

j/c:

I disagree w/this move. I am disappointed w/the the decision makers, but then again..........what's new?

Me too, but sooner or later Manziel will be back at the helm.

I don't feel as nearly as excited about the Browns knowing that he's not our starter anymore. Such is life sometimes. You can't always get what you want... But in time we will.

Pettine's choice was McCown for 2015. Barring injury or a complete breakdown in McCown.... Pettine has to stick with his decisions as a HC in the NFL, or he need's to find another job.

Speaking of which, have we started interviewing new head coaches yet?

j/c:

I disagree w/this move. I am disappointed w/the the decision makers, but then again..........what's new?

Speaking of which, have we started interviewing new head coaches yet?

I don't understand it at all.

Manziel showed he might just be special.

McCown is not special.

The move would have been to say McCown needs a little more time

I agree that McCown did not do anything to lose the job against the Jets.

Anyone who is using McCown's one drive against the Jets as a reason why he should still be the starter is doing so out of ignorance. There are hundreds of other drives in his career that show that he is a horrible QB.

The only reason McCown should be starting is that he gives the team a better chance to win in the short term because he knows the offense better and his teammates have more faith in him. I don't agree with this argument, but at least it makes sense.

Nice post, BT. We can always rely on you for a fresh, level-headed perspective.

My issue is that I don't think we are a Super Bowl contender or even a playoff team. I think it is important to see what JM can do.

GM...most never ask the question, what did the QB do wrong on the passes that were not complete?...good way to judge a QBs overall performance.

There is a good reason for Coaching staff's grading players, and a good reason why their grades differ from the average fans.

Anyone who is using McCown's one drive against the Jets as a reason why he should still be the starter is doing so out of ignorance. There are hundreds of other drives in his career that show that he is a horrible QB.

The only reason McCown should be starting is that he gives the team a better chance to win in the short term because he knows the offense better and his teammates have more faith in him. I don't agree with this argument, but at least it makes sense.