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Vers, Nick is a great coach. I simply think he'll never like the new NFL. He is a throwback. Saban would not enjoy himself, at his age, as he does in Alabama. Do you really think Saban leaves Alabama? Give up god like status to coach the Browns? Would you believe Saban switching to the NFL for a pot of gold? It'll take a pot of gold too. Personally, I think Saban rides the Bama train until he can't. He may use Halsam to get a raise!

I didn't call you dumb. I said this board is dumb. And it is.

Whatever man...........you can take over the thread and I'll get off of it.

j/c:

Not sure where this goes......

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Why would any major college coach want to leave the relative security of college for the pro's? It's not like they are living in poverty at the college level...

I neither want to know nor need to know. We simply must recognize that it exists. Our scouting dept (as a whole; not just Farmer) must do a more thorough job in checking these guys out prior to the draft...

There were plenty of fired coaches that didn't make your list. How did you come up with the list? Why wouldn't the records of those coaches make a difference?

lets say pettine wanted him right. is it not the job of the gm to make sure it is a good pick?

i have grown so frustrated watching this staff that I no longer care if we completely clean house. The team comes out flat with no energy or they come out hot and dont show up for the 2nd half.

The only 2 players that seem to give a damn are the QBs. How the hell do you take over a team with 6 probowlers and look so freaking incompetent.

Pet appears totally defeated in his pressers. Farmer hides from the camera as bad as Lombardi. Oneil says the problem on defense isnt the players and isnt the scheme so that onlyleaves coaching and i am starting to agree with that.

This entire FO and Coaching staff is considered a joke not just locally but nationally as well. This team is no where near as competitive as it was even under Shurmur. The trade rumors before the game, was just the stuff that really ticked me off as well. If you want to trade someone then trade them, you dont dangle peoples lives like that.

As much as I hate to agree with you Mour, I do. I'm also to the point where I really want to blow it all up and start over.. I don't care if it means starting over, were not going anywhere as it is, so why not? The more I watch the more I'm certain this ain't it.

I have to admit, I'm coming around to that way of thinking.

I agree with your post except for the Shurmur part.

That was the worst I think the Browns have ever been. 2011 Shurmur Battlers scored 218 points all season. Through 9 games we have 177, on a pace for ~315 points scored on the year. That Shurmur squad was nigh unwatchable.

clock management cost us 2 or 3 games this year.

I dont think they understand momentum and critical moments. 4th and 2 vs the rams across mid field, we puntwith not a lot of time left. 4thand an inch when Johnny was ruled down after that big run and we have a chance to break the bengals momentum and we punt.

Player usage. Armonty covering Marvin Jones still sticks in my brain but thats not the only one.

Inability to stop the run in Buffalo and in his 2 years here. My goodness we are pretty stout in the middle but anything that goes inside out and its a 12 yard min game.

I swear at times, it feels like it pisses this staff off when we do make a play. Johsnon tears it up the first half and doesnt get a single rep in the 2nd half? lol

The thing that finally lost me was continuing to send McCown out there when he was in no condition to be playing.

I dont have respect for this coach and Farmer hiding is not what i want from a GM.

Trying to block Khalil Mack with Gary Barnidge.

Playing Cam Erving out of position the entire off-season.

Playing Bademosi on Fitzgerald in the redzone.

Dropping Kruger into coverage over and over.

Playing Josh McCown over Johnny Manziel when the season is clearly over.

Duke Johnson not touching the ball when he is our best playmaker.

Anything Malcolm Johnson does.

Throwing a toss to a between-the-tackles RB when you are in FG range in a tight game in the 4th quarter.

Continuing to put Kruger on the field in critical 3rd down passing situations when he's proven he is useless at that this year.

Please stop! Your killing me

I know you have probably forgotten more football than I'll ever know, but I wonder, could this be the year they decided to tank? Or could it be just Yes they are that dense?

We've read many times that to get Saban, you would have to get his wife. If his wife doesn't sign off on it -- aint happening.

It was reported that Jim "The Spaz" (not my term) Harbaugh didn't come here because his wife nixed it. It was a story and it was never refuted.

Think of how cheap it would have been for Jimmy to offer him the moon and avoid the current disaster. Whatever cost it would have taken would have been a very good business deal. If it was me, I would have flown to Frisco, drove up to his house, and offered his wife a private lear jet, with a 24/7 available pilot. There are a lot of negatives that would have to be overcome to bring in a top guy. I would have begged her to reconsider. Not sure how much effort Haslam put into it, but there one thing I know:

Gamechanging opportunities only come on rare occasions. They often come when we least expect em and are often not ready for them. When we let them pass without recognizing them...

Ol cliché: You Snooze, You Lose

This.

And so are we.

To answer the question: How many wins does Mike Pettine need to keep his job?

-I guess not that many? lol!

From August:

Jimmy Haslam won't 'blow things up' if Browns have losing record

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/133597...5-losing-season

8/1/2015 - NFL CLEVELAND BROWNS

Pat McManamon, ESPN Staff Writer

BEREA, Ohio -- The hot seat cooled off considerably in Cleveland on Saturday.

Browns owner Jimmy Haslam said that the team's win-loss record in 2015 will not affect the future of coach Mike Pettine and general manager Ray Farmer.

"We're not going to blow things up, OK?" Haslam said Saturday after the Browns' third practice of training camp. "I think we're on the right track, so we're not going to blow things up.

"[I] Understand why people might ask that after a couple bumps in the road the first couple years. I think we're putting in place a good foundation."

Haslam stood solidly behind Pettine and Farmer, calling them quality people, smart and hard-working. The statement is significant given Haslam replaced coach Rob Chudzinski, GM Mike Lombardi and CEO Joe Banner after one season.

"I think we got the right people in place to over a period of time be successful here," Haslam said.

The Browns went 7-9 last season in Pettine's first year as a head coach and Farmer's first year as a GM. But despite a three-win improvement from the previous year, Cleveland's 2014 season ended in disappointing fashion, as the Browns lost their last five games to fall out of postseason contention.

"If I had said at this time last year we were going to be 7-9, you all would have said, 'That's pretty good,'" Haslam said. "The problem is we lost our last five. We get that."

Pettine faced intense scrutiny throughout the season for his handling of rookie Johnny Manziel and the team's quarterback situation.

The Browns got off to a 7-4 start with veteran Brian Hoyer as their starter. But Hoyer threw five interceptions over a two-game stretch in November, prompting Pettine to turn to Manziel, who struggled in his brief audition as a starter before suffering an injury in Week 16.

Manziel, who currently is competing as the Browns' backup behind Josh McCown, spent 10 weeks in a treatment facility after the 2014 season.

"I think we're pleased that Johnny did the things he should do in the offseason," Haslam said. "It was a great improvement over his first year, but anything less would have been totally unacceptable. So he's working hard.

"But playing pro football, you have to be a pro, particularly playing the position he does. So he's got to work hard every day on and off the field. He's making progress, but he's got a long way to go. But we're obviously pleased with the offseason."

Haslam would not, though, say the team has to know what it has in Manziel by the end of this season.

"He's barely 22 years old," Haslam said. "He's still young. So I think over the next couple of years we've got to see if Johnny can be a legitimate quarterback or not.

"I don't want to put too much pressure on him or our coaches and say it has to happen this year."

Farmer has been suspended for the first four games of the 2015 season for sending texts to team sideline personnel during games last season.

Farmer sent text messages throughout most of the season, a source close to the situation told ESPN. The texts took place during multiple games and continued at least until Manziel got his first start in Week 15.

The texts did not necessarily deal with strategy, but with issues related to quarterback play, second-guessing of play calls and use of personnel -- especially the quarterback. The individual on the sideline was expected to relay Farmer's information/requests to the coaching staff.

"I think" does not mean "I know." Things have changed since August 1st. Mainly, the team is terrible and will win four games (at most).

It IS terrible, isn't it? Year in and year out. And I thought we were overdue for another 10 & 6 season, but once again, no go (sighs).

I was one of the "pessimistic" ones who said 4-12.

At the beginning of the season I was going to guess 5 & 11, but it actually makes me feel better if I stay optimistic - even though I know I'm probably just lying to myself - and think we can do better. I didn't even post because of that reason and even in our weekly prediction threads I usually don't post, for the same reason. It just bums me out to post we'll probably lose, before a game.

Good God, this team is just like a bad drug addiction I cannot quit.

Exactly my prediction. Turns out we were optimistic as well.

Sad when Butch and Crennel have been our longest tenured HC since 99.

"Who is going to be your breakout star this season?"

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I'll say...

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Joel Bitonio."

"Bitonio?! Your breakout star is... a guard?"

Also our most successful.
They are the coaches for our only two winning seasons, one of which being our only appearance in the playoffs.
They are also our only coaches since the return to get a 3rd season.
They have our highest win percentage of any coaches since Belichick at .414 and .375 (Pett is in 3rd with .360).

We haven't had a head coach with a winning (above .500) record since Shottenheimer was canned in 1988. Belichick had a .450 record.... the last coach prior to the move to have a 3rd season (also the only one post-Shotty/pre-Move), who also had a winning record in at least one season (and went to the playoffs and even won a game there). EVERY coach that has gotten at least a 3rd season has had a winning record in at least one season and of those only Romeo didn't get into the playoffs (which he missed on tie breakers).

So, we kinda have a long standing history and tradition of losing and mediocrity.... but it speaks volumes about giving coaches time to get things established.

Speaking of giving coaches time...do you think Pet should get another year? Farmer? I know thats a hard question.

Pett? Yes.
Farmer? I'm not as sure on that one.

Getting the bean counters out of football operations, though? That is Priority number-freaking-1.

And this is my entire point. It's one thing to break even for a couple of years. It's one thing if you are adding talent to help build a foundation for the future. It's one thing if you see even incremental progress moving forward. But that's not what we're seeing here.

We're seeing the same poor clock management. The same poor discipline game after game. A year and a half of the failure to keep outside containment against the run. It's the exact same mistakes over and over again. Letting our guys go while bringing FA's that are supposed to fit the scheme better, for improvement. And still there is no improvement.

I see no real plan at the QB position. No improvement on the D. We're 2-7 with the pattern going backwards and not forwards. So far I haven't seen this coaching staff flip a coin over who starts at QB, otherwise, they're certainly as bad or worse than those who came before them.

I've seen arch try to claim that sticking with total failure is the answer. Yet I'd bet money if someone who worked for him kept doing worse for a year and a half, he'd find their replacement.

With all of Haslam's money, I'm sure he could entice someone here that brought some experience. Yes he may have to give them control and a wad of cash. But if he wants to fix this, that's his only choice at this juncture.

Forget wins.

What would Mike Pettine have to do in order to regain your trust and confidence?

Play Manziel, play Gilbert, and maybe even bench Mack to play Erving.

(I like Mack and think he is good. He is clearly moving on in the off-season.)

As the HC.. winning is everything...

I would like to see this team beat Cinnci at Home..

The Ravens again on Monday Night..

And beat the Steelers this Sunday in Pittsburgh and again at Home Jan 3rd..

Oh and while were at it winning...Might as well whomp the 49ers..

Yep...that's it... Not asking to much is it ?

Hopefully this dolt is fired after the bye week.

Exactly. I wouldn't hold Haslams feet to the fire over that quote. I think he, as well as most around here expected to see improvements over last season.

When he said that, he couldn't have been expected to see that the downward sprial of last season would continue this season.


Jimmy Haslam isn't the problem around this team.

Given how much of last season's record was because of a cupcake schedule, I'm not sure why people's expectations would be higher for this year.

For me, showing improvement is more along the lines of improving play on both sides of the ball, and looking like the coaches and players know what they are doing. Right now we do have that. It looks to me like the team has regressed.