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"Favre, Elway are truely the only exceptions and they both were ACCURATE AS HELL ... just made QUESTIONABLE DECISIONS ... and if u look at Elway .. he ACHIEVED TEAM SUCCESS when he quit being a gun slinger and making bad decisions ."

Well if you are talking about Dumb (Brains) and exceptions - don't leave out Bradshaw as an exception...and we are talking about 3 exceptions that have won a heck of a lot of Championships.

"then theirs the coveted FAILURES .... Leaf, Smith, Klingler, Boller, Dilfer, Shuler, Leftwich and again the list goes on and on ."

Of course conveniently leave out Archie Manning. Leave out Dan Pastorini - Who I think were two of the most Talented QBs I have ever seen play the game...both had Accuracy and Brains - according to you they should have been perrenial Playoff QBs...according to me they were wasted cause they just didn't have the talent to support them as coincidently the other QBs you got listed there.

Look at Jim Plunkett - with no talent and with? Of course with a Bottle of booze and then without...but a lot of great QBs boozed it up as well. Including Joe Willie, Stabler, Bobby Lane (Detroit???)

So I'm sorry the coincidence is too telling - The good news is our Boy (and noticed I said OUR looks to be having that much needed support to be a success - according to my theory )

Funny thing is we just both used Archie and Plunkett as supporters of our theories but I don't have a clue why you would think it remotely supports your view and not mine...if anything it has to be exactly what I'm saying.

"and Jim Plunkett was HORRIBLE in NE with a bad supporting cast but he was still a GOOD QB as proven when he went to the Faiders and won 2 SB's ."

Do you read what you write...lol You basically Proven my case - Thank you Very Much

Anyways good thread but I'm still right


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PLEASE dont respond to it ... they showed they have no dignity or class and couldnt' stay out of a thread they weren't wanted .. well i expected them to exhibit no class ... that is why i asked for FOLKS WITH CLASS like yourself not to respond to them ..

this thread has been about 90% football talk and about 10% agende driven BS .. and alot of that has to do with the lack of participation from the classless ones ...

U seem to be a really good guy and your participation is hoped for on this thread just PLEASE don't feed the trolls anymore ...

Thanks ....

tabber u know .. sometimes i wonder if we speak the same language ... *L* ..

NO ONE in any TEAM SPORT has EVER won WITHOUT A GOOD SUPPORTING CAST .... but regardless of SUPPORTING CAST Jordan was still a GREAT PLAYER .. he just COULDN'T WIN till he had a VERY GOOD SUPPORTING CAST ....

the best example of this is prolly Chmaberlain v Russell ... no doubt Wilt was MUCH MUCH BETTER .. but Russell won all the titles ... why?? SUPPORTING CAST ...

just like at QB ... SUPPORTING CAST gives them a chance to WIN .. but it doesnt' change there skill set and make them good QB's ... see Dilfer ...

I gotta run ... or there would be more ..

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"the best example of this is prolly Chmaberlain v Russell ... no doubt Wilt was MUCH MUCH BETTER .. but Russell won all the titles ... why??

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This is a great thread. I haven't been on for a little while so I just opened it but it's great to see some real football talk for a change.

Whether your new to the game or been watching and playing your whole life there is definitely something you can learn in this thread.

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Sorry. To be honest I was just bumping the thread. So much good info that I didn't want it to die yet.


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Adkins: It's More than Mechanics


Brady Quinn By Lane Adkins

Posted Jun 4, 2007

Brady Quinn somehow went from a Top Five draft pick to the lower third of the draft. Part of the reason, we're led to believe, is concern over his "mechanics", which led some NFL teams to pass. Save it for Lane Adkins to help put things in perspective as Gary Danielson, Bernie Kosar, and Charlie Weis discuss the over-analysis of a quarterback...


The path to the National Football League is not a simple avenue to travel. Young men coming out of college face numerous obstacles before ever putting on a professional uniform. Players remain judged on talent and ability, but there is so much more involved in today’s NFL.

Rookie quarterback, Brady Quinn received a hefty portion of pre-draft scrutiny, as did many of the young men heading into the National Football League.

A while back, former professional quarterback Gary Danielson (Detroit Lions and Cleveland Browns) offered some thoughts on the college players of today compared to players when he was entering the NFL. Danielson, a college football analyst for CBS, has the opportunity to see many of the best prospects in the country.

“Back when I was coming out of college (Purdue – 1973) things were done quite differently. The television exposure of today did not exist -what happened on game-day and what scouts believed were the keys to a player(s) place in the draft,” said Gary Danielson.

In 2007, when detailed information is just a keystroke away, college players are evaluated to wits-end. In most cases, college players are over-analyzed, not only by professional football teams, but also by the so-called experts, draft evaluators, and self-proclaimed ‘insiders’.

Football remains a game, but the NFL is big business. Missing on a player evaluation can cost a team millions of dollars, along with the probability of failure on the field, if the organization is incorrect in the player assessment area.

“Today, just as it was twenty, thirty years ago, the quarterback position remains the toughest position to fill. This is the one player that will or could impact every offensive play you run,” Danielson continued. “Over the years, these young men coming out of college are scrutinized beyond belief. Whether it is in their personal life to how they throw the football, there is an evaluator looking at them and judging how or what they are doing correctly/incorrectly. The process before the game has become very analytical and at times too much so.

"I can tell you a little about the quarterback position, having played. Every player to play the position is different. There are things you like to see in the player, but the position is about strengths and weaknesses. The bottom line is getting a player in a position to become successful.”

In Cleveland, finding the right quarterback has been an ongoing issue since the team returned to the playing field in 1999. From Tim Couch to Charlie Frye and all in-between, the Browns’ have struggled to find a leader. The problem finding a franchise-type quarterback Cleveland has been attributed to a lack of overall talent on the team, as much as the quarterbacks themselves being of below average talent.

Probably the best-known quarterback in modern Cleveland Browns history, Bernie Kosar was not an athletic marvel, couldn't throw a football 80 yards, but he was successful. If he were coming into the league today, Kosar would be labeled a mechanical mess.


Kosar would throw off his back foot and he would often sling the football side arm. One difference in his era, however was he was a football player. He knew how to play the game and his strengths in one area would compensate for an area where he may not have been as gifted.

“Being able to play at this level takes much more than just being able to throw a football. As much as physical qualities are important to be successful in the NFL, this game is as much mental, if not more,” Kosar told the Orange and Brown Report.

With the Browns’ selection of Brady Quinn in the first round of the 2007 college player draft, Cleveland appears to have secured their franchise quarterback of the future. Quinn was schooled in the pro-style offense while at Notre Dame under head coach Charlie Weis is full of confidence. Following his senior season, some evaluators scrutinized his mechanics.

“Brady (Quinn) appears to have the attributes you look for in a starting quarterback. His decision making appears quick from what I have seen, he doesn’t throw interceptions, and he displays the ability to make those players around him play at a high level,” Kosar said. “I know some people have questioned his mechanics, but if you watch him and talk to people around the league, Brady made play after play in college".

"I don’t think those things are going to be a significant issue once he gets in there working with the coaches and learns the system.”

The mechanical issues most noted by scouts are Quinn tends to throw off his back foot and at times he does not drive through the ball. This can which creates some inconsistency in his accuracy, and his arm slot (angle which he generates the pass) causes the ball to float or not have the desired velocity some in the professional ranks question.

“When Brady (Quinn) needs to get the ball downfield or outside the hash-marks, he can do so without a problem. I have had the opportunity to work with him for the past couple years and he can do everything he needs to do,” Notre Dame Head coach Charlie Weis said. “The more you throw at him, the better he gets, because he has the ability to take it all in and use it. He will work to make himself better, to succeed.

Once Brady gains some experience and really gets a feel for the speed of the game, he is going to do well and Cleveland has a winner with him.”

For the sake of the Cleveland Browns, they certainly hope Weis is right.


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*LOL* at the refs .. why would u bury a new article on page 4 or 5 of a thread no one is reading anymore?? not that i care .. just makes no sense to my dumb ass ... and it isnt like theirs a glut of BQ articles cluttering up the board and the ENTIRE 4 or 5 threads with new posts on them .. *LOL* .. I'll shut up now .. as its none of my business anyhow ..

I think this guys an idiot ... so file this under the "even a blind squirrell finds a nut once in awhile" category .. cause he NAILED THIS ONE ..
< r />i think the entire article is VERY GOOD and DEAD NUTS ACCURATE .. but this is the one i REALLY LOVE ...

“When Brady (Quinn) needs to get the ball downfield or outside the hash-marks, he can do so without a problem. I have had the opportunity to work with him for the past couple years and he can do everything he needs to do,” Notre Dame Head coach Charlie Weis said. “The more you throw at him, the better he gets, because he has the ability to take it all in and use it. He will work to make himself better, to succeed.

it comes from a guy who KNOWS what it takes to be an elite NFL QB and he KNOWS BQ like no other ...

and guys and gals .... especially tabber and Toad .. (AND i'm not "calling" U out .. u guys are the ones that were saying the following whos opinions i respected the most so i would like an answer from U two on this one .. )

Pre draft all i heard from MANY OF U was Wies is only tooting BQ's horn cause hes his ex-player and he wanted him to get drafted high (witch i KNOW IS BS .. it was wrong of u to lump someone u know diddly about in with everyone else then) to help out Weis ... I believe Toad threw the term "coach speak" around ...

OK .. now the drafts over ... Wies has nuttin at stake anymore as far as "helping" his player ... so WHY IS HE still tooting his horn and saying how good he can be???

just curious to see if your ready to admit its because he BELIEVES IT and if not what other horse crap u can come up with .... *L* ...

just hope u guys actually see it now ... *L*

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and if Pit did this on his own ... sorry Refs .. my bad .. *L* ... thats what i get for ASSuming ...

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Nope Diam i posted it by itself for the fact i scolled down about 10-15 articles and the only one i saw was Wies Friendship thread.

I thought it was a good read so another reason i put it by itself .

But about Quinn , I think Dainelson is right they do over anlyze things so much its retarded.

Quinn will be fine and darn good NFL QB .i a ND fan and have watched him but never thought we would have him as our QB. He has everything a NFL QB needs and more .


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Great find! I can't get enough of the Quinn articles touting his abilities, makes me so excited for the season.

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The mechanical issues most noted by scouts are Quinn tends to throw off his back foot and at times he does not drive through the ball. This can which creates some inconsistency in his accuracy, and his arm slot (angle which he generates the pass) causes the ball to float or not have the desired velocity some in the professional ranks question.



This is similar to what Pete and I were talking about earlier. Frankly, I didn't see him throw off his back foot much, but there were times he did not drive through the ball which caused some funky arm motions. Again, he didn't do it all the time. In fact, he didn't do it a lot, but it was something and I think why he was erratic at times.





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Brady (Quinn) appears to have the attributes you look for in a starting quarterback. His decision making appears quick from what I have seen, he doesn’t throw interceptions, and he displays the ability to make those players around him play at a high level,” Kosar said.



I agree w/this too. His mental game is what sets him apart from many other QBs.



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When Brady (Quinn) needs to get the ball downfield or outside the hash-marks, he can do so without a problem. I have had the opportunity to work with him for the past couple years and he can do everything he needs to do,” Notre Dame Head coach Charlie Weis said. “The more you throw at him, the better he gets, because he has the ability to take it all in and use it. He will work to make himself better, to succeed.



Diam, I think you were right about some of BQs throws looking weak early because the Browns were messing w/his mechanics. There is a new tune now. Also, I love the part where Weis said BQ will work to make himself better.


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Diam, I think you were right about some of BQs throws looking weak early because the Browns were messing w/his mechanics. There is a new tune now. Also, I love the part where Weis said BQ will work to make himself better.




VERY curious as to hearing what the new tune is and the progress he's making. I'm taking it you're hearing good things?

Who's picking up the offense the best right now?

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I'm hearing his arm strength is exceptional.

I am also hearing Dorsey is the one picking up the offense, and that it is rather complex.


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Any word on Frye? I really think Quinn will end up starting because of the pressure put on Romeo. I hope Frye can prove his worth and still remain as our #2.


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I'm hearing his arm strength is exceptional.

I am also hearing Dorsey is the one picking up the offense, and that it is rather complex.




i'm not surprised. he's a bright guy. seems to be a really good guy to have around.

I thought I remember hearing the O was really simple last year because of the revolving door on the OL. Seems chud has some confidence in the OL this year to step things up.


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PDawg..............no word on Charlie.

homer: Yeah, I think Dorsey is bright too. And the guys are excited about the new offense. It's very complex and they NEED to study their asses off. It's going to take smart players who will dedicate themselves, but I think they are buying into it.

Wonder if Leon is?


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PDawg..............no word on Charlie.

homer: Yeah, I think Dorsey is bright too. And the guys are excited about the new offense. It's very complex and they NEED to study their asses off. It's going to take smart players who will dedicate themselves, but I think they are buying into it.

Wonder if Leon is?




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we'll see how Mr Ed he does this year. I can't help to have hope he'll get his head out of his backend. especially with a lot of the good vibes that seem to be comming out of berea so far.

As for the players working their asses off, I currently work in IT and I love getting hard problems to solve. for me work is interesting when you can chew on a problem and really work the brain. I can see why a more complex offense then up the middle, up the middle, dropped pass would get the players excited.

thanks for the info, please keep it comming


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You know, it kind of reminds me of when Lindy Infante was OC.(Man could that guy build a QB...LOL) I am not saying that this Offense is similar to Infante's...then again it just might be...who really knows...LOL....But the similarity I see is the complex nature where everyone on Offense needs to know what is going on and read things in the right and same way. I remember commentators marvelling at the pass being thrown most often before the receiver even made his cut. Now that wasn't new for the time...but the way the commentators were acting...it wasn't common to see it on almost every play. .

And when everything clicks it is a beautiful sight to behold....You get everyone on the same page and before the snap of the ball you know exactly how play will play out. Kosar and crew beat many a blitz on these kinds of reads

I remember seeing something on the NFL Network where they had some players wives on for a week. They were talking to Matt Hasselbeck's wife. And as they were going through some of his good plays....She said that she would ask Matt...How did you know the CB was goign to do this or that. And he really didn't have a good answer for her....It was almost like...I don't know ...I just did.....But he continued on about the preparation and film work as well as the importance of a good game plan. And when a particular situation comes up that you practiced against all week long.....You just recognize it and react naturally...

I have to say that I am excited myself to see the philosophies of this offense take shape...It is not going to run in top shape right off the bat...I don't expect the passing game to be in an elite mode for a while...LOL. But I think the running game will probably get going at a faster pace. And in listening to Jamaal Lewis' comments, we may be featuring the run more....especially in the infancy of this offense. Can't wait to see everyone on the same page...


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You get everyone on the same page and before the snap of the ball you know exactly how play will play out. Kosar and crew beat many a blitz on these kinds of reads


Thats where CF is going to have to improve..his presnap reads of blitz packages..this is where DA is good, but then he'll misread the coverages..

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Thats where CF is going to have to improve..his presnap reads of blitz packages..this is where DA is good, but then he'll misread the coverages..




and this is why we got BQ ...

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Oh I know, it's the thing that cripples Frye's and DA's chances of being a future successful starter.

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