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what weak excuse?
at least i've been for 3 months and helped.
What i'm starting to notice is people have no skin in the game. no personal feelings or direct experiences.
which is why i'm starting to grow numb to the lack of care that goes on around here.
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Question for anybody who cares to answer...
What do you think ISIS thinks they gain by attacking a country like Mali? From what I've seen, ISIS attacks for two reasons:
1. to inflict pain and suffering on those it hates
2. to recruit new members
so what is the benefit to attacking Mali? Or is it just an attack on a relatively soft target to remind the world they are out there and it has no real immediate goal other than add to global fear and confusion and the feeling that nobody is safe? There are a couple reasons. Islamists control about a 1/3 of the country in the north. They want it all. Soft targets are easy, and it does assist them in recruiting. They are also in a fight against isis when it comes to recruiting and money.
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Not to mention they want to continue getting pretty damned rich.
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they attack places like Mali and use it as propaganda.
you just finished saying the media is controlled by white people, right?
think about it, ISIS knows nobody gives a damn about people in Africa. you just said #2 is to recruit.
they are recruiting Africans. it's so easy.
"you see? nobody cares about you. your women and children are drinking water from the ground in mud, you have no money, your family is starving. the crusaders don't care about you. they only care about themselves and people that look like them. join us, we will provide you food, shelter, and a means to take care of your family".
congrats, they just got a bunch of recruits by attacking their own homes.
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they are recruiting Africans. it's so easy.
"you see? nobody cares about you. your women and children are drinking water from the ground in mud, you have no money, your family is starving. the crusaders don't care about you. they only care about themselves and people that look like them. join us, we will provide you food, shelter, and a means to take care of your family".
congrats, they just got a bunch of recruits by attacking their own homes.
I disagree. First of all, isis attacked in a city. Those people weren't drinking muddy water. They attacked a hotel. Those people apparently had some money. I doubt any of them were starving. Isis attacks in some areas to gain control of any resources available, and THEN uses those resources against the people living there in order to get "recruits", which, they aren't "recruits", they are forced into joining isis in order to eat, or work. However, we don't hear about that aspect. We hear about Paris, about the capital in Mali. Those are for show. Well, and terror, which isis thinks gives them power.......then, they go out to the rural areas in, say mali, or iraq, afghanistan, syria, etc, and take over the food supply, tax the hell out of those working. That's how they get what is basically forced labor. Call it slavery if you want.
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just because you attack a city doesn't mean the people in the surrounding area won't come running.
think about it. we have people here in the states, and in europe, who willingly leave their homes in order to go fight for the islamic states.
how can you possibly think it won't apply to somebody 5 miles down the street?
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just because you attack a city doesn't mean the people in the surrounding area won't come running.
think about it. we have people here in the states, and in europe, who willingly leave their homes in order to go fight for the islamic states.
how can you possibly think it won't apply to somebody 5 miles down the street? I wasn't aware that's what I said. If I did, forgive me. What I thought I said was the attacks in Paris, Mali, and anywhere and everywhere else are done to install fear. Then, they take over the food, water, tax anyone that works - out in the smaller towns. Let's face it, they can't control the food or water in a major city. I doubt they get any Parisians to "sign up" Notoriety, that's what the attacks are for. Their "recruits" come from the countryside where they establish control over work, food, water. The people they "recruit" don't really have a choice. Now, that doesn't mean there aren't exceptions - please understand that.
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I am beginning to agree with the PM of France and the others who are saying we are seeing the beginning of WWIII. And it would be the first World War in which America is leaderless.
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I am beginning to agree with the PM of France and the others who are saying we are seeing the beginning of WWIII. And it would be the first World War in which America is leaderless. On the other hand, we won WWII with a Leader minus legs, Perhaps we can win WWIII with a (leader) minus Guts.
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think about it. we have people here in the states, and in europe, who willingly leave their homes in order to go fight for the islamic states. I don't get it bro.. I really can't comprehend the mindset of somebody, especially somebody in the west who isn't that bad off... what would compel a person to think joining this "cause" is a good idea. What do they think they are fighting for?
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It will make your head hurt trying to comprehend it..I stopped trying to understanding the why with them..and just kind of feel like they need to be dealt with on level that would make them think twice about ever joining or being apart of the insanity.
But i don't think American populace have the stomach to let the military do what is needed to stop these animals.
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It will make your head hurt trying to comprehend it..I stopped trying to understanding the why with them..and just kind of feel like they need to be dealt with on level that would make them think twice about ever joining or being apart of the insanity.
But i don't think American populace have the stomach to let the military do what is needed to stop these animals. Yes, the American populace has the stomach for it. They do not have the will to send soldiers if they will be restricted from doing the job they are sent to do.
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See I don't think they do..I mean for the rog to be changed to where isis could be gone forever..No I don't think we do.
The news media would show the brutality it will take to deal with them and a poopoo storm will ensue in the media and the squeakers will be terrible.
And heaven forbid its prolonged for a bit the squawking will get much worse.
But I do agree the initial response would be positive if rog are changed to allow the armed forces to do their job..but it would wane fast me thinks...
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I am beginning to agree with the PM of France and the others who are saying we are seeing the beginning of WWIII. And it would be the first World War in which America is leaderless. On the other hand, we won WWII with a Leader minus legs, Perhaps we can win WWIII with a (leader) minus Guts. It looks more and more like Putin will be leading the "coalition" and not Hussein Obama. I'd love to hear what Hussein says to the French president on Tuesday and what Putin says to him on Wednesday.
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think about it. we have people here in the states, and in europe, who willingly leave their homes in order to go fight for the islamic states. I don't get it bro.. I really can't comprehend the mindset of somebody, especially somebody in the west who isn't that bad off... what would compel a person to think joining this "cause" is a good idea. What do they think they are fighting for? thats actually easy to answer. story time! So when i was getting my secret clearance in the military, they was drilling me about a certain family member back in Adana, Turkey. my family is pretty wealthy there, however, i have a couple idiot 2nd and 3rd cousins living way in eastern Turkey that we don't really communicate with...well at all. and for whatever reason, wants to go against the grain. what ended up happening was my cousin was helping a group hit(you know what i mean...) Kurdish people. he's in jail, and i hope he stays there. the thing is...he was only 16. you have a teenager bro. you know how easy it is for them to get manipulated, no matter how good your parenting has been. some kids just....i dunno. i want people to understand something. its teenagers getting grabbed early to join these groups. you see it everyday here in the states with regards to kids joining gangs. they have very little to their names, their parents are struggling, they have no money. then on top of that, the world is telling them that their lifestyle(or religion) is wrong, so it furthers the isolation. so what happens? the group recruits you in, promising you money, food, and shelter. and i was almost that kid here in cleveland. my parents just got out the military, but couldn't find good work. we was struggling hard. i almost joined a gang here until out of nowhere my parents sent me to a private school my junior year. if you're a kid on the verge of getting evicted, what are you going to do? and for people like Erik and 40 ready to answer that question, keep in mind that you'r answering in the perspective of a grown ass adult, not a kid thats confused about the world, just went to puberty, and are struggling with social life. people need to understand what we're dealing with here. it'll be way easier to actually win this battle if we know all the issues and perspectives.
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if you're a kid on the verge of getting evicted, what are you going to do? and for people like Erik and 40 ready to answer that question, keep in mind that you'r answering in the perspective of a grown ass adult, not a kid thats confused about the world, just went to puberty, and are struggling with social life. Gee. I guess it's a good thing my parents told me that murder was wrong when I was a child. It kept me out of some of those bad situations when I was in my teens.
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congrats Erik, thats for being better than us.
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congrats Erik, thats for being better than us. It's a good thing my parents watched Charlton Hesston in the Ten Commandments every year.
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so what happens? the group recruits you in, promising you money, food, and shelter. see, I think the biggest thing that draws them in is not the promise of food and money, the biggest thing that draws them in is friendship, understanding, and purpose.... I think teens can be pretty resilient without money and even with minimal food if they feel like they are accepted by somebody, if they feel like they have a purpose. I believe that is a much stronger motivator than just cash. I watched a special on the bastion of all liberalism (PBS) recently (since I'm in a hotel and have nothing else to do).. it was called The Brain and it was absolutely fascinating. They talked about a lot of things that we are starting to understand about the human brain but the part that I found interesting was when they talked about genocide... first they talked about psychopaths, which is an actual medical condition in which you feel no sympathy or empathy for other human beings, they are basically objects to you and you feel no remorse if you kill one.. but that doesn't explain genocide, how does an entire community of people turn on another community of people and commit heinous acts to people who they once lived in peace with.... because the actual percentage of people who are psychopaths is an extremely small percentage.... they used Bosnia as an example, they talked about entire communities that got along just fine, then the war broke out and in an instant, they turned on each other... they used an example of a guy who was a dentist, he was, based on the interviewee, well respected by people of all religions in the community for his work and as a person... then one day, they found him hanging from a light pole on the street... and they let him hang there for days, school kids walking to school under him, and they just let him hang there... people he had done their dental work just a month before didn't care, they didn't even bother to get him down.... The short answer is that they don't know yet what causes that switch to flip in the minds of people but seemingly even people of good backgrounds, people of money, people of high moral character... are capable of making that total transformation... I just find those kinds of studies fascinating. I also find this notion that people who are taught right from wrong are incapable of such things and those who do bad things were just never taught right from wrong to be quite over simplified... and wrong.
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so what happens? the group recruits you in, promising you money, food, and shelter. see, I think the biggest thing that draws them in is not the promise of food and money, the biggest thing that draws them in is friendship, understanding, and purpose.... I think teens can be pretty resilient without money and even with minimal food if they feel like they are accepted by somebody, if they feel like they have a purpose. I believe that is a much stronger motivator than just cash. I watched a special on the bastion of all liberalism (PBS) recently (since I'm in a hotel and have nothing else to do).. it was called The Brain and it was absolutely fascinating. They talked about a lot of things that we are starting to understand about the human brain but the part that I found interesting was when they talked about genocide... first they talked about psychopaths, which is an actual medical condition in which you feel no sympathy or empathy for other human beings, they are basically objects to you and you feel no remorse if you kill one.. but that doesn't explain genocide, how does an entire community of people turn on another community of people and commit heinous acts to people who they once lived in peace with.... because the actual percentage of people who are psychopaths is an extremely small percentage.... they used Bosnia as an example, they talked about entire communities that got along just fine, then the war broke out and in an instant, they turned on each other... they used an example of a guy who was a dentist, he was, based on the interviewee, well respected by people of all religions in the community for his work and as a person... then one day, they found him hanging from a light pole on the street... and they let him hang there for days, school kids walking to school under him, and they just let him hang there... people he had done their dental work just a month before didn't care, they didn't even bother to get him down.... The short answer is that they don't know yet what causes that switch to flip in the minds of people but seemingly even people of good backgrounds, people of money, people of high moral character... are capable of making that total transformation... I just find those kinds of studies fascinating. I also find this notion that people who are taught right from wrong are incapable of such things and those who do bad things were just never taught right from wrong to be quite over simplified... and wrong. It's easier to go with the group than against it. Another interesting foible of human nature.
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Mr. Putin is once more at the top of his game at a time when an anxious West is on high alert. He has made clear his stance: stronger border controls, strict limits to refugee flows, and a general consolidation of the administrative power of the state. These policies have many supporters in Europe. Are we to witness a convergence of sorts? What’s the next move in this international game of three-dimensional chess? Ask Mr. Obama, or Mr. Hollande. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/24/opinion/putins-emergency-politics.html?_r=0
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I understand.
And that's my problem. People talk about righ from wrong and such from the comfort of the American Dream.
I wonder how easy of a decision it be when you live in an active war zone. There so many variables that goes into this. It isn't remotely a black or white situation.
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The gang thing is pretty spot on..it truly is the sme kind of mentality of young ones joining isis.
Maybe the only difference is the religion aspect..but for the gang banger the money and kind of phony acceptance and having your back thing is the gangs religious thing.
I hope i worded that right or explained it in the right way.
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You grew up in the hood bro. You know.
Promise people power and money, and they will do whatever it is you ask them to.
Hell that even applies to suburbia.
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yes it does..some of the nastiest people I've met in my life have been what they call upper class..I hate that term.
They won't shoot you but sure as will try to ruin you through other means:/
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Mr. Putin is once more at the top of his game at a time when an anxious West is on high alert. He has made clear his stance: stronger border controls, strict limits to refugee flows, and a general consolidation of the administrative power of the state. These policies have many supporters in Europe. Are we to witness a convergence of sorts? What’s the next move in this international game of three-dimensional chess? Ask Mr. Obama, or Mr. Hollande. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/24/opinion/putins-emergency-politics.html?_r=0 Have you considered moving to Russia?
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bro, i don't understand this love affair some people have with putin.
this guy won't hesitate to kill us if it came down to it. he's not our friend, yet we talk this guy up like he's the best. he's a communist, and loves communism.
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Have you considered moving to Russia? No need to, they will soon be here.
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Is it because our President comes across as weak and apologetic?? When I grew up Russia is /was the boogey man..and Putin is a ex KGB and is filthy son of a yeah..
But I think the man projects power and leadership..even if I don't like the man he should be feared for good reason..
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Is it because our President comes across as weak and apologetic?? When I grew up Russia is /was the boogey man..and Putin is a ex KGB and is filthy son of a yeah..
But I think the man projects power and leadership..even if I don't like the man he should be feared for good reason.. Russian isn't nearly as powerful or competitive with us these days. Putin's foreign policy really isn't that great. They've lost half of Ukraine and have been made to sink a lot of resources to keep Crimea. They're also in a fight for Libya as well. We've instigated two civil wars in countries that they're very close to. We've certainly taken our bruises against them, but that really can't be helped. But, we've made some real damages.
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NO No I mustve not put what I meant the right way..I understand they are basically broke financially and there military ability is outdated and wouldn't be able to infiltrate the US. Minus nukes..even then a lot of them are outdated also.
But I think that man does project power and has an ability to bully world leaders..namely ours.
Man there is mor then one way to hurt a country, not just with a military. Which I'm sure you already know.
But Swish didnt understand why people would look up to this guy..I can see why even if i don't like the guy why people do not so much look up to him..maybe admiration is a better word??
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i get what you're saying, but we have a few posters, namely Millcreek, who talk up Putin like he is the best since Reagan.
if they love the guy so much, please leave democracy and go be a communist. i won't anybody who leaves in favor of that guy.
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That isn't true. Some of us remember what leadership looks like and Putin is a leader.
It is possible to admire an enemy as you take down his flag.
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Have you considered moving to Russia? No need to, they will soon be here. At least you'll be happy about it.
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I know I see it on other boards to..The guy is conniving and murderer..Hell the communist thing is ugly..but I think at a time in our country where we draw a red line then another and another.
People see the guy isnt bashing his home country and makes no excuses..so I see why people admire the nut.
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Have you considered moving to Russia? No need to, they will soon be here. At least you'll be happy about it. Ha! You and your fellow Commie Bernie Sanders supporters will be inviting your Commie brother Putin to tour America if you have your way!
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Ah, another person who has no clue between communism and socialism. I'm not surprised Mr. Putin....
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actually I would bet Putin knows the difference quite well..the person you responded to well that I don't know.
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