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mac, my entire freaking point was that he should never have had to kick such a long FG. OMG.............y'all kill me.

Just trying to give you facts since you call others out when you think they're wrong. As far as arguing nonsense, I'll leave that to you. Your the expert in that field.

This season was tanked from the start without even trying.

So, you are saying talking about the mismanagement of the clock is nonsense?

Okie dokie.

I would believe this is there was a really good player worth tanking for in the upcoming draft... I just don't see that. I'm sure we will find someone to pick at #1 or #2, but IMHO there are no 15yr change the franchises' destiny type players in this draft class.

I believe it because the Brown's FO seem incompetent.

Not by me. And really is it a good thing considering who's avail and looking at our draft history since 99?

Eo: Who's in the top 5 in this years draft? I have no idea.

My logic RIGHT!

...a franchise of fools that can only hit on one offensive lineman in 15 yr's. We needed oline help this year going in and it was that obvious to me.

I will never condone tanking a season. It hasn't gotten the Colts anywhere thus far and P. Manning went to a SB with Denver.

Our FO is stocked with fools and they will miss again and again until they get the right combo in GM and HC.

Didn't see this sorry if it was already posted.

Mike Pettine wants to see Johnny Manziel... weekly thing'


BEREA, Ohio -- Johnny Manziel still has time to dig himself out of the doghouse this season.

[/color]Coach Mike Pettine indicated Wednesday that he'll probably start Manziel again sometime over the final four games despite the fact Austin Davis will get the nod Sunday against the Bengals.

"I talked to the quarterbacks this morning and I said given where we are, what our circumstances are, it's safe to say now that this is a weekly thing,'' said Pettine. "The decision was made, it's Austin for this week and I'm not going to go beyond that."

Pettine acknowledged that the club still wants to see what Manziel can do down the stretch. The Browns will likely have a top five pick and need to decide if they have to draft a quarterback.

"We'll revisit this,'' Pettine said. "These are two players that we both want to see play is the bottom line. I don't want to declare, 'hey, this is what it's going to be here on out.' These are two young quarterbacks that have upside and we want to see what that upside is. So Austin's the guy for this week.''

Asked what Manziel has to do to work himself back into good graces, Pettine said, "just continue to work.''

Pettine said he's not worried about his players having to adjust to two quarterbacks in the home stretch.

"I don't because I don't think our guys are strangers to that,'' he said. "If you look at last year, we ended up playing three [quarterbacks]. I know in recent history or not so recent history for a variety of circumstances that there's been different guys playing quarterback. There hasn't been the continuity that we're all searching for at that position. I think our guys have dealt with it.

"Those guys in the offensive huddle, I don't see any issues. If you look at the quarterback room and the production and the leadership that has come from it this year, and you say, 'Let's rank what our issues have been, what our problems have been,' that room's not near the top.''

Pettine acknowledged that he wasn't quite ready to spring Manziel from the doghouse just yet, where he landed for lying to the coaches about his partying over the bye weekend.

To be fair, you once told me you never want the Browns to trade up for a RB again because of what happened with Trent Richardson or to draft a QB at #22 again because of Manziel, Weeden, and Quinn. You said it would be insane to do either of those in the future based on what happened in the past.

can we stop investing in the line and get some DAMN PLAYMAKERS please?

can we stop trading back in the draft and get THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE DRAFT, please?

i'm sick of winning the lotto of picks in the draft, it hasn't helped us win any damn games.

Love your comment on Cook, he seems to have what we need. JMHO, JM has proven he can't be trusted...he's a drunk and liar...if that's the face of the franchise then I guess I need a new team to root for...any guy who puts himself into rehab, then blows it several times over several weeks, tells you he'll take care of business, doesn't and then lies to your face....in what other professional career does that happen. None to my knowledge. I'm retired military, as officer he'd been done his first DUI...done, change careers, and this idiot is paid millions....JMHO, PO they knew he was drunk and still picked him....all caps...DUMB!!! All choir boys....hell, no, but drunks stopped playing qb in NFL back in the 50s...Bobby Layne and all those amateurs, don't cut Manziel, trade him for something AND give Gordon one more chance, then can him too.....GO Browns!!!!

He's most likely done in Clev and he never was arrested or got a DUI. But whatever. JM will be ok after we trade him.

People change opinions like the wind when the team has been in such disarray over the past years.

Very true.

Brian Hoyer

Yep, and there is still dead weight on this team holding others back. Remember when they bought Jim Leonhard to get things moving on the defense last year. Who took his place?

The kick was lower than it needed to be. I've watched that FG a dozen times, I went to youtube and watched other NFL kickers make 50 yard FGs.. our OL didn't do a bad job, they weren't shoved back any more than any of the other attempts I saw, the guy that blocked it wasn't David Thompson, he didn't have a 40" vertical.. the kick was low.

That said, the fact that it was 50 yards was our own fault.

J/c...

Got real tired of seeing what Gruden thought, so I changed the topic back to it's original...

I could care less about Gruden... he doesn't eat dinner with his family because he doesn't like the way they eat..

Wow. Really?

If that's true, it's really sad

I wanted to share this hilarious fan comment from the CBS sports website. It was in response to an article about Austin Davis being named the Browns' 24th starting QB:

"HarryTheCat
1 hour ago
BREAKING NEWS: Manziel traded to Ringling Brothers for an animal act and a trapeze girl to be named later. In a surprise move, the Browns announced plans to have a random fan pulled from the stands to play QB each week for the rest of the season. In order to accommodate the new "QB of the Week", the playbook will be shortened to two plays -- the strip sack and the squib punt."

Here's the article: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foot...rowns-qb-jersey

I find it impossible to believe that Haslam could be happy with not starting Manziel at this point, especially since I believe he is the one who insisted on drafting him. He may have gone along with benching him for a game after JFF lied, but surely he wants to see the kid play.
This is an in-your-face move by Pettine, who I am now fairly sure will not be back next year. What he really should be doing is whatever Haslam wants, so he could have a chance of buying another season. Because he will never be in demand as a head coach again. HIs stock as a future defensive coordinator is even in the crapper. It may not all be his fault, but 2-14 or 3-13 or whatever means he has been a complete disaster.

Yeah I Listened to the presser. My take away is the rest of the season is a practice. The more I think about it the more it looks like a tanked season, as if every other season isn't right?

Oh well draft season is upon us again. Our yearly SB. Go Brown's

Our left side failed. Dray completed whiffed on his block and he tripped Schwartz who ended up on his butt. Erving was being pushed back by two guys cause of Schwartz and the blocker came in between Erving and Shelton who also was double teamed. The blocker was leaning forward through that gap and yes a very low kick, he got his hand on it. Then our marvelous tackling ability kicked in and a TD run ensued. It was the perfect storm of bad field goal attempts.

Like Hoyer or McCown?

Fff

Then why, week after week, is our QB almost unable to drag his bones off the field?

The 49ers, I think, have checked out Johnny Manziel from afar. Colin Kaepernick has been banished, essentially, from that organization. Nobody expects him back. They have short- and long-term needs at that position. They would be a potential destination. Now, again, you're just speaking to people, and we're adding 1 and 1, equals 2, but those are the three spots that make the most sense after this season.

ESPN's Adam Schefter made an appearance on the Dan Patrick Show today to discuss the future of Johnny Manziel. SI's Andrew Perloff is tweeting out some quotations from the show, and he dropped a particularly interesting one suggesting the 49ers were one of a few teams that have taken a look at the Browns wayward quarterback.



The 49ers quarterback future is unsettled, with Colin Kaepernick likely released or traded after this season. Blaine Gabbert is signed through next season, and has shown some notable signs of life after being historically bad in Jacksonville. Beyond that, the team has rookie Dylan Thompson, recently activated from the practice squad, and McLeod Bethel-Thompson, currently on the practice squad.

I don't even know where to begin with this rumor. Even if the 49ers think Blaine Gabbert is an option for 2016, they still need competition for him, and a long-term plan in mind. I think Gabbert can be a transition option, but I'm still not sure if he is a guy you plan around for the next five years. Of course, I don't see how Manziel is that kind of quarterback right now given all his off-field issues, let alone his inconsistency on the field. But it at least makes for an interesting story.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/12/3/9842198/49ers-johnny-manziel-rumors-quarterback

Would they really go with another "dual threat" QB that's not as strong, tall or fast as the guy they're getting rid of? Even assuming that they buy into the narrative that Manziel is Joe Namath come again and can light it up on Sunday after lighting up on Saturday night, could they afford to take that chance?

Hey, another negative Manziel post from Stetson.

Do you EVER talk about anything else other than demonizing Manziel?

Do you ever talk about anything else other than demonizing other posters?

Versatile Dog, demonizing Manziel....ANYONE supporting JF needs to review the facts...he was known drunk in college, won Heisman, made himself an icon in eyes of young with his college play and his money symbol-his brand...smart business man, but still a drunk..."let's wreck the NFL...not short on bravado....his first season is complete bust- doesn't know playbook, can't cope with speed of game and playing against men...gets hurt and misses treatment....sees the light and enters rehab....should have learned he can't control liquor....but relapses...and lies about it to whole organization...AND..asks his buddies to lie for him....thinks the truth can't come out in the internet/information age......How can a billion dollar plus organization keep him as a leader....how do you trust him EVER again.....don't see it...Coach Cowher has it right...cut him or get what you can for him...demonize....he isn't a demon....he is broken and JMHO unfixable......Go Browns!!!!

Do you know him personally?

Because if you don't, your comments are over the top.

I get how you could make comments like that about someone like Gordon, or Aldon Smith, or Greg Hardy.......but, Manziel has never had a DUI, a drug bust, charged w/beating a woman severely, been suspended by the league, etc...

Again, Johnny is a polarizing figure. Never saw a guy that was hated more than him by the fans other than perhaps DA.

I don't get it either. Manzeil has made strides in his play. He clearly knows the playbook, although a poster above suggest he doesn't. He was making the correct adjustments, and producing from the pocket against the Steelers. I see potential from him, as it seems he is putting in e work to get better.

IMO, he tried to save face by telling the coaches a lie. I understand that would piss them off. But all I'm reading about him now, is not about his play, bt about him partying and lying to the staff, even though, he showed up in Berea a day early, and was back to work.

I get the one game benching, but him sitting the rest of the year is foolish. Even if they want to part ways, it is in their best interest to let him show if he can compete at a good level. If he plays well, and they still want to get rid of him, his stock would rise. By sitting him, they will get squat for him, as he will still be an unknown. Who knows, maybe he can be a very good player. Anybody suggesting that he definitely won't has not payed attention to the progress he has made so far.
People hate him just to hate him. I see it in the media, and foremost from this fanbase. It actually sickens me. I want him to play, so the record is set straight. If he lights it up, you keep him and help him work on his off field problems. If he stinks it up, nothing is lost.

Some act as if they are using his troubles as a scapegoat for this pathetic season. That is not fair IMO. The defense and the loss of the Oline coach are more the problem as I see it. Our QBing has not been that bad.

People are going to hate. That is just how society is now. I believe the younger generations have no respect and no morals. They call people garbage, and belittle others without blinking an eye. It is sad.

In todays world, if a kid is drafted as a QB, and doesn't play like Brady immediately, the fans throw him to the curb. Forget about a player developing, nowadays, it is instant greatness, or you are called garbage.

Cleveland fans like to boast that they are the best in the league. But I don't see other fan bases bashing and demonizing their players like Browns fans do. It's pathetic.