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Yea, but if they got there and the suspicious items were just a make shift ticking clock, the city would have been sued for $15,000,000...

Your the one who brought it up again...and unless you knew something I hadnt heard yet...maybe you need to get over it..gees.. surveillance? over noisy neighbors...umm ok.

Certainly over it

It might improve tracking the illegal sales and improve recognizing if someone has an issue with mental illness.

You have to pass an eye examine to get a license. Maybe there should be some regular process for owning guns.

You didn't hear that the neighbor never said they where noisy. So I guess I do know something you haven't heard.

Rock, 99% of they time tracing the gun isnt the problem..actually when you get down to brass tacks..they figure where the gun come from pretty damned fast.

Now your point on the keeping track of mentally ill They fail horribly in the nics system. Especially from state to state records or relaying it to the nics folks.

That can and should be improved.

What you just read is the extreme right wing nut type I spoke of a day or two ago. There are so many people that have great conservative values. Who sincerely believe that they stand for what would be best for this country. Then you have what you just read.

Now where I disagree with a lot of people is I believe there are a lot liberals who have a lot of humanitarian values and want what they feel is best for this country.

I don't view it as an "us vs them" battle. It's simply different views from different people who truly want a better nation. They simply see differing paths by which to accomplish it. Both groups are Patriots.

There's also an extreme liberal left wing nuts who are no better.

That's called HIPPA. They can only release your mental health status if you've been involuntarily committed, or otherwise they need the person to sign off on releasing that information. Doctor/patient confidentiality.

So that's a question we need to ask the politicians that claim we have a mental health problem and not a gun problem......

Q: Since every American has the right to bare arms, how do you suggest we keep guns out of the hands of the mentally disabled?

I understand hippa very well..my wifes job is in health care..but I'm not quite sure I made my point well Erik

Can you tell me what you mean by mentally disabled?

Pit you're a good dude..and I wish I could have your attitude it would make things easier for me..but it SEEMS like alot of people on the left and the right..are schnook's and I'm finding the older I'm getting I don't deal with schnooks very well

Spoken like a true politician. You know what I mean. Just answer the question Trump.

You made your point, but I'm saying it can't be done without removing HIPPA laws. They conflict.

What are you talking about??

Just answer the question spiral

It was an honest question...politician far from it.

Can you tell me what you mean by schnook's?

Youre probably right Erik..If I had the answers I wouldnt be sitting here talking about it.

mental [men´tal]
1. pertaining to the mind.
2. pertaining to the chin.
mental disorder any clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome characterized by distressing symptoms, significant impairment of functioning, or significantly increased risk of death, pain, or other disability. Mental disorders are assumed to result from some behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual. The concept does not include deviant behavior, disturbances that are essentially conflicts between the individual and society, or expected and culturally sanctioned responses to particular events.
mental retardation less than average general intellectual functioning that brings with it some degree of impaired adaptation in learning, social adjustment, or maturation, or in all three areas; it is now classified as a developmental disability.

Mental retardation is a relative term. Its meaning depends on what society demands of the individual in learning, skills, and social responsibility. Many people who are considered developmentally challenged in the complex modern world would get along normally in a simpler society.

Diagnosis: There is no absolute measurement for retardation. At one time the different types were classified only according to the apparent severity of the retardation. Since the most practical standard was intelligence, the degree of retardation was based on the score of the patient on intelligence tests such as the intelligence quotient (IQ). The average person is considered to have an IQ of between 90 and 110, and those who score below 70 are considered mentally retarded.

In the past, the different groupings were classified in terms such as feebleminded, idiot, imbecile, and moron. Today, most health care providers use the following classifications: for IQ's from 50 to 70, mild; 35 to 50, moderate; 20 to 35, severe; under 20, profound. Whatever classifications are used, it is agreed that IQ measurements are only one part of the factors to be considered in determining mental retardation. Others, such as the patient's adaptability to surroundings, the services and training available, and the amount of control shown over his or her emotions, are also very important.

About 85 per cent of patients considered mentally retarded are in the least severe, or mild, group. Those in this group do not usually have obvious physical defects and thus are not always easy to identify as mentally retarded while they are still infants. Sometimes such a child's mental defects do not show up until the time of entering school, when the child has difficulty learning and keeping up with others in the same age group. Many persons who are in the mild category, as adults can find employment or a place in society suitable to their abilities, so that they are no longer identified as mentally retarded.

Cause: The cause of mental retardation is often unidentifiable; known ones are classified as either genetic or acquired. Genetic conditions include chromosomal abnormalities such as down syndrome and klinefelter's syndrome and errors of metabolism such as phenylketonuria, hypothyroidism, and tay-sachs disease. Acquired conditions may be prenatal, perinatal, or postnatal. Prenatal conditions include rubella and other viral infections, toxins, placental insufficiency, and blood type incompatibility. Perinatal causes are anoxia, birth injury, and prematurity. Postnatal causes may include infections, poisons, poor nutrition, trauma, and sociocultural factors such as deprivation.

Many conditions that can cause severe retardation can be diagnosed during pregnancy, and in some cases proper treatment can lessen or even prevent retardation. Proper care for the mother during pregnancy and for the baby in the first months of life is also important.

google is your friend...is that a poloticians answer to:/

by the way thanks for answering I guess..I was hoping it wouldve been in your own words but this will do I guess.

I am right. You can go to a psychiatrist for years with suicidal, sociopathic, or psychopathic disorders, but if you've never been involuntarily committed, there is no record of those visits that are public. Doctor/patient confidentiality. If you get committed involuntarily, which takes a judge, there is a record. That's why the more recent moonbats that have shot up places never had a record of mental illness. If everything is through a private doctor, the doctor would have to be concerned enough about public safety to break confidentiality rules. If a doctor does that needlessly, you can sue him into the dirt.

Dont get so sensitive I was agreeing with you