DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum How do YOU rate Joe Haden?

I like Joe. I do think he is one of the best DB's in the game. His bad games are bad, just like everyone else's. Talib is considered one the better DB's too and do recall Josh eating him up, so they all have bad games. What makes Joe's bad games more glaring is that we lose and other guys that have bad games, well, their teams find ways to overcome and win. Winning forgives a lot of mistakes.

^^ This

We seem to have everyone have a bad game on the same day. Sadly even seems week after week.

j/c

Joe is fine. He's been battling a hip/hamstring injury going into the game. Wasn't he questionable/probable on the injury report?

Marshall is a badass. But 62 yds and a TD is not beating the hell out of anyone.

Way too much over reacting on here going both directions.

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T. Williams = Tramon Williams, FYI.

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/647413730125463552

I think Williams has been playing well for us. Thus far, I'd even go as far to say he provides more for us than Buster did. Seems like he's another leader in the locker room too!

Williams has been our best corner

Speaking of Williams, I would LOVE to hear him compare Browns camp and Packers camp . . .

I would too, but I don't think he would ever make a public statement. He has been a fantastic fill in opposite of Joe.

Yeah, he's a true professional. Might be able to ask him on social media after he retires though

as a DB he probably prefers Browns camp. I mean, who would YOU rather go up against ... Aaron Rodgers or Josh McCown?!

I feel Joe Hayden is a good NFL player, not a great one. Cornerback is one of the toughest positions to play in professional sports when you consider you must defend a superior athlete on every play. I would rate Joe a 7 on a scale of 10.

not smart for me to answer this question right now

Me either. Opinion is lowered at this time.

Haden has been bad to start the season. He is still a good player though. He was always overpaid.

He's a notoriously slow starter...

I'm not sure why.

He always seems to play his best football when the team is playing poorly. (at the end of the year).

I hope he turns it around though, but right now he's certainly not a top 5 CB...

Haden seemed to play his best when he was amped up on Adderall.

He's a reactive player, not an instinctive player, who plays with zero technique. I'm not a professional so take that with a grain of salt, but watch Revis play and compare that to how Joe plays, and I think you'll see what I'm talking about.

My impression is he works very little on his craft. And if is working on his craft, he's working on the wrong things.

Please,
everyone here is asking if Haden is OK, but won't say anything about the lack of a pass rush?? How many sacks or even QB hurries does our front 7 have?? You cannot cover a receiver all day with no pass rush!!

The lack of a pass rush is a huge problem.

Haden is also overrated.

The two do not have to be intertwined.

Also, Whitner is one of the worst safeties I've ever seen right now.

Slowest DB in the league most likely

Rishuz,
A pass rush and the amount of time you can to cover someone are ALWAYS INTERTWINED!! Especially when we are playing pure man-to-man with only single safety help over the top!. Lack of pass rush gives the receivers more time to get open!

Receivers don't need a lot of time to get open on Haden. That's what I'm saying.

Teams actually pick on the guy and he's supposed to be one of the best.

Just curious, did you get this after reading Skrine's comments the other week? It's very similar to what he stated.

Joe isn't nearly as athletic and he can't use it to make up for the fact that he doesn't have any technique at all, slow hips, gets beat in bump coverage, falls for the double move constant..Joe is overrated because he's a nice guy, but he's not even top 10

and he starts slow

I think it depends on who his coach is. Under Horton he played at a very high level. Under Oneil he seems lost. Of course so does the entire defense. Mingo is a bust. We have no linebacking to speak of. ZERO pass rush today. Hard to play corner on an NPD. Two games now we've had zero sacks. We got a bunch last week and we won. Coincidence? I think not. Every QB in the league will beat our ass if we don't get in their face.

I don't think these guys know what they want to do on Defense. We run a base 4-3 a lot. Yet we didn't bother bringing in any 4-3 centric defensive ends.... We let Sheard walk.... I really don't get what they are trying to do on D. Almost looks like they are determined to seldom if ever rush more than 4. Well, that can be done IF you have a BAD ASS 4 man line. But you better have some stud DE's. Guys that will get you double digit sacks. And we don't have any of those guys. Kruger playing with his hand down does not make him Deacon Jones.

Question on this. Is Haden in good position most of the time and is just beat by better throws [or height difference] or is he flat out beat due to being out of position? Only 1 of these can be fixed...

I think his reputation kept QBs from looking his way, but they've figured him out. He's good, not great. He's not quick or fast enough to contain speedy/shifty receivers, and he's very susceptible to the big play...especially in the 4th quarter...constantly losing his balance or biting on the double move.

Just clicking, not replying to you.

I said this on a thread in the Gameday forum. If you took someone who didn't know the players and had them watch Haden v Cooper, more often than not they would guess Joe was the rookie.

Joe is playing like a bottom end corner. He's quickly becoming the goto corner when teams need yards or to convert 3rd down.

He just cannot handle elite WRs. Against Raiders, I think Jimmy scraped his entire game plan because of Joe's inability to cover. We were a zone team mostly.

Iove Haden and all, but damn he's playing like crap and getting paid like a king for it.

He is a good CB. Brandon overpowers a lot of CB's. He has always had problems covering shifty or super agile receivers. It's his one major weakness.

Yup. The big striders has always been his bread-n-butter. The quick shifty ones lose him (and most everyone) too easily and he has to play catch-up.

I would have thought that we would have tried to put him on one of their other guys, but it seems like this young WR they have is just going to abuse most DB's.

Amari is going to be one of the greats at WR. His hips are so fluid it's just sick.

Yep, Antonio Brown come to mind?

last year it took him 5 games to get going.

Can we add missing tackles to the list. No jam, and he is falling and slipping more than I care to see.

Certainly needs to improve. Rush would help mightily.

Hard to fault a guy for slipping.

Technique... Haden has loosened his technique to make up for not being able to jam or stall, in any way, a WR coming off the line. I'm not a Pro or a coach, just opinion here, but I thought this was why Haden is so good at defending AJ Green, because AJ hates being jammed and has a hard time recovering to run his route.

Joe getting beat up at the line this season, and looks like a high schooler trying to recover. All JMO.

The play I was thinking about was when Cooper caught a ball and then Haden whiffed on the tackle (because of a slip) that allowed many more yards.