DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Alec Scheiner, gaining power and influence over football operations..

Oh no you don't...LOL..

OK, so the HC and GM need a boss, tell me who you would suggest be that boss.

Paul Brown

Bernie !

Wouldn't that be something.. but.... well, you know, he's kinda dead so.......

I was half joking about that very thing the other day.


Actually, I don't think I was joking at all.

He has in fact, and I also know GM texted during the game.

This is a good thing...Farmer consulted with 2 other people... He didn't just go trade a player on his own that the team and fans love dearly, Assuming it was Joe Thomas they are talking about.

The out come of this is really so simple..Yet people just have to create more crap than what's in it..

Negativity creates negativity.... People, there's positive things that can be discussed out of this also.

I know you aren't going to change your point of view. I am simply saying you are wrong. If you are happy with the decisions our football guy has made, great. I think they suck, and I have a feeling most others agree.

Wow, is all’s I can say. You honestly can’t see this is what’s wrong? Really?

Bernie talked about this at length a year or so ago, and it all makes oh so much sense.

But let me preface this by saying I don’t have all the answers, not because I can’t add it up but because I truly don’t have ALL the facts but I got most of them and brother it’s uglier then you ALL would want to believe.

Haslam is the corner stone of this organization as the owner but he doesn’t understand his roll and he won’t listen to anyone other than himself. The only problem with that is he hasn’t a clue.

A good owner makes everyone stay in their lanes including themselves.

As the owner his job if you will is to make sure the GM is addressing GM duties, the coach is addressing coaching duties, the team president is addressing business details and so forth.

But here is what Haslam does from the facts I have been able to gather. He does whatever he feels like and the details are left to the GM, the coach the team president. He doesn’t make people stay in their lanes so they don’t.

In other words he is engaged in sabotage of his own organization. I work for an owner who does much the same, and I can tell you it creates disorganization, disgruntled employees who watch their plans get blown up in their faces as he (Haslam) creates little messes wherever he goes. He starts the problem but never sees it thru on his own. He leaves the details to those bellow him. And from what I gather if you buck him your history (see Chud).

Remembering back to Jr he did nothing to make GM/HC stay in their lanes as well and the results where the same. Haslam has a long way to go as an owner the BEST we can hope for is that he learns so far NO LUCK. If it’s possible I think it’s going to have to get worse or worse for longer before he sees himself for what he is. At this point an obstacle to progress.

I can see why D-dub walked away because what you’re missing and most posters miss is a basic ability to problem solve. Your response is A typical of a person who lacks the ability to problem solve in your defense sometimes that’s a great place to be cause everything in your world is simple the answers in your world are straight forward. In most instances that simple straight forward approach can work, more often than not you’re still struggling afterwards.

I will give you a for instance. Most of the members of this board thought we would win more games this year than we did last. Your clearly one of those guys, and I don’t even know if that’s true but I bet you did, didn’t you?

It’s simple for you we have better talent so “IF” we don’t win more then it’s the coaches fault simple right?
You don’t take all the facts and brake them down to their basic elements and grade accordingly.
I will give you something simple to look for when that changes then you will know we are on the right track, OK. When Text and Scheiner STOP reviewing coach’s tape with the coach you’ll know that clear lines have been drawn until then look for more of the same.

Now to you and to most the fact that the GM and the coach and the team president watch game tape together seems insignificant and if that’s all there were to it then it would be but it’s not. Oh and BTW Haslam used to review game tape too, but I feel confident he grew tired of the exercise and so he sends in Scheiner who breaks down the highlights for him. Thus Scheiner has the owner’s ear. Many of the moves Haslam makes from there are based on how Scheiner tells the tale.
Haslam views himself superior in every regards he is the owner who thinks he is the smartest person in the room and that everything is simple and therefore he need not listen to anyone. The fact that he owns the team and that these people report to him makes that SO. And that is his mistake.

Text has gotten the hog’s share of the blame to date. And while I concur with this take to a degree I know Text has been so overwhelmed by Haslam he has NO CHANCE, and neither do we and neither does the team. Ever hear me say SAD.

The reason I say Text has earned his share of the blame is because he let it happen he lacked the balls or belief in himself to stand up to Haslam. Haslam has dabbled in coaching the team as well that’s why JF was given a start year ago. That’s why we have seen wholesale team turnover year in and year out.

And BTW players and coaches sign non-disclosure agreements with their respective teams which severely limits their ability to talk or should I say tell the truth.

I agree with D-dub he nailed it. I have no hope you’ll be able to make sense of what he or I said it’s not simple enough. I'm sorry for that...

Which pretty much shows a lack of accountability.. I see how everyone being out of their lanes can cause a break down of his accountability..

Own your lane... I'm sure you've heard that..I'm not all in the staying in your own lane thinking.. It can can be good and bad.

There are times when you have to get out of your lane to help a team member..Lanes can create a lack of team work.. When you are held accountable to only your lane.. then it can create blindness to being a whole.

Getting the owning your own lane concept is a good thing..it is also a hard way for some to be.

I don't think Mac ever was in charge of running a business or owned one. Had he had that experience he'd understand that everything isn't black and white.

Teddy Roosevelt was a soldier, he was Police Commish in NYC, he was I think a Senator or congressman from NY, he was an author, he was a conservationalist and a President.

A person can do more than one thing in their lives..

Just because someone went to law school and never played a down of football doesn't make them incapable of running a football team.

To me, it's not, on the surface, Ideal, but smart people do smart things after getting information which it appears Alex was doing.

Our problems aren't Alex Scheiner. Our problem is we've consistently picked players that aren't any good. We've not had one single GM here that consistently picked GREAT players.

Yes, there have been winners along the way, JT, Haden, Mack, Bitonio and a few others. But by and large, our problems have been player selection both from the draft and from FA and trades.

Farmer picked some decent guys, But generally, he's just failed, as did Lombardi and/or Banner (depends on who you believe did the picking), Heckert, Mangini, Savage etc etc.

We've never had a Ron Wolf here since LONG before 1999. That was Ernie Accorsi I believe.

Find me a PICKER of talent and pretty much any coach we've had could have been more successful.

So all the hubbub about Alex Scheiner is really meaningless.

Everything about your post is so funny and so true at the same time.

You’re getting it but you’re misinformed on what it means to be a team member, as are most.
1st the term team member was a term coined by an individual to cover for their own lack of ability and the term is a mask for those that can’t perform their job satisfactorily in the 1st place.

In other words I don’t need you in my lane because I can pick talent, coach a player up, run a business and promote it. If you’re in my lane you’re not in yours, it’s just that simple. The one and only time you should come out of your lane is when you’re asked period.

Let’s take a team. I don’t need my center to be my right guard, I need him to do his job which is be the center. He isn’t doing me any favors by trying to play center and right guard therefore he isn’t a very good team member, or team player for that matter. He needs to stay with being the center just as the right guard needs to be sound at being a right guard.

In other words I’m going to say you’re a crappy center based on your performance which is lacking because you’re my center but insist on trying to play right guard too.

You do your job if you can help the right guard then you do if asked or directed to do so. But by not doing your job you make the entire team look bad.

Team members contribute to the team results that doesn’t mean you do someone else’s job that’s a huge mistake. If you’re doing someone else’s job you’re not doing yours.

Very well said and I agree completely..

Own your own lane and become the best..

My problem at first with this, I felt it made individuals care more about themselves then others in the work place....Which resulted in the I don't care about you just myself...

Then what you have is individuals who care only about their success and not the rest of the Team (work Force).

If done properly, and for those involved, Learning how to own your own lane and become successful and have the other team members become successful, at the same time caring about the success of the team as a whole.

When your used to being a person who always would help anyone, it would indeed set you up to fail if your not owning your lane.Takes some time getting used to not helping your fellow workers.

I'm learning and accepting this newer way of approach, I have to own my lane.. and if the other guy isn't.. Then it's not my responsibility to help. It's the guy whose lane to help him is..

I would like to see the FO excel at this. If everyone involved were owning and excelling in their lanes.It sure could put this franchise in a position to succeed.

Bills, Bengals, Ravens, Broncos, Chargers, Cowboys, Washington, Bears, and 49ers. I'm sure there are more.

I like this quote better

It's called "agenda".

That's where having, for instance, a VP in charge of Football Operations comes into play. This VP is a part of, and into, everybody's individual lane.

He is also the boss who has meetings with each individual to see how he is doing and to see if that individual is having issues with any of the others or to discover if that individual is in need of help. This meeting would also indicate how well the individual is working within the team concept.

The VP would also have meetings with the whole team to see how well the team members are working together on the same page, to air-out differences if necessary and to listen to opinions, objections and positive comments, all to promote the team concept and keep everybody happy in their position.

An environment like this would eliminate any possibility of, say, a GM texting to the side line with opinions and suggestions on game day, (clearly out of his lane and at the wrong possible time). That would avoid butting heads between the GM and HC, it would provide a moderator to help work out solutions to differences in advance, it would avoid suspensions, if caught texting for instance, it would avoid having the HC spend an inordinate amount of time fixing a personal issue when he has enough to do in coaching the team. It would also avoid the team embarrassment and talk of "dysfunction" by the National Media due to having their GM suspended for over riding his responsibilities by jumping out of his lane.

The way it is set up now no one has responsibility, as shown by the use of a "consensus method" in which they make decisions, and no one has any accountability, also as shown by the "consensus method". When everyone is accountable for a decision then no one is accountable for the decision.

"You can't blame me, everyone else agreed with the decision"


The lack of responsibility and accountability is a direct result of the two football guys not having a football boss.

Evidence? Who needs that? IMO this is just another in a long line of media BS that is printed to do just what it did, add to the media's scenario of a totally inept FO. They are going to do this until this team becomes a winner. It sells papers and gets clicks. That is what the media is all about.

So do the Browns have one ? Would someone like Morocco Brown or Bryan Wiedmeier be this guy ? I'm not sure if this title would be in the management or player personal side.

Holmgren played that role when he was here. He was team President and had many executive responsibilities. Having a football guy like that kept the football side running smoothly regardless how bad it was. Heckert and Shurmur were not in a power struggle over who should play and the play calling.

But that guy cannot just sit around and wait for football problems that need solved. Being an executive there are a lot of day-to-day duties to be performed. Much like Scheiner is doing now. I think some teams have both types of guys.

The problem with Holmgren was that he treated this job as his retirement hobby when what we needed was a full-time, hands-on football man in charge of football. Holmgren had been a coordinator and then a coach for many years. At one point he was the GM/HC. He knows about football organization.

Things actually could have worked out with him in that position had he taken the job seriously and had not the team been sold, which always leads to major changes. Heck, Haslem may have even kept him if he hadn't seen through the guise Holmgren was using to collect a big paycheck.

Schiner is the team president now. He's a very good business executive in the realm of budgets, marketing, stadium issues and more. He's one of the best according to some.

However, he's never been a part of the real football operations. So what does he know about how GMs and HCs relate to each other? What does he know about talent evaluation? What does he know about how to coach a team? Nothing. But he seems to be the one in charge of the GM and HC always having Haslem to fall back on for the final decision. (Another non-football guy).

I think sitting in on game film break-down is/was his attempt to understand how a GM and HC relate and to gain some kind of football knowledge. But I'm saying he'd learn no more from that than would any of us who've never played or coached.

Good God! I'm starting to sound like mac.

Nevermind.

Atleast the Head coach didnt trade our #1 receiver and the GM saw it on the espn ticker lol

"Hello Ray, this is John Elway, I'd like to talk to you about a trade for Joe Thomas."

"Wait a minute John, I need to go ask my dad."

If it's true and nobody is sure that it is, then I think Ray already has a foot out the door. That's weird though because now is the time if you want to make a GM change. You want him to have his staff in place while there is some scouting left to do. Unless they have an in-house hire in mind.

Na dub Mac isn't as far off as folks make out, besides when is it a bad thing to march to a different drummer? Turns out Mac was far closer to reality then the we are all set Pet and Text got this crowd.

I think that article is a non-story.

Farmer had BETTER consult his coach before trading away his best player, and I'd think he would have to talk to Scheiner about the money side of it all. I doubt that Farmer actually handles that part himself. When you are considering trading away a future 1st-ballot Hall of Famer, you really do need to make sure you have a consensus in-house before pulling that trigger.

Oh and Tab your about to owe me a round of golf, Bellavista will do... Crazy me I knew these guys were selling used cars and low and behold we got a clunker....

I agree. I think some in the media are morons, just read any Mary Kay article, others believe they are the smartest thing God ever created see Grossi. Anyway would you want a GM that did not consult his coach before a trade? AND Prp you make a really good point on the money impact of such a trade. I actually feel its the way things should work.

Well yeah he better consult Pet but why Alec?

Who handles contracts, the dead/guaranteed money figures, payroll, etc...?

It's usually not the guy handling the business side, but given our team structure it could be Alec.

IDK... given Framer's track record over the past two drafts and FA... if I was Haslam I would want him talking to everyone in the organization he could before making a decision.

Indeed I would require he gets Pets AND the business side input before I ( Haslam) would put my support behind a decision.

Make no mistake if I am Haslam, at this point in time I am reviewing not only decisions but the way those decisions are arrived at and while I would not have final say I certainly would review everything until I found a true football to oversee my operations.

Did he say "agenda? Seriously?

I posted this:



That's called being fair, yet I have a few of these guys constantly posting crap like I am "agenda" poster. It freaking sucks.

Please don't quote that guy. I have him on ignore for a reason!!! Thanks.

Everyone just do what Versatile says. Wait, actually, don't do that we will all end up suspended.

just wondering how you think that? lmao