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j/c... It's Jason Cole, so take this with a grain of salt... Insider Buzz: Browns Expected to Keep Pettine, Blame GM Farmer for Failures Link I was just about to post this... 
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My own personal speculation on this is Haslam does not want to give up his dream of Manziel being the guy. He might have to if he hires another coach.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Fascinating. I think that even the posters on here would see this as a great upgrade. Really seeing Farmer gone. Finding somebody for the defense would help. Might as well switch to a 4-3 and send enough pressure. Could burn the uniforms and bring back The Real Dawg Pound as well, for my money. A true football guy with proven successful judgment will make us or break us IMO. It is our weakest link. Our scouting, our vetting, and our judgment has brought us a low-result season again. Fix the foundations first before arguing over paint and drapes.
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Eliot Wolf would be a great hire. I have a had hard time seeing him leave the Packers if he really is Ted Thompson's successor.
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I was thinking last night that if a new GM is in the cards, they may go ahead and fire Farmer this week so the new GM can decide on Pet's fate.
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We should know the fate of our team next week about this time.
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I was thinking last night that if a new GM is in the cards, they may go ahead and fire Farmer this week so the new GM can decide on Pet's fate. It would be a tough pill to swallow to finish the GM search in under a week.
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??? If we fire Farmer do we have to go through the minority protocol on interviews? Or because we had a minority GM we can forgo that procedure? Making that firing as the part of the system???
Also part of my point is if we must have a minority interview as the protocol. All these inside hire information is just pure speculative rumor. Nobody will let out they are the guy with the job if they have to go through this...especially us. We are like the experts of hiring!!
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Teams do the token black guy interview all the time.
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It seems like this is the time of the year when the "insider" guys try and get out in front of stories. If they are right, they are geniuses. If they are wrong, then no one talks about it because they are discussing the actual move and not who got the story right.
I will say, we have seen two reports (from Cole and LaCanfora) that have at least Farmer being fired. That is a positive sign.
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From what I've read online (from Adkins and Grossi), it seems like Dee Haslam (Jimmy's wife) is gaining power within the organization.
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It seems like this is the time of the year when the "insider" guys try and get out in front of stories. If they are right, they are geniuses. If they are wrong, then no one talks about it because they are discussing the actual move and not who got the story right.
I will say, we have seen two reports (from Cole and LaCanfora) that have at least Farmer being fired. That is a positive sign. Personally I would like to keep Pettine and Flip but I think Farmer and O'Neil need to go. The case for Farmer speaks for itself and I feel there is too much money in this defense for it to perform the way it has.
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Eliot Wolf would be a great hire. I have a had hard time seeing him leave the Packers if he really is Ted Thompson's successor. Hey, cfrs15, what were we just discussing in the GM candidate thread in the Tailgate Lot again ? ? 
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From what I've read online (from Adkins and Grossi), it seems like Dee Haslam (Jimmy's wife) is gaining power within the organization. While I'm unfamiliar with her business acumen, I do know she is in the television/entertainment industry. Given that, I think that I might prefer Dee Snyder over Dee Haslam. If there is substance to the Wolf rumors, I think that would be a solid move, and perhaps the only GM move that I could get behind 100% right away. Anyone else would definitely be a case of "Show Me" before I support them.
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http://www.usatoday.com/topic/6b925a31-a78c-498c-8d60-bbf828a8bae0/johnny-manziel/CLEVELAND -- The Cleveland Browns are expected to retain head coach Mike Pettine, but fire second-year general manager Ray Farmer, according to a report released by Jason Cole of Bleacher Report on Monday. The Browns head into Sunday's game against the Pittsburgh Steelers at FirstEnergy Stadium at 3-12 and in fourth-place finish in the AFC North Division. During his tenure with the Browns, Farmer selected 18 players through the NFL Draft. In 2014, Farmer selected cornerbacks Justin Gilbert (first round) and Pierre Desir (fourth), quarterback Johnny Manziel (first), offensive lineman Joel Bitonio (second), linebacker Christian Kirksey (third) and running back Terrance West (third).
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What does Mike Pettine do well? This just looks like another Mangini situation. Pettine will be a lame duck coach next year.
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Also, I'm all for firing Farmer. Just wait and see if Jerry Reese gets fired by the Giants.
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He's a snake. Text gate would not have been even known if it wasn't for the snake so that he can publicly state he wasn't leaving the Browns for selfish reasons. But we found out later him and Quinn? were planning this work together thing during the year...Shanny now had to get fired or mutually let go.
So you can love him all you want. Don't come down on me cause I think he is a POS. that is my opinion of him.
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As for the news we are hearing today concerning Farmer's potential exit, I do like the names I'm hearing as possible replacements.
Not going to get my hopes up too high...but maybe, just maybe Haslam began his work early, rather than waiting until the season ends. I'm talking about searching for replacements, making contacts well ahead of time.
As for Pettine, I think he is doing the best he can with the hand he was dealt...these guys have not quit on Pettine, even with all the negative crap that has gone on this season.
...I hope Pettine stays...Farmer can't leave soon enough, for me.
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...I hope Pettine stays...Farmer can't leave soon enough, for me.
If he does indeed stay, for the life of the TEAM and ORGANIZATION he hires someone that all their job entails is watching and making proper clock/time/timeout oriented decisions! I'm okay with Pettine staying. I don't listen to his, or any pressers anymore - you can only kick a dead horse so many times and he's just saying crap to say it, but I liked/appreciated his practice hard and then play on game day approach. Nothing given, only earned. Let's also, again if he stays, hope he stops with the absurd and idiotic sayings and mottos. As for Farmer, his ticket should have been given to him earlier this season. He's literally done kinda, pretty much, virtually and nearly next to nothing to help this team. He's burned away many first round picks and etc on pieces of toilet papers with poop stains on them for players. His free agent signings... one must also lean toward the negative side there. Get him outta here. We'll have a top five pick at least, there's no way I want Ray Farmer heading that operation up.
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Former Packers GM Ron Wolf to consult with BrownsESPN.com news services Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam will consult with former Green Bay Packers general manager and Hall of Famer Ron Wolf at the end of the season, according to ESPN Cleveland and multiple media reports. Wolf, 76, retired from full-time work in the NFL in 2001 after 38 years in the league. He started in 1963 as a scout for the Raiders, followed by a stint with the Buccaneers before returning to Oakland, where he helped build two Super Bowl-winning teams. Named Packers general manager in 1991, Wolf hired coach Mike Holmgren and traded for quarterback Brett Favre. Those moves helped the Packers win Super Bowl XXXI in the 1996 season. Wolf was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame earlier this year. This would not be Wolf's first experience with the Browns. He was hired by the team in 2004 as a personnel specialist but left four months later after a rift developed between him and then-coach Butch Davis. Wolf later recommended to then-owner Randy Lerner that the Browns hire Holmgren as team president. It's unclear what, if any, moves the Browns will make in the offseason, though general manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine could be on the hot seat as the team enters its final game of the season with a 3-12 record. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14453713/cleveland-browns-owner-jimmy-haslam-consult-ron-wolf
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Wolf later recommended to then-owner Randy Lerner that the Browns hire Holmgren as team president. With recommendations like that, Wolf can stay the hell away from Cleveland...
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Its a stab in the dark, but I'm guessing he'll recommend we hire Elliott Wolf to run our football operations.
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Whats your thoughts on that? It would be a move up from DOPP..
Not sure he would leave GB, but do you like the thought of him as GM ?
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I don't know anything about Elliot Wolf, but I have a high opinion of his dad, Ron. If Butch had been working for Ron Wolf instead of vice-versa, we would have been good about 8-10 years ago, IMO.
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If Butch had been working for Ron Wolf instead of vice-versa, we would have been good about 8-10 years ago, IMO. You have a very good point on that, Didn't take Wolf long to get out of Cleveland.. Davis was such an ass back in the day.
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Wolf later recommended to then-owner Randy Lerner that the Browns hire Holmgren as team president. With recommendations like that, Wolf can stay the hell away from Cleveland... How was he to know Holmgren would treat the job like a retirement hobby? Holmgren was a good option had he taken it seriously.
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How was he to know Holmgren would treat the job like a retirement hobby? That's his job to know, No different from me recommending a friend for a job. There are friends I would and wouldn't recommend.. If he didn't know The walrus that well, then he wasn't doing his job.
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How was he to know Holmgren would treat the job like a retirement hobby? Holmgren was a good option had he taken it seriously.
No he wasn't. Seattle players have been saying for years that he cost them multiple trips to the Super Bowl. He had an extremely talented team and coached them down to his level multiple times.
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I trust Wolf's recommendation over anyone Haslam would choose. Also, it doesn't look good for Farmer if we hired a consultant to help hire is replacement.
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That is a good point. He did know Holmgren very well at one time. Perhaps he made the mistake in thinking he was the same guy he was before.
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Maybe Holmgren cried Wolf !!! OMG, sorry just had to say that...lol
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Yes, and Farmer was suspended for his actions while Shanny was not. Yet, they are passing moral evaluations.   Maybe so. Farmer is incompetent. Some people can deal with that. Shanny is a twerp....JMO....most people can't deal with that.
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Shanny is a twerp....JMO....most people can't deal with that. Seems Shanny has a love /hate relationship in Atlanta.
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j/c:
A few thoughts after reading all of these posts:
--mac and tab.....I think it speaks more to your character than Shany's when evaluating him for telling the truth! You call him a POS and a RAT for telling the truth. Wow! Perhaps Farmer should not have broken the rules and meddled as much as he did.
--32...........can you provide a link that says Shanny was negotiating w/Quinn during the season, you know, other than citing tab's post???
--Wolf? He's been out of the league since 2001??? And we are going to rely on him? I don't know about that one..........
--I am unfamiliar w/his son. Does anyone know what he's done to deserve this job?
--I think Farmer should be fired immediately, but only because I want the new guy to have as much time as possible to prepare for free agency, evaluating our roster, and the draft. I don't wanna hear any excuses about "we didn't have adequate time to prepare." Haslam, you fired Banner and Lombardi and promoted the imbecile Farmer. Your excuses hold no water as a result!
--The team quit on Chud. Rewriting history does not change that.
--The team has not quit on Pet. That is important and while he grates my nerves at times, I value continuity and believe he should remain as HC.
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Maybe Holmgren cried Wolf !!! OMG, sorry just had to say that...lol Ah man!!! Please tell me that I read that wrong, Billy... 
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Shanny is a twerp....JMO....most people can't deal with that. Seems Shanny has a love /hate relationship in Atlanta. Pretty much everywhere. Dude's a twerp. He starts the season off strongly then does a quick regression after Halloween.
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--Wolf? He's been out of the league since 2001??? And we are going to rely on him? I don't know about that one..........
--I am unfamiliar w/his son. Does anyone know what he's done to deserve this job? Eliot Wolf: Eliot Wolf enters his 12th season with the Packers and first as the director of player personnel after being promoted on Jan. 2, 2015. Prior to his current role, Wolf spent the previous three seasons as the team’s director of pro personnel. In 2011, he served as the assistant director of player personnel after working as the team’s assistant director of pro personnel the previous three seasons (2008-2010).
Originally named as a pro personnel assistant on Feb. 26, 2004, by then-General Manager/Head Coach Mike Sherman, Wolf spent four seasons in that position.
Currently the second youngest player personnel director in the NFL, his primary duties include both college and pro player evaluation through film study, college visits, pro days, college All-Star games and the NFL Scouting Combine. During the season, he is responsible for advance scouting of upcoming Packers opponents, evaluating potential free-agent signees and recommending player tryouts.
The son of former Packers general manager and 2015 Pro Football Hall of Fame inductee Ron Wolf, Eliot’s scouting career unofficially began at age 10, when he joined his father in film sessions at Lambeau Field. His scouting abilities continued to develop as he filed his first report at age 14 for the Atlanta Falcons.
Overall, he has spent more than two decades in official and unofficial capacities working as a talent evaluator. Wolf has contributed to the Packers’ draft preparations since 1993, 23 consecutive drafts overall. He has held nine NFL scouting internships – five with the Packers, three with the Falcons and one with the Seattle Seahawks.
The 33-year-old Wolf owns a B.A. degree in English with an emphasis in creative writing from the University of Miami (Fla.), graduating in December 2003 after just 3½ years in order to begin his NFL career before the 2004 NFL Draft. At Miami, he volunteered in the football office’s recruiting department. Wolf is a 2000 high school graduate of Green Bay’s Notre Dame Academy.
Born March 21, 1982, in Oakland, Calif., the recently married Wolf and his wife, Regan, reside in De Pere, Wis.
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The team has not quit on Pet. In all seriousness, Being 3-12... wouldn't it appear they quit long ago ? while he grates my nerves at times All the time for me.. When I saw him smile at the KC player after he thought he recovered the fumble... Then 5 minutes later, They showed Pet looking back at the bench giving them a very very nasty look.. He's a jerk.. I hope he's gone Vers, Because of him I can't stomach this team much. I can't even listen to his pressers anymore.. I don't know how to feel or what to do.
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