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Confused about what?

"Paul Brown was a great innovator, but not a very good coach. His ego got in the way too much and he didn't treat players fairly and that is why he became a dinosaur.

Paul Brown is a Bengal. Not a Brown, even though his last name is Brown. LOL"
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Don't go there Vers unless you are prepared to discuss his entire football career. Starting with his record.

Two guys who started from day 1. I'm curious how you think Lynch would benefit from sitting for a year or two.

Because he needs a lot of work that those two didn't. He reminds me much more of Blaine Gabbert than Big Ben.

He's not without reason ya know.

Johnny has done more off the field to injure the perception of him than anyone else.

So there is very good reason to question him.

Having said that, he appears to have cleaned up a little and when he's on the field, I see a young man trying his very best and frankly, I've been impressed with his play.

He's giving me hope that he can indeed be "THE MAN" for us.

But like a lot of people, I have a fear, will he keep his head on straight off the field?

I don't care who the coaching staff is made up of, they have to be able to trust and believe that Johnny won't self destruct.

Favre was reported to be a party animal. But I don't think I ever heard any of this coaches question his work ethic. I don't think I ever heard anyone say, Favre will be great if he gets his head on straight.

He partied hard, he played hard. That I can certainly live with. But the player has to know where the line is. Favre did, not sure Johnny does.

I'm more than willing, now that I've seen him play more, to give him time to show me.

Back when Favre was partying there was no social media to follow his every step. There are plenty of articles that came out years later about his habits. Here is one, but there are plenty more if you Google it:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/18/glanvilles-eye-opening-explanation-of-trading-favre/

Are there more Brett Favres or more Matt Jones?

Just wow!

Sad to hurt this much over that song's lyrics.

Scorching.

Needed more reverb.

More cowbell.

I won't disagree but honestly we live in different times and lots of stuff that players USED to do isn't acceptable social behavior. (for better or worse)

If Manziel wants to live like Favre, he needs to find a wayback machine and teleport himself back to that time and place.

No kidding. Just read one of Art Donovan's books to see what they did off the field. Johnny Unitas makes JF look like an angel.

But did Johnny Unitas miss practice and treatment and not know/learn his playbook? I don't know, I'm honestly asking. I've said all along that although I don't particularly like Manziel's image and think that his lifestyle is dangerous to himself and others, if he were just a hard partying kid who still showed up on time and busted ass then I'd be fine with him. It doesn't seem like that was the case last year altough perhaps he really has turned things around this season.

By all accounts he has been busting his ass this year.

Even Pet says he has been working huge

By all accounts he has been busting his ass this year compared to last year.....

Not really hard to do to be honest. What exactly did he do last year anyway?

Art has a way of writing that will make you laugh your arse off. Those guys routinely played with hangovers.

And at half time as well, if his story about the qb from the lions is true. I think it was Bobby Layne?

Regardless.....Art was a funny guy.

Dude easily makes one of my all-time Top 5 guests on Carson's Tonight Show.

what a funny, funny man.

Another Manziel rumor, this time from ESPN's John Clayton ...



Dallas Cowboys Rumors: Johnny Manziel Will Beat RG3 To Big D For Fifth-Round Pick


By Eduardo Mendez
Sports World News
Dec 23, 2015


If Jerry Jones wasn't done acquiring bad QBs, he'll have his pick of the litter this offseason. He just won't look past Johnny Manziel, according to John Clayton.

Speaking on the "Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz," the NFL Insider shared his insight on Manziel's future.

"I think he's going to be there [in Dallas] and I think he's going to beat RG3 there. Remember, RG3 has to hit free agency [in March]. The trade market opens up in February."

When pressed by Le Batard if he sees Manziel being a Cowboy, he added: "[For a] fifth, or sixth-round pick. Yes."

Johnny Manziel Might As Well Start Drinking During Games

Married to Tony Romo's health, the Cowboys saw what was once a promising season dwindle to a 4-10 record. Relying on Brandon Weeden, Matt Cassel and Kellen Moore will do that to you.

Relying on Manziel will only do more of the same.

The Browns QB has thrown for over 200 yards just twice this season and threw an INT in each of his last three starts. Cleveland -- unsurprisingly -- is 1-2 during that stretch.

The Cowboys are better off investing on a bionic skeleton for Romo instead.


http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/...-pick-video.htm

The reason I posted was John Clayton's remarks, which are in quotes. I heard him say it, and he sounded pretty confident.

I won't make any bold declarations, but if we trade Manziel for a 5th or 6th round pick, my "Don't give a damn" meter might just spike.

You see a quarterback making strides on the field. I swear we better not trade him away. Anyone with an IQ over 10 can see we have no offensive players to assist him and we need to get them through the draft, free agency, or what have you.

Please keep Pettine, Flip, Manziel, and fire Farmer and O'Niel. That's the way things should be.

Know mine will..and it would just add to my apathy level even more...ugh..why cant they get this turned around before I'm to old or just wont care anymore..I need to go watch something uplifting...this team is depressing sometimes.

Merry Christmas everyone.

hell i'd rather keep him here as a backup before letting him go for a garbage draft pick

Sounds like a plan. New defense and some hope for better FA and a coherent draft.

Actually, the way Johnny has been performing, we'd be idiots to only get a 5th or 6th rounder for him.

The other problem is, we would then need to draft another QB and in this years draft, I don't believe there is a sure fire winner in the bunch.

My biggest fear is that Manziel will self destruct again.

Clayton is all speculation. This has zero merit.

Once again, the point wasn't what some wannabe sports writer thinks, nor is the point that it was on some slapnut sports talk show. But I do think John Clayton has some credibility, and like I said earlier, he stated this pretty confidently. He *might* know something.

I simply don't dismiss the road rage incident and lying to his coach as "in the past". I know you're the eternal optimist but whitewashing this guy's history and current activities as nothing more than water under the bridge is naive at best and self delusional at worst.

Come on, Stets. I think you're being a tad too harsh on his "road rage". It's more of a miscalculation on his part about the hot/crazy scale, but certainly not "road rage".

Agreed. entirely. It wasn't his fault she went all loony.

But it was his fault for passing cars at high speed in the breakdown lane. He may not have been drunk but he's yet again showing terrible personal decision making. Again, not "in the past".