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I'm excited about Johnny.This weekend will change a lot of minds and hearts, one way or the other. If he goes to Seattle and plays well, even the haters can't ignore it. If he stinks, well, I'll probably be the first one on the Paxton Lynch bandwagon. What can I say, I'm just a fan.

I would have liked Manziel to be our QB of the future and I hope somehow he still is, I just don't think we will have enough game time to determine if he is the guy or not.

I also think that whoever is the new GM and/or coach won't want to tie themselves to Manziel.

If we are going to roll with Manziel I think we have to keep Pettine and DeFilippo. Three offensive systems in three years would hurt Manziel more than anything else.

Manziel played really well last week against the Southwest Bay Area Technical College Gold Miners. Gotta give him that.

With that said just draft Paxton Lynch and be done with this reality television drama/saga garbage already.

Fixed that for ya.

no. what i find mind boggling is a poster who says "the only reason I am defending him is people are giving him a hard time" and expect to be thought of as any thing than a agenda poster....

Good life lesson to be learned there. Kids in my neighborhood know darn well not to walk on my lawn. They might walk on it, but if they do they won't be walking off it. Just sayin.

I'm OK with Johnny for another year and using our first pick at a skill position. No trench guys, I want a glamour skill position pick.

Good point Peen. Johnny always did strike me as being a little TOO happy. Must be all the drugs and alcohol.

Gee, aren't you in a sweet mood.

not really. but i guess you could tell... the more i think of the guy throwing a year away the more it pisses me off. and then to get the starting job and only had to do what not only pettin... but haslem and farmer say and the punk gives them the finger...

i hope he plays great the next 3 games. so we can trade his punk a$$......

Yeah if he continues to play well we should trade him. wow.

Reading your posts is like taking your dog to the vet to be put down every week.

yea... not laughing. just pissed. he is a punk that will never do enouggh to make himself great... just enough to get by on. he ssaid it all when he said "im not changing for anyone"

I hope so, I really do. Trouble for the teams they face, Johnny and Josh could possibly be a great tandem.

CFRS, I can see what you mean about the next GM not wanting to be saddled with Johnny, but on the other hand, if the QB is somehow solved, you have a very high pick to use on a potential stud, and one that won't be quite so boom or bust. Taking a QB and cutting Johnny is risky, because he could go somewhere else and shine, while your guy doesn't pan out. That's not good.

We all know what we have to do: Root for Johnny to play great and not get in trouble!

If the QB is solved, then we probably shouldn't fire the GM who solved the QB.

Really I think a new coach wouldn't want to have to deal with Manziel. Why would a coach want to walk into a situation where he has an unproven QB, who causes problems off the field, and tie, what probably is his only shot at being a head coach, to that player?

j/c

Johnny really has passed the eye test this season - he's looked like he might belong in the NFL. He's progressed - and in the last game against the 49ers he was staying in the pocket longer than any previous game, and running through progressions more then previous games. Progress. What a concept for a fledgling QB. Even when he took off - he still had his eyes downfield.

Looking back - one of the most impressive elements to his game - and maybe this might be his biggest talent - accuracy throwing the ball on the run (except when throwing the 'other' way!! ) .... Maybe I have just not watched enough other scrambling QB's throw the ball on the run. But Johnny looks darn good doing it compared to the samples size I have seen.

Barring the bad decision which resulted in the Int - actually INCLUDING the interception - Johnny had a very good game vs the 49ers. Hope springs eternal !!

Now - what's the problem that people have? Why are some people still so down on Johnny?? Why can't everyone accept these basic truths? I know most of what I have written here are opinions (mine) but they seem pretty well grounded in facts and watching the kid play.

Now - I'm not saying anoint him. I'm not forgetting about his lack of effort and professionalism last year -absolutely far from it. I'm not forgetting how his silver tongue jumped in front of the media last year and said all the right things - but then DID all the wrong things. I'm not forgetting about the spat with his girlfriend in the car. He doesn't get a pass for partying the weekend after being given the starting role and then lying about it when caught. And I am not pretending that the 49ers are anything but (probably) the worst team in the NFL.

All of that is rightly still part of any decision on what the Browns do. As will be the remaining 3 games against decidedly better teams - possibly 3 of the hottest teams in the NFL right now .... But if Johnny does well. Shows progress in the face of (probably) adversity. Continues passing the eye test ..... then absolutely I keep him. Ab-so-bloody-lute-ly !!! To trade him when his value *might* be a 4th or 5th round pick at best - makes zero sense. To draft a "top" QB in a year when there appears to be no elite QB heading the draft class makes no sense when the team needs so much talent everywhere. . . that's drafting for need - and reaching - something the Brown's FO have excelled at over the years and what got us into this mess in the first place!

Nope - for me - if the scenario plays out where JM looks good in the next 3 games (regardless of whether the team wins - its about how he plays with pressure in his face, no running game and WR's that can't get open). . . . if that happens I am "all in" for a year with JM. I keep josh as a mentor and a more than capable back up - as is Austin ... but run with JM. Sure - that's a risk because of multiple factors. But its a risk I'd take.

Agreed. Get him some weapons (which likely means Farmer MUST go) and put the D back together.

I can also agree with this. The drama surrounding Berea is old.

Good lord dude, did Johnny steal your wife or something? Why on earth would you want to trade away what may be the future of our franchise? Let's see how he plays these next 3 games and make a logical decision from that point.

I swear half of our fan base wants us to continually lose.

There is no way to make a logical decision on Manziel because of the lack of game time. What a waste. Good thing we started McCown to begin the year.

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I swear half of our fan base wants us to continually lose. [/quote]

I'm not in that half. Just to be clear.

Does it sound like im happy with him?

LMAO

I'll agree with you on that. Regardless of how Johnny plays these last 3 games I would not fault the FO if they draft a QB.

This is the kind of post I come here to read.

Thoughtporn.

Sometimes, I almost don't care what the subject matter is, or even the opinion being expressed. Just seeing a fully fleshed-out post that displays critical thought and nuance is more than enough to keep me coming back.
This thread gained IQ points because of this post, regardless of P.O.V..


You, sir- do not post often enough on these boards.

The worst case scenario could be going into next season with TWO unknown quantities at QB... and still without a dominant WR or pass rusher or beast MLB...

There is one, and only one, reason to draft a QB in the first round and that's if you have completely given up on Manziel...

Creepy. Very creepy.

You aren't Hebert from Family Guy are you?

I think people are down on JM as you put it because they don't quite trust that he's made enough progress yet. The concern isn't about his talent and ability so much. I don't really see anyone doubting that.

It's the other half of being a franchise QB that is in question. The JM "supporters" defined as those who think Pet is purposefully holding back would have us believe that 10 weeks in rehab is the only reason JM has shown improvement this season. They'll give coaching credit to O'Connell and Flip without actually being able to specifically say what it is they are doing for him (I think its reasonable to assume its the usual stuff QB coaches and OC's do...) but they also assume that those two guys don't have ANY concerns or issues with JM's lack of progress in the off field areas.

From the get go Pettine has been upfront about what he expects from his #1 QB. He's also had no problems giving JM credit for his on field improvements all season. And people are assuming that just because we hear reports he's improved on the field, and we've heard very few reports of off field stuff that he's made just as big strides in his maturity. But that isn't necessarily the case.

Remember, when it comes to specific behavior issues, the team has been pretty tight lipped about them. Last season we as fans had ZERO idea that JM was not prepared nor just how much he blew everything off until he took the field in Cincy. But I guarantee the team knew. Pet certainly knew which is why he didn't start him sooner.

Look how long it took before we got any details about what Gilbert's malfunction is?

I also think some of it is simply push back against the people putting forth the claim that Pet is just being petty and small. Pet has given JM credit when he's earned it. And when he's been critical like his halftime comment about staying in the pocket because he was missing reads... he WAS right. I mean, there's no way to refute that. Manziel's successful game against the 49ers clearly shows that!

Ryan Leaf was talented right? But he was left to his own devices and was a huge douchebag which ultimately led to his short NFL career. I'm in the same boat as Clem, I don't follow college and I knew basically nothing about Manziel before we drafted him. But if this kid is as good as people hope, I'd hate to see our best shot at a franchise guy self destruct.

Benching Manziel for being dishonest for 2 games does not set this franchise back anywhere near as much as being hands off with him 2 seasons in a row.

QFT. And for common sense.

We are going to find ourselves in a sweet draft position. But just because of that does not mean we HAVE to use that 1st round pick on a QB. Even if we find ourselves needing a QB, we don't take one just to take one. If there is no QB in this draft that you think is a franchise guy, then you do not use a top 3 pick on one, just to go through the motions of taking a QB. Settling/reaching for the wrong guy at that spot puts you back a few years, until he busts and you repeat the process.

If you think he is a franchise guy, pull the trigger. If not, get a stud at another position of need. We have about 15 of those.

No, they want to win... they just want to win their way, with a team full of Mensa members and choir boys. Four yards and a cloud of dust, no celebrating, playing through injury, and never smiling until they win the super bowl (then celebrate for 24 hours then get back to work).

certainly increase the odds of winning wouldn't it... especially the work thing...

He was benched because he lied to his Coaches. He had not been starting this year because his Head Coach, His Offensive Coordinator, and his QB Coach were all on the same page and thought he still had more to learn before he was thrown to the wolves.

I guarantee we'll draft a QB in the draft. Hopefully not till 4th or 5th round.

Yup. They'd still be starting McCown if he could've stayed healthy. No doubt about it.

Wait...so we were going to let a young QB develop behind a vet???? Thats just crazy!

yea. and thats part of being a punk in my book.

This post Vers is spot on. Looking at our QB stats the QB position is not the problem on this team.

Manziel, McCown, and Davis has combined for 3,619 yards with 19 TD's to 8 INT's. They are averaging 256 yards per game. 91% QB rating as a team. Only concerning stats are they have been sacked 43 times and are only averaging 7.3 yards per completion. That speaks more to a lack of play makers than lack of QB play.

Does anyone actually believe a rookie QB will be that productive? With these receivers?

This team needs play makers that can scare a defense too back off the LOS and open space for a run game. It also needs a defense that can sack the QB and create turnovers.

Stick with Manziel as our starter with McCown as the back up. Draft weapons on offense and OLB's that can pressure the QB.

Our QB has not been the problem this season, but if we don't address the position it will be in the future.

True Dat .... Same is true for every single position on the roster. No? For example LT will be a problem eventually - Joe Thomas will retire and it will be a problem to replace him.

But to me it makes a more sense to look at where the glaring needs are right now - and fill those positions with talent, before drafting another franchise LT. Or QB.