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Yes swish right out of my ass..;I spent a considerable amount of time in the middle east..Sorry if THEY jaded my view of them. I will concede not all..enough where I'm not ok with them coming here

Your real rich talking about pulling things out of your ass..

Well I've also spent a considerable amount of time in the Middle East. Both as a soldier and as visiting my family in turkey.

So I'll ask again, do you know for a fact that the Syrian refugees hate America? Or did you just pull that out of your ass?

Are you high tonight??? How else would I believe they are a threat if i haven't had a personal interaction with Syrian's..

I spent about 1000 days in the middle east..because of duties to the Marines and i also have family from and living there.

I loved the Turks for the most part..I have half my family from/in Germany.

So no talking out of the backside..it is from personal experience sir.

I wasn't aware that the U.S. solely went to Syria for all of their information. But that's because they don't. We currently review every applicant for 18-24 months before they come here. During this 18-24 month period we do a very thorough investigation into them that includes the help of many agencies (Both US and UN), multiple interviews with the applicant and whatever Syrian records may indicate.

This is a pretty thorough background check. Once they're here I'm going to assume a few things that the government is probably doing. The government probably has them under some sort of surveillance for forever. U.S. citizens already get this treatment and they are afforded rights. It would make zero sense for us to not do this considering how staunch we are when it comes to national defense (As we should be).

ISIL would have to be the biggest group of morons to ever send a terrorist through a refugee program. It's not proven to work. It's not even semi-effective. Best case scenario is a 1% chance they get into America and there's less of a chance that they could organize an attack. It's much easier to circumnavigate other ways to get into the country as we saw with the Boston Marathon Bombers.

Do you honestly believe that they have a considerable chance now? (Of course they have a chance. There's also a chance that an asteroid will destroy the Earth. However, these chances are more found on TV screens than in the street.)

I'm not high. But it seems like your lumping the Syrians running from the country with the Syrians who stayed.

I know the Syrians hate us. The refugees? Not so much.

I don't understand why you're listing crendentials, as if this is some sort of bigger stick competition. We've both been in the Middle East, both have family in Germany.

But my issue is you seem to not be able to separate the two.

I've notice that people can't even tell nationalities on this board.

For example, I wonder how many people know that Iranians aren't Arab?

I really wish people would educate themselves on this history of the region. It's an eye opener.

How in the world do they come from the same place..but there can be no possible way some of them have ill intentions??

Not listing credentials..You asked about blowing things out of my ass..NO sir..Its from experience in the area..

If I didn't at least give you an idea I have dealings with that part of the world..You would then call me stupid or some other adjective and tell me i get my information from Fox news..

Yes I can separate the two..when it comes to Syrians I CHOOSE not to separate the two.

Trust me it is not a credential thing..Though it hasnt shown in my posting I really don't like playing the military card.

But I have dealings with Syrian's that go beyond the Marine Corp.

He's listing credentials because you seem to think listing your credentials makes you special.

He saw your credentials, and he called you on them with his own. And your replY? "hey, your credentials don't matter." Basically.

One other thing maybe it's right maybe it's wrong..but I see a lot of able bodied Men that should maybe have their behinds in their own country fighting to change their way of life.

Not collecting welfare from other countries.

Thats exactly right..

I didn't say there's no way bro.

You need to read what I type. I'm calling you out on thinking that all of the refugees must have some ill intent toward us.

I didn't call you stupid, nor did I mention tox news. You should really stop assuming things,

You can call it playing a card, but whatever. People like arch like to think I play the military card, even though most of my dealings come from me being part Turkish and having family in the area.but you notice he never says anything about that, though.

He listed his credentials first. I didn't ask for it.

He knows my credentials from past post in different threads.

I simply posted mine to show him it doesn't. Matter, we have similar experience.

And yes, I feel special. Absolutely. My experience helps shape my point of view. So does his.

You don't have any experience, though. Too bad.

Anyways, this idea that you choose not to separate the two. Are you sure it isn't you who hates them?

I can't lump all Iraqis together. I know the deal with the, you should too.

Just like I can't lump Turkish people together.

You make even more enemies when you refuse to separate the good from the bad.

I read exactly what you type..Actually I think you have in a previous post..or maybe it was some other you know adjective..I remember now you called me a joke..

No you didnt mention fox news to me but I've sure as hell have read you say that to alot of other people.

Maybe its just me but it sure seems like yuou do play the I was in the military and you don't know what your talking about thing alot.

And by the way I didn't say all refugees but if I was a betting man ...there will be more then a few.

Ah, I don't have any "experience". Got it.

I forgot, you have experience all over the world and therefore your experience of being on a military base trumps my experience of living here when we discuss things relating to living here. Got it.

You went out to bars and got drunk and "smashed" women when overseas, Got it.

You do have military experience in Iraq or Afghanistan, and that does trump me in every way possible, I'll give you that, no doubt.

Where were you born again?

Ok.

Yes, I will play whatever card I like. If it's relevant to the topic, then the card is coming out like a Pokemon card deck.

It's my opinion that people who don't travel really are limited in their knowledge on what goes on in the world. All they can really on is the media.

So yea, I'll post where I've been, how long I've been there, whatever.

Now, people might think it's rude, being a jerk, whatever hey want to call me. I don't care.

There's people on the board that I listen to or at least consider when they post. Others, not so much when it comes to international relations.

Just like nobody here is required to listen to anything I have to say.

But I'm going to post what I post regardless

It very well could be a MUTUAL dis like..I won't quite say I hate anyone.

Look in lala land that idea sounds great..but in my life if I have problems with the same kind of peoples well..

I always told my sons if you are constantly pointing the finger at everyone else ..maybe the problem is you..but I digress my dealings on the whole have been bad with them.

Yes. Finally you get it.

I was born in Nuremberg Germany.

Jesus dude you lambaste people who are saying and doing the same thing you just said.

You know it all..other people a dumb and uninformed:/

And, just like you, I'm going to say what I say.

People lack experience.

But if that's what you got out of it, all well.

Whatever you say about me, I agree.

I don't discount anyone's opinion. I have learned things from the strangest people who I thought was retarded at first.

So, you're a german american with relatives that live in turkey?

I'm not German. Both my parents were military. They were stationed in Germany when I was born.

From 87-91.

Then from 98-2001, when they got out the army and we moved to cleveland.

I agree with you on that..Most of the voting population cant even tell you the three branches of government but vote..but damn someone doesn't have to be from somewhere else or been there to have a valid opinion.

When I was in Istanbul I Met people from all over the world..It FELT very transient sometimes..

Maybe not, but here's a level of understanding people will never get unless they go.

For example, are you gonna listen to your homeboy talk about Oktoberfest since he's actually been to Munich? Or you gonna listen to your other homeboy who has only watched a couple YouTube videos about it?

Istanbul is where east meets west.

I get that and agree to an extent..I have dealt with people who do talk out of their backside and it shows 1. they have no experience with said topic. 2. Probably wouldn't understand if you sat down and tried to explain in very thorough detail

Yes it does..

Lets not settle for opinion and face facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsq5ZRir-0k

Let them be your neighbors if you want. I'd rather they all die before becoming part of my country that they hate so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jy_yN-tRT8

Let them all suffer and die for all I care. The only good enemy is a dead one. Let them kill each other off.

i agree.

so i'm going to try and explain it for people to understand.

if you never left the country, what do you really know? you have a base level understanding..maybe.

so if i'm dragging you into this, sorry, but i'm using examples.

Rocket has lived amongst a completely different culture.
Eve, not sure about her but at least she's had a lebanese BF, so she has insight on the area.

but if the only experience you have is taking a cruise to the Caribbean's, what do you really know?

people talk a lot about sryians. ok. do they know the different dialects of the language, the religious sects, the places of importance? do they know the history past whatever been happening currently?

thats what i'm trying to get at. we have a bunch of people with very little knowledge on..well anything that pertains to that region of the world, thinking they know whats up over there.

i don't know whats up in suburbia, so other than the epidemic of heroin, i have zero knowledge on what its like growing up in a nice suburb or gated community.

and i don't pretend to know, either.

Man where do you and Ericinhell get the energy for this stuff..I've been on here for like 2 days it's kind of exausting

If I post on here more than 5 times in 10 minutes then I get off the site for awhile (Or just go into a different forum). I find it really helps from burning out. Just don't go back to superlurking again, the board needs new members and you're a bright guy.

I enjoy good discussions and I don't take opposing views personally. I might state an opinion vigorously but it's seldom very personal to me.

My daughters freaked me out yesterday when they told me I never stay mad for long. I can be a very forgiving person.

I just won't hold my hand out to help a rabid dog. I'd rather put it down to protect my children.

I care nothing about the middle east other than wishing it wasn't full of ignorant nutcases that want to commit atrocity after atrocity to themselves and to each other. You take away their oil and the rest of the world would just let them rot.

To me it's a little personal because I can't respect any people that treat women and little girls like they do as a culture. I'd kill a man that treated my daughters they way they do.Not all of them of course but enough of the majority that I just don't care to differentiate. I am no feminist by any stretch but something just can't be forgiven IMHO.

Ok now we have some common ground..I agree with that post. I live in how do I say without sounding like an ass..hmm...High middle class suburbia..I had to seriously adjust to these type of people.

I don't quite fit the mold look wise to my neighbors. They often insulted me when I first had our house built..that was after the 6 months for them to get the courage up to speak.

By insulting I mean they would straight up ask me where my money comes from to afford the house we are in:/ None of your freaking business..

Took 4yrs and being voted on to the board of the HOA for them to lighten up a bit..

You are not missing anything..back biting jealousy and alot of competing with th Jonses..

My wife and I sometimes joke it was easier to live in the housing projects then deal with some of the pettiness that comes with money.

You didnt drag me into anything..I had an epically bad day read something you wrote on race and I over reacted a bit..

Its all good. Like I told you..if we had met in person instead of a message board you would've probably been quite surprised how much we had in common..

I often do the same except maybe in 30 minute trends due to how long winded I can get =P

you just described me pretty well..I am way past the point of caring if someone calls me racist or bigoted like someone on here did yesterday.

I'm new to this posting stuff..I read the heck of a lot of boards but never post..Guess I need to pace myself..It is kind of wierd to read the varying opinions and say things to myself.

But to interject yourself in the conversations feels a little taxing sometimes.

Well, they really have had some help from Assad. 3 years of government-issued barrel bombs have destroyed more Syrian lives than ISIS.