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Johnny is the most accurate passer to all levels of the field we have had since the return and it isnt even close. He is by far the most mobile QB we have had ever. He also has one of the strongest arms. I just think those qualities deserve a chance to develop. He is a smart kid, just lacks a lot of commons sense at this stage of life.

The kid is a winner and if we let it ride, we will be rewarded. I took a hell of a lot of flack for my belief in this kid and I would have cut bait if I did not believe he was a true franchise QB. We have to continue to build around him and have a TEAM that can be a consistent playoff contender.

It does in NE

I never blamed Hoyer for failing to mentor Manziel. He did exactly what the coach wanted. remember, Pet encouraged their rivalry. He got what he wanted.

Fair enough. Just asking:

Are you still taking a QB in round 1?

Is it a lack of common sense or shrewd marketing of his own brand?

IF it is his own brand, are you OK with HIS brand being larger than the Browns brand regarding all the media coverage?

We are a 3 win team. He won 2 of those games and he is the only reason there is the least bit of interest in this season.

I would not take a QB in this draft. I really dont see special with any of these guys. I think Lynch has potential to be really good but I am not willing to bet a top 10 pick on him on any other QB.

Browns fans may not want to hear it but the strength of this draft is on the defensive side of the ball. There will probably be 20-23 defensive players taken in the first round.

Personally, I love the receiver Treadwell. Kid remidns me a lot of Michael Irvin.

Unless you plan on firing everyone, AND shipping Manziel off to Dallas for a mid round pick..

Taking a QB is only going to create more problems.

If there are two young QBs on the roster, whichever one isnt playing will be the one that "could have" played better..

Even if you fire everyone, but keep Johnny, bringing in another prospect only hurts both of them.

Make a decision, and stick to it.

Cleveland Browns: Talk to players and one stands out as the best athlete on the Browns. He was drafted by the San Diego Padres to play baseball, he plays scratch golf and he can dunk a basketball. QB Connor Shaw called him the "quickest dude I've ever seen." The player? QB Johnny Manziel, who also happens to have a nasty competitive side. "We go bowling during training camp and his elbow is hurting, and he's bowling left-handed and rolling strikes," offensive coordinator John DeFilippo said. "He is that type of kid who is going to pick up a ping pong paddle and has not played in 10 years and just crush you." -- Pat McManamon

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/32for32x151216/the-best-athlete-nfl-team

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When Manziel was a true freshman at Texas A&M, he played corner on the scout team. Supposedly he was the best corner on the team.

I get what you are saying but... if Manziel actually does turn into a good starting QB for the long term, it will be impossible to know how much his 2 game sit-down had to do with it. Some will argue that was the reason he turned it around, some will say he was going to turn it around any way... nobody will ever really know. Maybe when they are putting Manziel in the HoF, he will credit that decision with the defining moment in his career. Just hope if that happens, he's wearing a Browns jersey.

Slightly ironic when you think about how many times someone has suggested that we'd have won if a different QB had played and everyones reaction is "Why, do they play defense?"

So keep Johnny, McCown and Davis. Name Johnny the starter and that's it.

Give Johnny some weapons. Figure out the defense.

I'm OK with this but Farmer better not figure into the draft. He really doesn't have a clue...does he?

Can you keep Pettine IF O'Neil is let go or does Pettine have to go too?

And some will point out that he was coming off a 370+ yard performance against the Steelers where he looked fully prepared before it happened and that the benching was mostly a self-serving power gesture because what he did on his bye week "looked bad..." not because he actually lacked in preparation for his role.

That's the thing here DC, we don't know.

We don't know how bad things were behind the scene last year or the trajectory that led JFF to rehab. We don't know what commitments JFF made to the team moving forward from there. We don't know exactly what substance or substances in question as to why he went to rehab.

In that regard I agree with what Columbus has said all along.

Where I have my problem with it, is that Columbus has no idea on those circumstances either. I believe it's very hard to form a solid conclusion on whether this issue was handled right or wrong without such information.

And I believe if Columbus can use the logic of "You don't know" against those who feel Pettine may have been right, the exact same argument can be made towards those who feel Pettine was wrong.

We just don't know......

NOT one person in Berea said it was because of his lack of ability. In fact, he was handed the job because of what he did against Pittsburgh.

he got benched because he lied.., Why can't people accept that and stop with all the bull.

Lying contributed, but if you think that is the only factor, then you are burying your head in the sand.

That's not what we were talking about. What we were talking about was whether or not the benching had anything to do with Manziel's improvement.

He was benched because he wasnt McCown.

He was benched because he is a punk.

What some people feel and maybe justifiably so, is that lying was the stated reason.. wearing ugly red pants might have been a reason... wearing the wrong headphones might have been a reason, parking in the wrong spot at the facility might have been a reason... in short, Pettine was LOOKING for a reason, and he found one.

Did he walk on your lawn to retrieve a ball or something?

no. he screwed my team....

Yeah screwed em good by getting 2 out of the 3 wins so far this year.

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 3m3 minutes ago
#Browns Johnny Manziel said he talks to Josh Gordon every week, took him to a recent game at A&M. Looking forward to Gordon coming off ban

thats just perfect... They should hang together... two punks...

Yeah, them two hanging has trouble written all freaking over it.

I'm all good for trading Gordon the minute he's reinstated. Said that mo's ago.

As far as JM he's never been arrested or been suspended for substance abuse. Not the same thang

yea it is. the cocaine cowboy threw away 18 games from being a punk. only difference is that it wasn't the nfl that did it...

lol, this isnt going anywhere

Nope

I have to say, I completely agree.

I agree Mour. When Johnny finally gets it and takes off, he will elevate the play of the entire team. Heck, we might already be seeing that. I for one hope he is the Captain of this ship for a good long while.

It blows my mind to think you have been reading that. No doubt the next three games mean something, but my big hope is we don't draft another QB in this next draft.

It also blows my mind to read that we MUST draft a QB in round 1. Why not wait and see what happens?


I think you buy a little to much in to Daddy Pettine who is more worried about what his QB does in his off time than how he coaches his team.

I get what you are saying, but disagree that we need to take a QB in the first round. Yes, some of the questions about Manziel are still unanswered, but his development is encouraging. This team has many needs, and there are project QB's such as Wentz, Jones, and Brissett available in the 3-5 rounds who we can develop behind Manziel, while we use the first 2 rounds to address more pressing needs.

It's an accepted psychological truth that the things we dislike in others are those things we hate about ourselves.

Just sayin'

I think you buy a little to much in to the cocaine cowboy.

It's comments like this that make me wonder if you are a fan.

Plus, that is stupid. He should be benched because he isn't good. If he was Gay, would you want him benched because of that? Maybe because his hair is a little too red? Because he is a little short for you liking?

Insecure people find the most ridiculous reasons to dis someone.

j/c:

Does anyone else find some of these posts mind-boggling?

The funny thing is that probably 1/2 of the posters find the anti-Johnny posts absurd and the other 1/2 find the positive-Johnny posts absurd.

All I know is this: I HOPE Johnny shows enough so we do not have to draft another qb this year. I am not wild about any of those guys and this roster is in serious need of talent at a multitude of positions.