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Daman...you are right...and I'm not so sure how wrong your dad was about Gilliam it was an era still where Black QBs were not an accepted option. Thank goodness times have changed.

Yeah.. I mean.. It's obviously MCowns fault the defense can't pressure a backup offensive line..

Not sure about your entire post, but I agree something is going on between Pettine and Manziel. In addition to that, whenever they showed McCown yesterday, it was Davis by his side. I never saw Manziel with the QBs.

I think Davis is their long-term plan. LOL. Why not? He's started some games. He must be good!

Not sure about your entire post, but I agree something is going on between Pettine and Manziel. In addition to that, whenever they showed McCown yesterday, it was Davis by his side. I never saw Manziel with the QBs.

I think Davis is their long-term plan. LOL. Why not? He's started some games. He must be good!

So uh, welcome back Ray Farmer. Some people think this guy is getting his walking papers today.

Everyone outside of Cleveland knows the only reason Manziel is not playing is because our HC has an axe to grind with the poor young man.

Evberybody outside of Cleveland knows more than you which is zero, zilch, nothing

Not sure about your entire post, but I agree something is going on between Pettine and Manziel. In addition to that, whenever they showed McCown yesterday, it was Davis by his side. I never saw Manziel with the QBs.

I think Davis is their long-term plan. LOL. Why not? He's started some games. He must be good!

I looked out for this at the game. Manziel was with the QBs when the offense was not on the field.

Also, Manziel took snaps with Mack before the game during warmups.

another childish comment. pfft why am i not surprised? what are you? like 6 years old.

When somebody makes up lies on the board I am going to call them on it. If you don't like it tuff.

Evberybody outside of Cleveland knows more than you which is zero, zilch, nothing

Evberybody outside of Cleveland knows more than you which is zero, zilch, nothing

Cleveland Browns RUMORS: Pettine Wanted Johnny Manziel Gone; Haslam, Farmer Believe He Can Be Salvaged?

"It was Pettine who was ready to move on from Manziel when he entered rehab, one league source told Yahoo Sports. Another league source said that three others - Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, general manager Ray Farmer and offensive coordinator John DeFilippo - still believe Manziel can be salvaged. At the very least, DeFilippo has made several positive public comments about Manziel since he returned to the team a little over two weeks ago," reports Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports.



http://www.hngn.com/articles/92424/20150...be-salvaged.htm

Everyone outside of Cleveland knows the only reason Manziel is not playing is because our HC has an axe to grind with the poor young man.

not a lie. its a opinion.

You obviously meant:

When somebody you don't agree with makes up lies, you are going to call them on it.

Wow, that's an abrasive reply.

Bull, that is a lie. Plain and simple

Yup, I make up lies when my friends in Cali, New York, Chicago, and New Orleans are all saying and asking me the same thing which is:

"Why isn't Manziel playing? your coach must really not like that guy,

Thats the perception outside of Cleveland, but keep telling yourself other wise.

Making up lies? Your delusional. I never made any such claims that warrant a burden of proof, i simply told you what my friends outside the state of ohio tell me.

I really think the losing is getting to your head. I find it comical that you take it so personally.

It was well documented and known in league circles and the national media that Pettine wanted to cut Manziel and Farmer and our owner told him to no way....You can tell by the body language and everything else that Pettine has an axe to grind...he don't like Manziel plain and simple.

Our owner will have to man up at the end of the year and fire Pettine and bring in a coach that will be willing to work with Manziel and will actually play him because its obvious Pettine won't and it don't take a genius to figure out what that reason is

Notice how Manziel and Pettine hardly talk or even look at each other after the TMZ leak....its obvious...not only does part of the lockeroom want Johnny, but Pettine blames Manziel for the drama when its Pettine standing in the way of the teams best chance to win.

So your childish comments just hurt your position and your credibility, please continue saying them...i need a good chuckle in the morning, the fact you take it so personally is icing on the cake!

so you are saying the way johnny was last year in no way could have ant effect on the way pettine thinks of him? absurd. it was a opinion based on fact.

Everyone outside of Cleveland knows the only reason Manziel is not playing is because our HC has an axe to grind with the poor young man.

Yes Johnny made mistakes, he has proven he is on track to attone for those mistakes,he is the most talented QB on our roster and the only one with a win, the only one who made 2 big time plays in the clutch to win, and he languishes on the bench because of our Head Coach.

Watch them on the sidelines, the body language, Manziel barely looks at him and they rarely even talk, you can see clear discomfort in both Pettine and Manziel when they are forced to talk to each other.

The good news is now that Farmer is back, it won't be long before Manziel is in to play, McCown was never Farmer's longterm plan, and JM is ahead of schedule and im sure he was livid when Manziel looked like a franchise QB in the clutch to win a game and was bench for the dink and dunk master.

Name me 1 Qb since the 1980's that done what Manziel done against the Titans how he rolled left, created a broken play and then launched the ball on a rope down the field right on target for a big time TD to seal the game...you won't find one since Sipe or Kosar...thats whats sitting on the bench while we lose...

I know one thing, as long as McCown plays we don't have a prayer of even a .500 record let alone a winning one...McCown missed 2 plays yesterday that would have been sure TD, throws JM makes, throws that give the browns a 10 point lead yesterday instead of a 3 point loss....stats do nothing but lie...good QB play can mask weakness elsewhere, Manziel play proved he can mask and in part make up for some of our weakness, McCown can't and thats why we will win very few if any games with him.

I told my buddy after they decided to go back to McCown to enjoy that win, if may be the last one for quite awhile, and we lost two back to back games against two pathetic teams all while sitting on a QB that wins 1 or probably both of them, we could easily be 2-2 or 3-1 with Manziel....

This decision alone from our pigheaded coach makes me hope he is fired at years end...the guy cleary puts his own personal issues with Manziel head of whats best for the team, and Jimmy will be forced to deal with it soon.

Since we talking about Manziel now, here's a bit I just read from the Cleveland Browns Mailbag:


"Over the past two games, McCown is 60-of-90 for 697 yards, four touchdowns and one interception. His quarterback rating is 100.1 and he’s one of just four quarterbacks in Browns history to throw for 300 yards in consecutive games. Simply put, the Browns can’t ask for much more than McCown’s provided in these last two games."



So, perhaps the reason Manziel is sitting is because McCown isn't losing the games and Manziel still has stuff to learn?

So, unless Manziel is going to start covering WR's for Joe Haden, I think perhaps he is right where he needs to be.

So, perhaps the reason Manziel is sitting is because McCown isn't losing the games and Manziel still has stuff to learn?

"Over the past two games, McCown is 60-of-90 for 697 yards, four touchdowns and one interception. His quarterback rating is 100.1 and he’s one of just four quarterbacks in Browns history to throw for 300 yards in consecutive games. Simply put, the Browns can’t ask for much more than McCown’s provided in these last two games."

Since we talking about Manziel now, here's a bit I just read from the Cleveland Browns Mailbag:

"Over the past two games, McCown is 60-of-90 for 697 yards, four touchdowns and one interception. His quarterback rating is 100.1 and he’s one of just four quarterbacks in Browns history to throw for 300 yards in consecutive games. Simply put, the Browns can’t ask for much more than McCown’s provided in these last two games."

So, perhaps the reason Manziel is sitting is because McCown isn't losing the games and Manziel still has stuff to learn?