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Haven't read through any of the thread yet, but I love the signing/extension.
I said it before and I'll say it again, Austin Davis is the best QB currently on our roster. Now I'm not saying he's going to be a successful, playoff-caliber NFL QB and I would still expect to draft another QB next year, but he's still the only "keeper" in the bunch.
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vers...do you know who Bill Kuharich is?
Obviously you don't... Speaking of reading comprehension..... mac, what does your post have to do w/my post? I never once said anything about him being inept. What the hell is your point, other than to just be contrary?
#1 I am wondering about something, though:
If you were in the league office, would you be suspicious of all the moves the Browns are making while Farmer is suspended? Would you wonder if Farmer was actually following the terms of his suspension?
I really hope we don't read about the NFL busting Farmer again. I'm pretty tired of all the negative news we make.
#2 What I do find odd is that we are making moves like this while our GM is suspended.
There are probably more explanations and I would love to hear them, but I think the timing of this signing, as well as Pryor being cut, have two plausible [not possible, but plausible] explanations:
1. Farmer is disobeying league rules and is working during his suspension. Some have explained [and they could very well be right] that the NFL will look the other way. If Farmer is indeed still working, it tells me that he did not learn a damn thing from the texting fiasco and that he still will interfere when he should not be interfering. And Lord, if does get caught........I really don't want to see another headline of a Brown's employee being nailed for misconduct.
Bill Kuharich worked as a GM in the NFL and now is listed as the #2 guy in personnel is fully qualified to make the moves the Browns have been making since Farmer suspension started.
IMO, your argument that Farmer must be violating his suspension fails to recognize that the Browns are fully qualified to operate without Farmer.
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mac, are you deliberately trying to deceive people by only quoting part of my post? Here is what I wrote [please notice there are two explanations] I don't think the Browns were stupid to sign Davis to an extension. I don't think that his signing means we are going to trade Manziel or cut McCown.
What I do find odd is that we are making moves like this while our GM is suspended.
There are probably more explanations and I would love to hear them, but I think the timing of this signing, as well as Pryor being cut, have two plausible [not possible, but plausible] explanations:
1. Farmer is disobeying league rules and is working during his suspension. Some have explained [and they could very well be right] that the NFL will look the other way. If Farmer is indeed still working, it tells me that he did not learn a damn thing from the texting fiasco and that he still will interfere when he should not be interfering. And Lord, if does get caught........I really don't want to see another headline of a Brown's employee being nailed for misconduct.
2. Pet said that there are other people in the building who can handle the GM's responsibilities. This troubles me. The suspension was only for four weeks, right? Isn't this the fourth week? I'm asking...not telling. Was it really an emergency signing? Did we really HAVE to have this guy signed RIGHT NOW? If I were Farmer, I might be a bit miffed that these moves were taking place while I was out of the office and perplexed by Pet's comments about there are other capable guys in the building.
Once again, either way you look at it.....it probably is not going to end well. I am not saying it was a bad move to give Davis the extension [I really don't know much about the guy.] What I am saying is that timing of this move tells me things are not right in Berea-----again.
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I think mac is confusing two completely different thoughts.
Do we have a guy that is qualified to run things while Farmer is out vs. Does it seem odd that there is so much activity while our GM is suspended.
One does not have anything to do with the other.
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That could be.
I thought he was deliberately misconstruing my meaning. Hopefully, you are right.
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mac, are you deliberately trying to deceive people by only quoting part of my post? Here is what I wrote [please notice there are two explanations]
My entire point is there was no need for the or Farmer to risk violating the suspension because they already had a guy who was more than qualified to make those moves.Your #1 quote, that I posted.. Quote:
I am wondering about something, though:
If you were in the league office, would you be suspicious of all the moves the Browns are making while Farmer is suspended? Would you wonder if Farmer was actually following the terms of his suspension?
I really hope we don't read about the NFL busting Farmer again. I'm pretty tired of all the negative news we make.
You fail to recognize that there is no need for Farmer or the Browns to violate the suspension.
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i dont really care if farmer is violating the suspension or not. just thought it was weird the guy got a new contract after less than 4 weeks of being on the team. but like purp said could be the answer.
As for getting a new deal so soon - I would not be surprised if the initial contract was just to get him in here fast with the knowledge up front that they'd immediately begin to work a longer term deal. With how quickly he was signed here after being released, that makes sense to me.
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I think mac is confusing two completely different thoughts.
Do we have a guy that is qualified to run things while Farmer is out vs. Does it seem odd that there is so much activity while our GM is suspended.
One does not have anything to do with the other.
To leap to the conclusion that Farmer must be violating his suspension if the Browns are making these personnel moves, shows a lack of knowledge concerning the makeup of the Browns personnel department.
The Browns do have one individual who is more than qualified to make these moves..Kuharich!
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I happen to think there is a very low probability that Farmer has violated his suspension.
I also find it odd the amount of activity that has gone on while Farmer is gone, but I don't think it has anything to do with him violating his suspension.
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I happen to think there is a very low probability that Farmer has violated his suspension.
I also find it odd the amount of activity that has gone on while Farmer is gone, but I don't think it has anything to do with him violating his suspension. My boss lives in the development in Strongsville that Ray lives, he said he saw him and his son out playing with RC cars lol Saturday before the Oakland game. I told him to keep an eye open for For Sale signs lol!
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I happen to think there is a very low probability that Farmer has violated his suspension.
I also find it odd the amount of activity that has gone on while Farmer is gone, but I don't think it has anything to do with him violating his suspension. Technology being what it is today, a couple of burner phones and spoofed emails is all it would take for him to violate his suspension and be involved with these moves Not saying he is, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear it later.
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I think Farmer is enjoying a vacation. Most of his work was already done and he left a guy he could trust in place. I think everyone is really over thinking things. I am willing to bet he left a long list of possible trade or signings he would approve of. It's not like he can't cut anyone we sign when he gets back anyways. just weird that it could not wait until he came back. isnt like we did not have the guy under contract for 660.000 untill the end of the year. what was the hurry all of the sudden? He probably owed Farmer money and before Farmer gets the axe he wanted to make sure he'd get his cash from our deadbeat 3rd stringer. /purple Well, it's certainly preferable to a locker room confrontation where he gets his jaw broken....
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I think mac is confusing two completely different thoughts.
Do we have a guy that is qualified to run things while Farmer is out vs. Does it seem odd that there is so much activity while our GM is suspended.
One does not have anything to do with the other.
To leap to the conclusion that Farmer must be violating his suspension if the Browns are making these personnel moves, shows a lack of knowledge concerning the makeup of the Browns personnel department.
The Browns do have one individual who is more than qualified to make these moves..Kuharich! I'm picking up what you're laying down! We're talking about a THIRD string QB here guys! It's not like some HoF prospect just came up for grabs. Is this really "a lot" of moves the first 3 weeks? Compared to other teams? I don't know. But let's also look back at "the plan". McCown was signed to what, a 2 yr deal? While I don't think it was ever really explicitly laid out, I think the consensus was that McCown coming here would serve 2 purposes: 1) be a mentor for Manziel and 2) provide a stable vet presence in implementing Flip's system. To me it seems reasonable that the plan would be to let Manziel do what he was supposed to do his rookie season, then ideally, he takes over the reigns in 2016, with McCown then as the backup. I think signing Austin just shores up the back end of the position. If they've liked him that much for this long, had we signed him when they first tried, Shaw probably isn't on the roster at this point anyway.
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Amazing. mac completely misconstrued my point and made a fool of himself and you are agreeing w/him?
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There is only one fool in this discussion and here is a hint..it is not me!  
The Browns have a guy backing up Farmer that has a lot of experience in personnel department and as a GM..and he is fully capable of making the personnel moves that have been made since Farmer started his suspension.
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Amazing. mac completely misconstrued my point and made a fool of himself and you are agreeing w/him?  Do you even read what you write? You put forth the idea that Farmer was violating the terms of his suspension. Mac laid out a very reasonable and logical case as to why it wouldn't be worth it for Farmer to do such a thing. He also laid out why the team wouldn't need to do such a thing either. I don't see how this makes him a fool?
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Davis is a better QB than McCown ... JMHO
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Davis is a better QB than McCown ... JMHO I don't even remember watching Davis play (I'm positive I've seen him) ... but I'd agree. McCown shouldn't play another snap. Either let Johnny try to do it or see what we'd have in Davis.
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I watched him play for the Rams and was impressed, and when we signed him I wasn't disappointed ... 
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Hopefully this means we won't be going after Cardale Jones or Connor Cook next draft
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When we do go after a QB I hope it's one of these, Travis Wilson Utah, Brandon Doughty WKU, Jared Goff CAL, Dak Prescott Miss St.
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Hopefully this means we won't be going after Cardale Jones or Connor Cook next draft I might be the biggest Austin Davis pimp on this board. To this day I think he's our best QB, but this is crazy. No way does signing a (currently) 3rd string QB when your top 2 QB's are a never-was and a never-will-be, mean we SHOULDN'T go after a top QB in the draft next year. It's EXACTLY what it means. In a perfect world our QB roster next year is Davis/Rookie/McCown (as an inactive mentor) IMO. That being said I think Cardale Jones sucks and I'm not sold on Goff (he throws a really loose fluttering ball which makes me worry about technique and/or arm strength) either.
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