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Well as long as there is stability regarding the QB position.
smh...not looking good for Pettine.
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Yep, just like Bowe is looking great in practice, how Gilbert is improving, how regardless how horrible we play there's "improvements" and etc. I support benching/cutting JF, but this time in the season, it's hard to believe the rhetoric Pettine says. And really, I preached about how I like Pettine because he's a straight shooter, wrong again I was. Jmo
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pettin just said, in conference, were goin with josh and seeing how it plays out....
it plays out...2-8 and manzel owns one of the wins!
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so Shurmur had "Battled"
and Pettine has "improvements"
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pettin just said, in conference, were goin with josh and seeing how it plays out....
it plays out...2-8 and manzel owns one of the wins! plays out in what though lol. we're 2-8 like you said. we ain't winning 6 more games. people can argue we won't win anymore. we already knows how this show ends
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I just reposted your article to make paragraphs, add the link and the pics. I did it mostly because it's one of the best takes on the issue I've seen published.  CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The response to the Snapchat video of Johnny Manziel, by the Browns and some media members, has been an epic overreaction, reeking of double standards and hypocrisy. Manziel was demoted to third-string QB for Monday Night's game after a Snapchat video captured the 22-year-old acting like a 22-year-old -- out having fun, drinking and singing along to rap songs, on an off day during the bye week. In contrast, Ben Roethlisberger will start again Sunday, after being accused of raping a woman in a bar in 2010, for which he was suspended six games by the NFL.  Manziel wasn't accused of raping anyone in the bar where he was photographed. He also wasn't indicted for two murders, during his off time, as Ray Lewis was in 2000. Prosecutors dismissed the charges after Lewis agreed to a plea-deal. The Snapchat video captured Manziel engaged in the kind of behavior that has been commonplace in the history of the NFL, from well before Joe Namath, to present-day, with the likes of the New England Patriots' All-Pro tight-end Rob Gronkowski. Manziel's now third on the Browns' QB depth chart, but at best, he's only been 25th on the depth chart of pro-sports party boys, well behind the likes of Gronkowski and Jeremy Shockey, to name a few. Would Mike Pettine demote Gronkowski to third-string for being an even bigger party animal than Manziel? Pettine began his coaching career with the Ravens. Did he ever suggest Lewis be demoted to third string for being implicated in the deaths of two men? It's incredibly naive to think Manziel is the only NFL player (including Cleveland Brown) who drank and partied during his team's bye week.  Back in the 1990s, Browns and Indians players were regulars at the local corner bar in the West Side suburb I lived in at the time. The players, including Indians' all-stars, would come in after games and on their off day. They weren't in there drinking tea. One of the reasons they kept coming back is because they didn't have to worry about getting hassled, or being filmed while they kicked back and enjoyed a round of spirits. For the Journalism profession and football media to wag a puritanical finger at Manziel is the height of hypocrisy. It wasn't really that long ago that whiskey flasks were as likely to be found in a reporter's desk as a notebook. Can't wait to hear the NFL Network's Michael Irvin's take on Manziel, given Irvin's off-the-field exploits during his playing days. A few facts to consider. Manziel is not a member of ISIS. Drinking when you're 22 is not illegal in the U.S., or the NFL. Using social media or being captured on social media is not illegal in the U.S., or the NFL. The reason for Manziel's rehab stint is not public knowledge. It's not known that he's even in the NFL's substance abuse program. It's not known if his treatment plan prohibits drinking. Manziel was not "on the job." He was on his own time. He returned to work [Saturdy and then] Monday showing up for a charity event. There are no reports that he showed up late, drunk or even hung over. If he did, Pettine would have a better case for his action. In fact, Pettine has said more than once that Manziel has been an "A +" employee inside the building. Josh McCown backed up that assessment this week. When I hear sports commentators say the video is another example that Manziel is incapable of doing the work required to be an effective QB in the NFL, I can almost hear the great Kenny Stabler laughing in his grave. Manziel showed he was perfectly capable when he led the Browns to one of their only two wins this season, in thrilling fashion. He showed he was capable multiple times over in the last two games, making plays that live up to his pre-draft hype; plays you'll never see McCown make. The reason being given for Manziel's demotion is that he violated the Browns trust and embarrassed the team. What utter nonsense. Nothing in that video embarrassed the Browns more than their 2-8 record. Nothing in that video embarrasses the Browns more than their horrible drafting. Pettine actually escalated the incident with the way he mishandled press questions about it. More adept coaches would have nipped it in the bud. Press: Any comment on the Manziel Snapchat? Coach: "No, do you have a football question? No? Next reporter..." Press: But don't you find the video disturbing? Coach: "Looks like he was having fun on his off day, next question." Imagine how Belichick, Ryan or Parcells would have put that story to bed in short order; Pettine poured gas on it. Amateur hour, all the way around. If anyone violated trust, and should be demoted for breaking their word it's Pettine, his staff, Farmer and the team owner. Fans were told the Browns would field a professional football team - one that would be run-based, built on the foundation of a strong line and one of the best defenses in the league. Pettine, Farmer and Haslam are the ones who completely failed in producing that, not the young QB they just demoted. Cleveland.com
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So is he saying that they expect future success with Manziel and this is one of the way to achieve it?
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funny how browns website says all of a sudden, ticket exchange..and show us your GO face...
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if i was johnny id ask to be released...old dudes that dont like what Gronk and manzel do. uncle Bill doesnt demote Gronk for party pics. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=gronkowski+drunk&FORM=HDRSC2
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Farmer and Pettine were in the same room at the same time when Manziel was selected. Haslam was there too, and some will state that this was a Haslam choice.
Accountability... yes accountability. Pettine and Farmer and Haslam knew they were drafting a hot mess of QB, Johnny Drama, came to Cleveland and wrecked it for sure.
Back to the drawing board, hopefully the next GM and coach will have a better plan than to pacify the Owner.
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pettin just said, in conference, were goin with josh and seeing how it plays out....
it plays out...2-8 and manzel owns one of the wins! plays out in what though lol. we're 2-8 like you said. we ain't winning 6 more games. people can argue we won't win anymore. we already knows how this show ends So what will we learn if we go 6-0 vs 0-6? Like last season when we replaced so much talent? Do we expect that much more than what we have seen all season with Josh or JM? Dang - if the FO and Coaching staff needs to see anything else at this point to make determinations on next year... really - what exactly unknown except that we can't seem to get any continuity on offense with a starting QB for more than a few weeks...?? 
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this must of made one coach real mad... link [edited by Ref-00 to shorten the link]
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cleveland browns daily says....johnny should stayed in cleveland and gotten strippers...thats better than drinking in a bar and rapping?
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cleveland browns daily says....johnny should stayed in cleveland and gotten strippers...thats better than drinking in a bar and rapping? Yes.
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Does Gronk lie to Belichick on the regular too?
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Wonder how the likes of Whitey Ford,Billy Martin,The Bambino(Yanks had to get him out the cooler,further sober him in time for him to be lineup),Johnny Podres,Bobby Layne would have spared Pettine's rath. They have stools next to the Mick and Joe Willie.
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Does Gronk lie to Belichick on the regular too? It's really sad many don't see what is really going on here. Discipline. Pettine lost it last year and got a second chance. I hope he tossed chairs in the locker room and a few f-bombs. This team won 2 f'n games...TWO. I hope Pettine has shown this much inside the ranks as we are seeing from the outside. This team is about to roll over and lose ever damm game to save themselves for next year. I hope Haslam gives Pettin and Farmer extensions. Maybe the owner will get a big enough pair to send a message instead of rewarding mediocre.
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Wonder how the likes of Whitey Ford,Billy Martin,The Bambino(Yanks had to get him out the cooler,further sober him in time for him to be lineup),Johnny Podres,Bobby Layne would have spared Pettine's rath. They have stools next to the Mick and Joe Willie. Truth be told all of the guys you mentioned did a hell of a lot more on the field than Johnny. Another fact, Babe Ruth was once suspended for nearly half a season by manager Miller Huggins because of his partying ways. 1925, I think.
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I'm done backing Pettine. Hope he's fired after we lose to the QBless Ravens this week.
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I'm done backing Pettine. Hope he's fired after we lose to the QBless Ravens this week.
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I'm done backing Pettine. Hope he's fired after we lose to the QBless Ravens this week.
jmho KEEP PETTINE! The more I think about it the more ticked I am. As I mentioned in the Manziel thread, maybe Pet should worry about his teams on field discipline before he worries about a guy drinking on his off week. He runs the most undisciplined team in the league, yet he is going to put the hammer down about a completely non-football issue that affected nothing. Priceless. He didn't want attention brought to the franchise because of a players action, yet he turned this situation into a circus. My thought is, the players like Pet because it is the easiest football job they've had. They don't work hard, can slack off, and still get paid handsomely. Of course they like him, the only person in the team that apparently is held accountable for anything is Johnny, and it isn't even football related. Yep, we've got the best group of choir boys in the league! Woohoo! It is working out well for us. I want football players, as long as they aren't doing anything illegal (aside from pot, I could care less about that).
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We have guys with thin resumes at GM, head coach, offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. How was that ever supposed to work?
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I'm done backing Pettine. Hope he's fired after we lose to the QBless Ravens this week.
jmho KEEP PETTINE! The more I think about it the more ticked I am. As I mentioned in the Manziel thread, maybe Pet should worry about his teams on field discipline before he worries about a guy drinking on his off week. He runs the most undisciplined team in the league, yet he is going to put the hammer down about a completely non-football issue that affected nothing. Priceless. He didn't want attention brought to the franchise because of a players action, yet he turned this situation into a circus. My thought is, the players like Pet because it is the easiest football job they've had. They don't work hard, can slack off, and still get paid handsomely. Of course they like him, the only person in the team that apparently is held accountable for anything is Johnny, and it isn't even football related. Yep, we've got the best group of choir boys in the league! Woohoo! It is working out well for us. I want football players, as long as they aren't doing anything illegal (aside from pot, I could care less about that). Yep. He's not Johnny's Daddy! His ONLY job is to win games, how does this help? He went too far here, OVER REACH. I don't agree with Johnny's partying, but I agree much less with "disciplining" him for doing what young guys do.
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Ray farmer is looking for our next QB in a convent! IDIOTS
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I'm done backing Pettine. Hope he's fired after we lose to the QBless Ravens this week.
jmho KEEP PETTINE! The more I think about it the more ticked I am. As I mentioned in the Manziel thread, maybe Pet should worry about his teams on field discipline before he worries about a guy drinking on his off week. He runs the most undisciplined team in the league, yet he is going to put the hammer down about a completely non-football issue that affected nothing. Priceless. He didn't want attention brought to the franchise because of a players action, yet he turned this situation into a circus. My thought is, the players like Pet because it is the easiest football job they've had. They don't work hard, can slack off, and still get paid handsomely. Of course they like him, the only person in the team that apparently is held accountable for anything is Johnny, and it isn't even football related. Yep, we've got the best group of choir boys in the league! Woohoo! It is working out well for us. I want football players, as long as they aren't doing anything illegal (aside from pot, I could care less about that). Yep. He's not Johnny's Daddy! His ONLY job is to win games, how does this help? He went too far here, OVER REACH. I don't agree with Johnny's partying, but I agree much less with "disciplining" him for doing what young guys do. ...and apparently promised he wouldn't. He "may be" on a slippery downhill slope...
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End of the Day, Johnny embarrassed Pettine. Trust and accountability?... Where is HIS accountability? I certainly don't trust Pettine to be a GOOD coach, why should I trust his wisdom to know what Johnny needs? He Sucks!
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End of the Day, Johnny embarrassed Pettine. Trust and accountability?... Where is HIS accountability? I certainly don't trust Pettine to be a GOOD coach, why should I trust his wisdom to know what Johnny needs? He Sucks! IMO, Pettine wants things done a certain way, right, wrong, or indifferent. Manziel is trying to demonstrate he can be a young twenty something and still succeed. Still do things mostly the Pettine way. He went home, partied, was back at the facility a day early, and even participated in a charity event in which he appeared completely sober and engaged. But the partying does not fit Pettine's choir boy image. I believe he asked Manziel not to do it and he agreed...then he did it anyway. At the end of the day Manziel did not keep his word. Also, at the end of the day Pettine is not good coach. There is so much wrong in Berea it's heart breaking for us diehards.
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I am by no means exonerating Pettine. Where are the adjustments? Where is the discipline? Where is the improvement?
Seriously, is it that hard to do learn from mistakes and get at least on par with Marvin Lewis or Ron Rivera?
But there's no way I criticize him for demoting Manziel. The kid went against what he said he'd do. I'll go further and say his needing to go into rehab in the first place was a lie.
I'm in the camp that says if there's not a replacement who is GUARANTEED to be a great replacement, then Pettine should just stay. But he better take the rest of this season and offseason to get it the hell together.
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Pet wants guys to walk the straight and narrow, thats fine, some coaches cant coach personalites but at the end of the day, you gotta be able to produce and show that you can adjust as things change.
If I am Haslam, I do clean house. I know Jimmy has a thing for college coaches but I really dont want to go that route. The thing he needs is a common sense GM. You and the GM find the coach that he understands and he can work with.
Mostly, we need to decide who we are and what we are and develop it. In line or zone? West Coast, Vertical stretch, Pro set or whatever just choose a system and hire accordingly. The same for Defense, I hate the 3-4, we keep trying it and we never manage to get a 3-4 scheme to work. I go with the old Jim Johnson Phily blitzing 4-3. Backers with speed that can get to the QB.
Scot McCloughan would be a strong hire as GM, I also would not hire without kicking the tires on Duke Tobin of the Bengals but McCloughan would be my main target. He built that 49ers team that Harbaugh and company got credit for.
Dont just randomize. Decide what you want and take the steps to make it happen.
Second thoughts Tobin would probably be the guy I would want, he doesnt overthink the draft at all.
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If we fire this staff who would be dumb enough to even consider taking the jobs? We have Pet & Farmer because they were the last unasked candidates. LOL
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If we fire this staff who would be dumb enough to even consider taking the jobs? We have Pet & Farmer because they were the last unasked candidates. LOL
anyone that wants 10 million for less than 2 years work?
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If we fire this staff who would be dumb enough to even consider taking the jobs? We have Pet & Farmer because they were the last unasked candidates. LOL
For some reason I don't think either Farmer or Pettine get fired. Just a "gut feeling."
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