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This is why it's hard to post on here without getting frustrated.

The double standards are amazing. Let a black dude shoot up PP, and the same people would be calling this guy a thug and all the other nonsense. But these white guys do the majority of mass shootings, and it's always chalked up to be "mental illness".

I'm wonder why can't minorities get the mental illness excuse? It almost NEVER happens.

On this topic, this was an act of terror. Straight up. People want to dance around the issue, once again dodging questions like the matrix, instead of calling it what it is: terror.

We so quick to call everything else terrorism is a brown skin guy with a turbin does it, but when a white guy does it, not only did people not want to call it terrorism, they call it mental illness, and THEN didn't even post a thread about it.

But the same people will be quick to post a thread about blacks rioting, calling them savages, or something about minorities on welfare, or anything where a minority was a suspect in a crime.

This was an act of terror, we all know why he shot up the place. There's no coincidence that it was PP. THEN Fox News trying to spin out of it with their BS bank robbery gone wrong crap.

But see, nobody is gonna understand why I'm frustrated with the media and society. People on this board just gonna chalk it up to me race baiting again, because they want to continue ignoring the deep issues that run in the dark shadows of this country.

Thanks for giving me a second look. Classy.

Like I said to Von Doom, it meets my personal definition of an act of terror. (It was nice however to see enough overlap to make me look at least semi-legit... hehehe)




I'm usually pretty good at making sure I don't confuse my fact-based posts with the opinion-based ones. Usually, you'll see a .02 at the bottom of those opinion ones. That's how I say: "my two cents worth." When I do that, I'm acknowledging that my opinion isn't worth any more than anyone else's. Kinda the same as you using 'idk'... Just a quirk of my writing style.

Wrong.
Your use of "Nobody" is incorrect.
I understand why.
That's at least one person. And trust me, there are more. And they're frustrated for their own reasons, too.

Dawg, I have underwear that is as old as you. Your frustration is nothing new. I'm old.... so my anger and frustration has mellowed to a general 'pissyness' where this stuff is concerned. It never goes away, it never changes- and after awhile, you just get tired of

It's not even specific posters on this board that I'm talking about. It's everywhere in America- and it's so ubiquitous, folks can't see it. In most cases, Swish, it's not even their fault. To further your "Matrix" analogy: there are a ton of Americans who were never really given Neo's choice between the blue pill and the red one. They 'swallowed the blue' when they were swallowing Flintstones chewables as kids. Most of them, you'll never reach, no matter how hard you try.

And then there are those who were only allowed the red pill- because of how this country works. My pill might have been 'pinker' than yours... but that's a symptom of Our National Illness, too.


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Post like you need to, young man.
I'll debate with you when I see things differently, and I'll have your back when we see things the same way.

You are not alone this time.


And here was the clincher for me: When Dylan Roof slew nine of his fellow Americans, he was clear in his motives. He stated them outright, as he raised the lethal weapon... and spilled the blood of innocents upon the floor of a House of Christ. And less than 24 hours later, spin artists were making themselves dizzy trying to attach the 'mental illness' tag
to this terrorist.

Dude stated up-front that he wanted to incite a race war here in America.

Act of domestic terror, straight up. Home-grown. No getting around it.
Carried out on American soil.
Against American citizens.

Large numbers of Black Americans once again feared for their lives, and the lives of their children and neighbors (...let's go back to my original definition of 'acts of terror,' shall we? Thank you. -I rest my case).

A terrorist can look like anyone you see on the streets. They can wear turbans, hijabs, Nikes, or flannel shirts and jeans. They can bomb American soldiers in Afghanistan, and they can shoot up a summer camp of school-aged Muslims in Scandinavia.

How we view each tells as much about us as those that make "the news"....

...and I read every single one of these posts.
So I already know who is whom.

Not sure why you're taking this personally or why you resorted to name calling. When my Father died in 2007 some of the kindest words I recall reading on th old board were from you. That being said, I'm going to give you some time before I respond to your post with facts, and with out emotion. May God bless you and your family.

i feel you man. i'm just....really frustrated.

man Clem, this guy killed a police officer, and got arrested?

man damn near every time a black dude even shoots at the police it's HEAD HUNTING season here. we rarely just get arrested.

all i want is for this society to truly treat everyone as equals. if you're gonna pop people for shooting at the police, pop EVERYBODY, then i will have nothing to complain about.

we even treat scumbags differently here in the states based off skin tone.

and religion, apparently.

Lets keep this simple. Guy hates abortion, so guy goes and aborts other people's lives.

aye Ray, back off, i got him.

first off, every the bible and the quran endorses tons of barbaric crap. both send the same message. the quran says only to kill non believers IF, AND ONLY IF, they are being violent and intolerant toward you.

and yes, the bible has similar scriptures. so i dunno where you get your facts from, but i'm going to start wondering if you even actually read these two.

you trying to spin the mental illness crap is exactly why i'm heated. you're still doing it.

and now finally, you and others are gonna get this work, no longer can you guys cry and complain, or claim ignorance on this topic. no excuses anymore.

why are we not crying over black on black crime?

because when daquan shoots tyrone, daquan goes to jail. the justice system seems to work perfectly fine then.

when a cop shoots unarmed tyrone, he gets paid leave. all of a sudden, the justice system has tons of loopholes.

when whites do a mass shootings, its a mental illness, when minorities shoot somebody, it's "oh he was in a gang" and all that crap. then we get called every name in the book, including savages, animals, barbarians. and i love the occasional "go back to africa" post i constantly see on social media.

when a black person commits a crime or shooting, society wants this guy in jail or executed instantly.

when a white guy does it, JUST LIKE IN THIS THREAD, it's "oh, we don't know all the facts, yet"

there ain't no double standards coming me and Victor's way. look in the mirror.

Ted has a point Rocket. There have been plenty of threads that talk about race relations, the inner city, etc... and you guys constantly give gangs a pass. You guys center the conversation about what other (white) people should be doing to change the inner city. Invest more, spend more money, provide more jobs, provide for better education, etc etc Hell, there was a thread last week trying to take white people to task because they don't "care" enough... yet I've never once seen any of you attribute the conditions to gangs. Gangs are what make the schools unsafe to learn in, which means you can't get an education, which means you can't get a job. If you even got the education, you'd still have a hard time finding a job because gangs have made the areas too dangerous for anyone to want to start a business in. Gangs are responsible for the drug addiction in the inner city that leads addicts to victimize the decent people to feed their habit. If 100 black men in a year are killed in confrontations with police and we are to believe that it is an "epidemic", then that means the 5,000 black men killed in gang/drug related violence is genocide. These things contribute to poverty more than "white privilege". Its not "white privilege" selling crack on the corner or sex trafficking teenage girls, it's not a car load of "white privilege" that drives by a neighborhood and shoots it up. It wasn't "white privilege" that executed a 9yr old boy this week.

Clem, love your stuff.. but can you see the problems when we start changing definitions to meet our own personal viewpoint? This is exactly what happened to the term "mental illness". Very few people are qualified to actually make that determination, yet society at large have become armchair psychologists and throw that word around casually to describe things that they simply don't understand.

Swish, in all fairness, in this thread there are plenty of people saying this guy needs to get the death penalty, life, etc... I don't see anyone giving him a pass. The only thing I see people saying "wait for the facts" is the disagreement as to whether or not this qualifies as terrorism.

Yep..

1 more yep..

Youre on a roll now...

and in all the other threads? we aren't just talking about this one bro. this is an ongoing problem on this board, and in this country period.

nobody is giving "gangs" a pass.

but whats annoying is that when we talk about certain situations, you guys wanna spin out of it and then go "but but but, what about the gangs?"

what about them? they go to jail and put on death row when they kill somebody.

how bout everybody else?

As this guy was not reported as yelling 'ahallu akbar' during his shooting rampage, we can't discount this being a terror attack as quickly as our president does when someone does yell that phrase.

so verbage matters?

so i go shoot up a school, and i yell "i hate nikes" or "i love you mom!!"

is that a terrorist attack?

I know you guys don't condone gang activity, but This is exactly what I mean when I say you guys are giving them a pass... what about them? they go to jail and put on death row when they kill somebody.

In two short sentences you completely dismissed the massive impact that gangs have in their communities. What about when they don't kill anybody? What about all the other activity they are involved in? You guys never want to talk about that. Blame others for spin, but you just say yeah, there's a little dirt, and sweep it under the rug.

Yep which is why I wrote about in previous post..the race bait'n folks very RARELY bring the gang thing to the forefront when complaining about how they are treated in the neighborhoods..ect..You want to label terrorists well they have them running in droves in their hood..killing sexually assaulting..extorting and other numerous crap.

You want me to care more well start marching on your own neighborhood..and direct your energy towards the terrorists in your own community..Then you can coime point your finger at me and tell me I'm not helping/doing enough.

Man this is a hot button issue for me..and just for clarity sake I am not calling anyone in the thread a race bait;n folk..I'm just saying.

I will say I do agree with you that the whole "mental illness" label is not thrown around equally. That's why I don't make that claim in these issues unless there is something to actually back that up. Like in my reply to Clem, its one of those things where people have become armchair psychologists and they use it to rationalize what they don't understand.

man Devil thats crap and you know it. Clem has gave personal stories about gangs, Victor has, i have MULTIPLE times about the effect gangs have on inner city kids.

we don't give them a pass on anything. we talk about gang violence it seems at least once a week on this board. once again, you're trying to spin, when it boils down to you and others simply having selective memory.

right NOW, we're talking about people and murder. if you want to talk about the effects gangs and other groups have on society, by all means make a thread about it, and i promise, at least my first couple responses will be fair and objective before somebody says some odd ball stuff.

but in THIS thread, we're talking about how people seem to get excuses and pass when it comes to shootings and killings. all due respect, but you're definitely trying to press circle on the playstation controller right now.

i agree, and i don't understand how it's become so popular though. was there always a history of people throwing the mental illness excuse out there, or is this a much recent occurrence?

In my opinion ... a "terrorist attack" needs to consist of two things: Some sort of group planning and some sort of political/religious ideology. That's why gang murders and individuals that fly off the handle and shoot up places aren't really considered terrorist attacks. It's also why groups like the IRA and McVeigh/Nichols are very much though of as terrorists. If the guys at Columbine were doing what they did in the name of some sort of "ideology", it would probably be considered an act of domestic terrorism as well.

Now, I can't speak for what the idiotic press calls things though.

anyway, here's some stuff:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...0b1f_story.html

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-shooting-at-planned-parenthood-put-gop-2016-203438711.html

now, i don't like Obama crying about gun violence, we've had enough of that rhetoric this year.

however, why are a lot of republicans silent on this?

there's a ton of media outlets wondering why Cruz is the only guy who spoke out against this? maybe there's a few more?

it seems like the shooting in PP and their ideology is conflicting.

so basically it boils down to "i hate abortions, but i can't really condone this shooting....uhhhhhhhhhhh".

right NOW, we're talking about people and murder. [/quote]

I'm confused do gangs not do this^^ and Ive never heard them referred to as terrorists..though by the very definition they are..which is a sticking point in this thread..white nut shoots people up..terrorist...gangs shoot people up on a daily basis in this country..not labeled terrorist..labeled disenfranchised youth:/

And Swish I know you understand this topic well..but your own people take whitey to task..but the blm and al sharpton types seem to excuse and don;t go after the gang stuff and SEEM to excuse/make excuses for that:/

ok, that makes sense. thanks.

so if it's somebody doing it in the name of <insert group>, terrorist act. i can agree with that.

what about religion though? if somebody yells the arabic phrase, but doesn't claim a group, is it still terrorism?

same thing with christianity. if i yell "jesus will rise again!", but i don't belong to a group?

and then with this specific guy:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/plan...re-baby-n470706

so, sources are saying the guy said "no more baby parts". IF thats confirmed, would you consider that a clear objective as a terrorist attack?

i'm just wondering because like you said, the media, and hell, us as people aren't really clear on what deems a terrorist act.

personally, just IMO, i consider all mass shootings a terrorist attack.

I'm confused do gangs not do this^^ and Ive never heard them referred to as terrorists..though by the very definition they are..which is a sticking point in this thread..white nut shoots people up..terrorist...gangs shoot people up on a daily basis in this country..not labeled terrorist..labeled disenfranchised youth:/

And Swish I know you understand this topic well..but your own people take whitey to task..but the blm and al sharpton types seem to excuse and don;t go after the gang stuff and SEEM to excuse/make excuses for that:/ [/quote]

dude....i've acknowledged how many times already that gangs commit murder?

if you want to consider them terrorist groups, by all means, go right ahead. i'll jump on the bandwagon with you, because i agree.

but i'm not arguing that. what Devil is talking about is all the other gang activity that doesn't involve murders, and we aren't talking about that.

as far as sharpton goes, i never supported him. he only shows up when there's a pay day. i've made that abundantly clear on this board.

i've already explained to you and others on this board what the BLM movement is all about.

just like there's TONS of agencies in this country that battle specific things, BLM is doing that as well, targeting specific thing. We have groups that protest all the other stuff you're talking about.

they just don't get any media coverage. i share stuff like that on my FB timeline all the time.

Maybe theyre silent because all of the facts arent in?? not prudent to have a foot in the mouth moment?? And I don't believe for 1 second just because they r prolife..they are condoning this or even remotely think its ok..or..and good that will show that dirty planned parenthood.

I could have misread ur post..

In full disclosure I have been away from the threads for a bit, so maybe you guys have talked about that specific subject more lately, but I'm sorry, the majority of the conversations and commentary have NOT centered around the massive impact gangs have. MOst discussion is based upon how white people don't care enough, how thug is the new N word, and how people are wrong to stereotype youth with their pants off their ass. We'll have to agree to disagree on this I guess.

BTW, I'm Xbox... lol

As to the mental illness comments... I want to say it's been a more recent phenomena.. maybe the last 10yrs? It's during this time that I think mental health had become put in front of society. I don't know why specifically, but there just seemed to be an increase in awareness. Maybe it was related to the spike in ADD an stuff? Anyway, its like anything else where people have a tendency to want to come off as smarter on a subject than they really are. I've heard countless people describe someone else's behavior as "bipolar" simply because they didn't think it was "normal".

Now the WHY is it not used equally? Sad fact I think, is that in terms of how society views things, blacks killing blacks has been accepted as "how things are". I don't know how many people are surprised by it. I'm by NO means saying its fair or justified. A lot of this has been drilled in to society as a whole by the media. I know you have always been a major critic of the media when it comes to these issues. They have an agenda and they will present things they way they need to in order to further that agenda. They present inner city violence as common place to the point it's considered normal. They then further marginalize black victims and we've talked before how, how a pretty blonde gets murdered and she'll get news stories for days, yet the 10yr old black girl skipping rope catches a bullet and no one beyond the local news viewing area will ever know who she is.

We need unbiased journalism, but I wonder how many people truly want it?

If we are in a label dispute, how about we just call them murderers? If it's what they are proven to have done, and in this case that one is already answered, he's a murderer. I could care less if he's sane, nuts or any variation of the two. He's scum (a secondary label that works for me) and we don't need to waste any tax dollars on him.

You premeditatedly take a life, you should pay with a life. Just not sure why there has to be an argument about this.

This wasn't a terrorist attack in the sense that we know today.

I havent forgot the Facebook thing be patient I have alot going on and will add you when I get back home...

I understand you acknowledged they commit murder it would be kind of hard not to yes?

Its 4 in the morning here bruh i may be a little slow and like i said misread/interpreted post..havent slept in days when I'm used to getting/needing plenty of rest.

so sorry for any confusion its not intentional

yep i agree

Can tell by your posts your on the front line..and no I don't think we will EVER SEE truly unbiased reporting..

i would love to have unbiased journalism.


one thing i hate with regards to the media is when you see a cop shoot a black, it's always "WHITE COP shoots BLACK man".

why can't it just be cop shoots man?

but have you notice that when a black guy does a murder, a lot of the articles leave out race. i have to constantly google the name just to see who did it.

if they are gonna include race in media reporting, do it across the board.

but i'd prefer they leave race out. cop shoots man/woman. man shoots cop.

idiots start rioting over shooting. idiots start rioting over football game.

we argue about it because it's rarely ever viewed that way. there's always gotta be a spin on it.

Again, IMO, but if a guy yells Islamic or Christian phrases and shoots up a place without any sort of group affiliation, he's a nut. I believe that Oregon State shooter from a few months ago was Muslim, but I'm not sure that was really considered by most people to be a "terrorist" attack. (Then again I can't speak for the idiots in the press)

If this guy that shot up an abortion clinic turns out to have co-conspirators, then yeah, he's a domestic terrorist. We just haven't heard anything about that yet.

ok i see what you mean.

Good post

thanks. its almost 930 here. i woke up at 6 out of habit. and i'm a morning person, so i wake up turnt up to the max.