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I think it's a universal agreement that Farmer needs to go.

I would keep Pettine for one more year, if, and only if we kick O'Neil to the curb and allow a new D-Coordinator pick a staff there.

I would also argue we need a better O-Line coach.



Now a question for the board...

I have read articles on the internet here and there that our VP of Player Personnel, Morroco Brown, is an up and coming talent evaluator and might be a good candidate to become a GM on some team. Apparently he finds the diamonds in the rough players . . . .

Does anyone know anything about this dude? And if he would make for a good replacement for Farmer?

While I expect that nobody likes that, I'm sure that most recognize it as an occupational hazard, that it goes with their job. While trades are more prevalent in other sports, they are less frequent in the NFL. Some eyebrows were probably raised with the trade "discussions", but the fact remains that it goes with the job...

NO NO NO Ray Farmer was up and coming and we hired the worst talent evaluator in the NFL.

I disagree. This happened during the season. Trading away some of your very best players during the season says that management has given up on the season.

I guarantee that it's a tough working environment.

Rams owe Foles $6 million guaranteed for 2016

Link

It's nice to know that Farmer will have a place to land if he gets canned.

Benjamin says Browns can turn it around “with the right staff”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...partner=ya5nbcs

Posted by Zac Jackson on November 16, 2015, 3:56 PM EST

Browns wide receiver Travis Benjamin delivered an interesting answer Monday when reporters asked him about his football future.

Per Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal, Benjamin responded to a question about the Browns’ poor record changing his personal outlook for the future by saying, in part, that “as long as we get the right pieces in here and the right staff and anything we need to make this team great, I’m willing to stick by for the long haul.”

The current coaching staff won’t much like “the right staff” part.

It’s just a quote, one that history says will be followed with some sort of clarification. These things happen, especially during 2-8 seasons.

Benjamin’s breakout season has come in the final season of his rookie contract. He’s been especially productive with Johnny Manziel at quarterback and had his third game of 100-plus yards receiving in Sunday’s loss at Pittsburgh. Benjamin had 2 touchdown catches in Manziel’s first start of the season in Week 2. On the season, Benjamin has 48 catches for 736 yards and 4 touchdowns.

Benjamin was a fourth-round pick in 2012; that was two Browns administrations ago. Though Benjamin has always been a dangerous return man, his previous career best for receptions in a season was 18.

Did any of the articles mention the names of these players that are diamond in the rough ?

It would be nice to know which players he found that qualify for this statement.




if Morroco is a Pettine supporter and would keep him as HC, It would help with the continuity factor, that many would like to see.

Listening to Pettines presser yesterday, I feel he is close to figuring out what needs to be done for a turn around.

I believe more than 2 years is needed for a HC to get 16 years of misery changed. Also McCown had a very good presser also.

Tramont, now Benji.

who's next?

In Pettines presser yesterday, he gets asked if all the players are buying in. His reply was "most" .. Then states there are some who aren't.

I wonder if Benji was one of the ones he was referring to.

I'd wonder if most was a reach.

i can't imagine most of the players buying in to this nonsense.

Like it was on the highest shelf in the world.......

Benjamin already came out and corrected himself.

"In a locker-room interview Monday afternoon, Benjamin was asked whether the team's 2-8 record changes his outlook for himself next year. Benjamin, who's scheduled to become an unrestricted free agent in March, raised some eyebrows with his answer.

"Not at all, not at all," Benjamin said. "It doesn't matter. As long as we get the right pieces in here and the right staff and anything we need to make this team great, I'm willing to stick by for the long haul."
After Benjamin realized his "right staff" comment suggested he doesn't necessarily believe the Browns have the right coaching staff now, he wanted to explain himself. So, later Monday, Benjamin did a follow-up interview by phone.

"The stuff about the 'right staff,' I was talking about the mistakes and eliminating things we've done on the field, like the right pieces we need," Benjamin said. "It's obvious we're losing, so something's going on. I didn't mean [to imply I was hoping for] anyone getting fired. We know that we have the winning material we need in house. That's what I wanted to follow up and say."

Ohio.com

I don't know if this is true or not... these two players seemed to excel last season with the same HC and same DC.

But if true...

Are they suggesting that our HC and DC changed our defensive scheme from a year ago? Everyone here is begging for continuity and our very own HC and DC change the scheme after just one year! Or is it the same scheme and our players are just tired of playing for the HC/DC and making excuses as to why they aren't very good?

In either case, I'd imagine here is your answer on whether the coaching staff should be fired.....

I agree. The timing (extra points for holding the news until just before teeing up for the game) shows zero class and a bunch of disrespect. The number of players mentioned and the timing in addition to our relative "best" was appalling. Really refuse to believe that trades and drafts can't replace a Thomas, for one. Judgment is non-existent in Berea. Farmer and the DC would be a great start. Do NOT bring back Ryan
again!

Jimmy Donovan dropping the hammer.

http://www.wkyc.com/videos/sports/2015/11/16/browns-have-worst-record-in-nfl-at-28/75897738/

Jim Donovan is the man. Jimmy Haslam could really care less what anyone in the media has to say. He's busy counting his BILLION$. Thanks to all the suckers who continue to donate. SMH

Which is why I firmly believe that our biggest problem is that our FO is not only NOT on the same page, I don't think they are even in the same book as far as how they want to build this team.

I just picture our staff meetings between Haslam, Scheiner, Farmer, and Pettine sounding like Charlie Browns' teacher because nobody is listening to anybody else.

The second Haslam starts caring about what people in the media are saying is the second we know we have a horrible owner.

I was so thrilled when Haslam bought the team. I was so hopeful that he would change the culture and we would finally have a respectable team in Cleveland.

I remember defending all of his early moves. Hope got the best of me and I think I was really wrong about this guy. There is so much drama and dysfunction w/this team. It almost reads like a Cold War novel, w/all the back-stabbing, plot twists, secrecy, and deception.

It's wearing on me. And I can tell it is wearing on a lot of the old guard around here. That bothers me a lot. It's like the hope has been sucked out of them. Think about it.....there are quite a few of us who have been around here since around 2000--2001. One playoff appearance. No playoff wins. Winning records are scarce. Drama, dysfunction, denial, depression.

Seriously, look at this team and answer honestly if there is any hope....

Just a thought

Last year we started out running the ball so well to start the season until Mack went down and now even with him back we can't seem to even average 3.5 yds a carry or 90 yds a game and I notice a lot of the times when we run that the defenders are in the backfield as soon as the RB gets the hand-off and it makes me wonder if we are not doing something to tip off the opposing defenses that it is a running play. Anybody notice anything?

Since last year our personnel packages have tipped a lot of team off as to what we are going to do. That is a huge problem.

Our yards per carry were poor last year, as well.

The big difference is that Shanny didn't abandon the run while Flip does.

I also think we are trying to run more power blocking plays and our guys aren't really suited for that.

I still say the one mistake after Haslam took over that really killed us was when we brought in Lombardi. That single move set us back years.

Banner had a good vision of where the team wanted to go. Chud and Norv were putting up 30 a game with guys that are no longer in the league. They made moves for the future and Lombardi led the charge to push Chud out. Then he and Banner had their blow up which got Lombardi fired but at that point Haslam had enough and got rid of Banner as well.

Vers, the big difference in our run game from last year to this year is last year's OL would drop anyone that got in their way. this year they are afraid to freaking hit. When we do run a zone stretch u see exactly zero defenders chopped. The back ends up making the first guy miss 4 yards in the backfield. I was no shannahan fan but there was a toughness a nasty attitude that is gone now.

How so?

This should be good.

IDK Erving looks like he is ready for some power blocking... just line him up facing the backfield and he can fall over backwards on them...

Exactly... we are predictable on every play.

LOL........Harsh.

he is a back stabbing bastard that screws over everyone he works with. When you hire a GM and have to sneak him in the back door, hide him from the press then something is seriously wrong. he fed Lacanfora team info like he was giving out halloween candy. He is a total snake, that is why he and Beli get along so well.

Vers, Our Per carry Avg was low last year due to the QBs and WR runs, West and Crowell actually averaged 4.01 yds per carry between them.

Didn't I say this last year? And Vers. blew up saying I couldn't prove it? Lombardi trashes everything he touches.

Well, sure...right from the get-go. Likely even before that as we "knew" Lombardi was going to be on board months prior to his hire. Who leaked that? Probably Lombardi so that once public, we couldn't go back on it. Once hired, he seemed to be immediately in Banner's doghouse as Lombardi was relegated to the broom closet. I'll always remember at the Combine, Banner, in a presser, was asked where Lombardi was. Banner's reply (in his ugliest voice)..."Doing what he's supposed to be doing". 'Nuff said...

That there there is reason number one and reason number two.

The first year my son played football, (9 years old), they put him on defense the first week. His job was to go after and tackle the QB. Then they put him at left tackle. His first play from that position he pulled back, chased down his QB and put him on the ground. hahaha

He gets along with Belichick because I doubt Bill tells him anything he doesn't want everybody to know.

Here's a question for you guys. I'll admit, that I don't always pay attention to the oline and even if I did you can't always tell from the camera angles but have any of you noticed a pulling guard (includes guard and center) or a trap block? I can't remember the last time I saw either from the Browns

I've seen Greco pulling.

Yeah Mourg, I know why you hate him. I was asking you about how "he set the franchise back years?"

Seems to me that we made better moves the year he was here than we have in the past 5 years or so.

He didn't draft TRich and Weeden.

He didn't blow two drafts in a row like Farmer.

He got Hoyer for nothing.

We traded TRich for a first round pick.

We brought in Dez and Kruger.

We moved up in two rounds by trading picks in one of the worst draft classes in history for two picks in a very strong draft.

I am not saying he is great, but how in the hell did "he set the franchise back years?"

I contend that H and H's last draft and Farmer's first two drafts have "set us back years."

I blew up?

Where is your proof again? Mourg?

Belichick keeps hiring him. I know that you are Mourg are way, way more accomplished than BB.

Y'all been hangin' out w/Gordon and drinking "cough medicine?"