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I think that Manziel knows the score.

Pettine is gone, and no other coach is going to hitch their star to him, especially not with the 2nd pick in the draft in hand.

Thank You for that answer...

I have no issue with what Manziel does on his days off.

However, on game day, you are an NFL PLAYER. Get your butt to the game, observe, learn your division rivals, take notes, be a part of it, GROW UP and take responsibility,

There is no reason for him being able to go to the casino but not at least be present in the stadium to be part of what is supposed to be YOUR TEAM.

There is no excuse for today! NONE, NONE!

AND, he should have been there at the game. Period!!

Exactly. A true leadership figure would have been at the game today. The Browns have their answer. Good riddance to the drama queen.

Again.. can you prove that Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams were at the game ?

They too are in the concussion protocol..

Were they there?

He can do whatever he wants. And he did, even if he didn't go to Vegas.

And? It was cool to see Luke McCown on the sidelines, cheering when he could, but always sitting down with Austin Davis on the bench going over things.

McCown and Manziel. One is a pro in every fashion of the word. One isn't.

If you have an agenda to get rid of JFF, I unfriend you.

(this comment is directed at all posters who suffer from silliness disease)

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We're playing a division rival and he doesn't care enough to be at the game to work on for future success, if he has a concussion.

Joe Thomas just stated in post game: I just wanted to know that the Cleveland Browns are the most important thing in players life".

If that doesn't speak volumes, I don't know what would.

Josh McCown will be here next season. Johnny Drama Queen will not. Browns are already improving based on that alone.

Listen to Joe Thomas' post game presser to answer any and all questions about Manziel

One isn't in the concussion protocol and is allowed on the sidelines..

One is in the concussion protocol and is NOT allowed on the sidelines..

Got it.

And, I also said "Luke McCown", when obviously I meant Josh. My bad there.


However, even if not allowed on the sideline, were I manziel, I would've been at the stadium. In the owners box, in the oc's box, in the locker room - somewhere. That's just me, and I know I'm not an nfl player.

The difference is JM is working his way out of here.

Exactly Arch. Joe Thomas sounded totally defeated in the post game presser and his response to Manziel questions was not glowing. I just feel so bad for JT being saddled with Manziel and his egocentric apathy.

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I just don't know he has helped his cause with his stupidity while a Browns member. Who would take a chance?

He may work his way out of the NFL.

You will not get a direct answer to your question about the other players being there, they are not under the same rules that JM is.

I understand Arch...

I also don't understand why it's a big deal for Johnny but not the other 4 players who are in the concussion protocol.

After all they are all teammates...

Jerry Jones...too bad we've nobody smart enough to start working him.

Again.. can you prove that Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams were at the game ?

We do not know if the other players were there. We know that Manziel was not. The others players should be at the game as well.

So if they were not at the game they like JM should be traded released gone off the team? Same rules to all players?

Have Moore, Haden, Winston and Williams had the issues that Manziel has? Manziel screwed his rookie year and the Browns at the same time. Themother four are not the monumental distraction that 'Manziel is.

Manziel seeks way to much media recognition to showcase his stupidity and egocentricity!

That's the difference: harm to the team, for me.

I can't find his presser. Any links?

In what world should the rules be the same for everyone? Players who earn more trust get more leash.

First, it's Haden. Second, nobody cares about Moore and Winston because they are dime a dozen special-teamers, not the former 1st RD QB who by himself controls half of the success or failure of the franchise.

Third, no I can't prove whether they were there or not. Well I could try but I don't give a crap.

What I'll say is this, if they are true pros and teammates then they were there for their brothers and coaches unless they had legit medical/family reasons NOT to be there. If they weren't, then I want no part of them being on the team going forward either.

Just like #2. I don't even respect him enough to call him by his name anymore. He wants to behave like an after-thought special-teamer then that's how he'll get treated.

No, I can not. Can you prove they weren't?

No links. I listened to it right after the game. It is very, very telling. If I find one, will forward.

I listed to the JT presser on Browns postgame. Not only did the hosts flat out admit Browns HAVE to get rid of the circus/virus that is #2, but Joe essentially said if they fire Pettine and keep #2 then he's not coming back.

Please do, as I went to the official Browns site and didn't find anything.

Just curious why you were not all up in arms not knowing their where abouts.

That was a fair and honest response.. I appreciate that..

I totally understand that some fans like Johnny and some don't.. And that's the fun of sports..

But to just pile on a guy to just be spiteful isn't cool.. In a case like this, I feel having all the facts in place is the right way to look at it.

It's okay for some but not the others is not fair for anyone..player or fan.

Arch, Joe talked about getting older and not winning. He spoke of the setbacks when you start over and how that is especially damaging to "older" players.

He spoke of needing to know from other players that the Browns were the most important thing to them.

He spoke of his disappointment if the Manziel story is true.

Jist sad when you have guys playing their butts off with drive and dedication and silly little Manziel off in his fun little stupid world!

He's not allowed on the sidelines. Maybe he couldn't get a ticket.

Johnny Vegas. He played great today. Really showed why everyone loves him so much.... Two seasons, two final games where Johnny is nowhere to be found. How is that possible? Barely 6 foot, barely 200 pound QB that runs around taking big hits? Puts himself in dangerous situations? No way that guy ever gets hurt.... lmao

He's a real nowhere man.....

So, you ask me to prove what you can't? Got it.


However, were any of them reportedly in Las Vegas last night?

Why does it matter? Because it does. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

As a supposed team leader you would think Manziel would have enough class to, like, support his team, right? You know, like, actually being there.

I would expect the same out of the players you mentioned as well. Cause, like, um, you get paid.

Manziel created, hyped, and love his media image. Along with that comes some responsibility.

Edited to say: I don't know why you think I'm all up in arms over Manziel.

yea, i gotta agree with that. even injured, they are suppose to be there supporting the team. not partying while the rest of the team bust their asses to be on the field showing some pride at the very least.

How about silly little Moore, Hayden,Winston and Williams off in their fun little stupid world?

How many people have to respond, directly to you, with blatant answers to your silly little question before you stop with the nonsense? No wonder you love #2...good lord.