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You're right.

How about: Press Box.

Observe the game with the staff up there.

Oh I definitely think manziel should've been at the game. I was just pointing out that even if he was, nfl rules mandate he not be on the sideline.

I'm a bit concerned about that, too, but less so now that I looked into it. The rumor mill has it that he chose to opt out after talks with management, and that a key deciding factor was that he couldn't get extensions for him and his coaching staff. I think it's harder to hold too much of that against the guy. Either A.) You know you're a lame duck or B.) The new ownership wants to do their own thing and bring their own people in. He's been pretty classy and old school keeping it all under wraps and not going public with details about any of it.



http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/po...rrones-decision

Obviously that rubbed some players the wrong way, but it's a bit more plausible of a reason than just, "Eh. The money's here>" Which was still understandable. No opt-out clauses this time around I bet.

On the field, he's not perfect, but he managed a 9-7 season wtih EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton. It helps that they had road graters and good talent across the line, but they were always able to run the football, too. And their talent on defense was sick.

Surprised I haven't seen this on here:



https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/684111822753017860

Ha, thanks. Just thought there might be people around here that are more interested in what will happen, and what they would like to see, instead of what the radio stations and local beats force feed you.

I really don't know what this new regime will do. I just hope a lesson was learned through this last regime. And considering Sashi Brown was in the building to witness all of it, actually makes me feel a little better.

Actually, if you google Sashi Brown, the first article to come up is from Fox Sports, and it's commending the move. (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cleve...y-farmer-010416)

It's really hard to tell how the mistakes were made with this last regime. The Dwayne Bowe disaster is pretty much the only one. But we've heard Pettine wanted Gilbert. We've heard Jimmy stepped in and demanded a trade up for Manziel. Who decided it was ok to draft for OL depth with a first round pick?

I don't really care to know at this point, because they're all gone. Again, I just hope lessons were learned.

I like the idea of using a firm to pick a coach. Something tells me we'll get a guy with a lot of experience in the NFL, and probably not so much of having interest in someone like Chip Kelly, or a college coach. Not to say that those options can't work, but I think if a firm is being paid to do the best job, they are probably going the safe route.

It also shows that Haslam knows enough to know what he doesn't know.
He isn't just taking the blind word of the media or whomever is polling best with Madden players to build his coaching search.

Granted, that's probably half the work the search firm will do, but that's a different story, lol!

Pretty much. Haslam is still a rookie owner, his new director of football ops is 38, and like I said before, the new GM will most likely be a promote from another team's scouting staff... None of the 3 are really qualified to pick a coach. Really smart move by Jimmy. He put the last 2 years on himself last night, and pushed the right button. Put it into the hands of people qualified to make that call. We're most likely going to get Jackson, Bevell, Gase, Marrone, etc..

It also rules out guys like Payton, Shanahan, and other bigger type hires. I really believe those guys would have come through a 1 on 1 with Haslam.

I like it also..Seems like moving forward with the help of others may be the best bet for this Organization.

I will say I feel better having a firm involved , then just Jimmy Dee and Sashi.

I really need to shake all the negative feelings out and keep focused on what this new search is going to lead to.

Already , unfortunately this thread is/has started to turn into a JM thread..Hard to move forward when so many want to keep focusing on a player and not focus on the tasks of finding the HC and GM.

We just have to hope Haslam follows the advice of the search firm. He eschewed the last advice he got from outside the organization.

A bit of JFF talk but nothing over the top.

been wondering if they will do the same with the draft? kinda a check on the new gm?

Yup. He's gone. I loved the guy, but he's got problems well beyond football. I hope he gets his life together. It's not as a Browns fan anymore. Just a fan of JM going back to college. We've moved on. I was as big as anyone else on drafting him. I believe he can play, but I've beleived for quite a while now that the new regime will want no part of it and will instead opt for the fresh start. I think we should all focus on the same. Leave 2015 in 2015.

Eschewed...... awesome!!!! And yeah, teddy would be our cuddly qb

Yes hope he's learning to follow advice... I will have to go back and re listen to his presser.. I thought he mentioned his making a mistake not taking the advice before..

And thanks for posting the firing of Brown and Kuharich.. Defiantly seems there's some moving forward.

Not sure, but sure seems like a very good idea..

I can see it now.. Sashi, GM,HC and the firm all huddled together discussing the 2nd pick or move up to get our guy.

makes some sense.. new gm, sashi.... would think jimmy would want all the info he can get...

Johnny appears to be "recovering" in Vegas...

End of discussion.

It's hard coaching under the gun? And he is being mentioned as Cleveland's coach?

In fairness, no one is ever under the gun in Cleveland.

Nukes? Yes. Gun? Nah.

I think by "under the gun" he meant that he started with one owner and that's what he signed up for. Then they sell the team and that automatically makes him pretty much a lame duck because new owners want "their own guy" as head coach. To continue coaching there would have been an exercise in futility. Work his ass off for nothing.

So, immediately after the sale of the team his job is in jeopardy for reasons not of his own making at all.

I think that's what was meant.

Haven't been on in a while... just want to check in so I'm clear... since blowing the whole thing up, we've promoted an attorney who used to run a jazz club and hired a baseball guy to executive VP positions? Is that pretty much about where we are right now? Ok, good... feelings of confidence are over-freaking-whelming...

well, Johnny is still on the roster, so this has its values.... jazz clubs & legal help.

The more I read about Matt Patricia, the more I'm intrigued...

I still love Hue Jackson as well. I feel like if we land either one of these guys it's a big victory for the Browns. The good thing is that I feel like we will land one of these two.

I know it's hard to tell what's really going on behind closed doors, but it seems so much different this year versus 2 years ago. Jimmmy clearly has a plan. 2014 seemed like they were flying by the seat of their pants..

We always talk about player development and how you should be patient to allow them to do so. We can only hope we are seeing the same with Jimmy as an owner. He doesn't have to be this larger than life figure who stands over the team. He simply just needs to find the right 2 or 3 people to do the football work.

I can't wait to see all the draft stuff as we get closer to April..

Can you help me w/something? I can't seem to find where Patricia was a HC and had success in that position. Do you have that information?

I think it is crazy that we fired a HC w/very similar credentials to the guy that many of you want to now hire. We will undergo another roster overhaul which will set us back even further and when we don't see positive results in two years, Patricia will be fired and called trash by certain posters.

The Merry Go Round of Misery continues on it's never ending course.

Typically, successful Head Coaches keep their job, so if our plan is to wait for a successful head coach to take the job we may not have a HC for a long while...

I don't like the carousel either, for the record. I just know there's no way we'd be able to hire on a unicorn.

So.............why did we fire Pet?

Because we won three games and coaches who win only three games get fired.

What happened to the continuity thing? So many were preaching five years. I thought that was a bit too many, but two years? With a roster that sucked eggs?

Now, it's going to start all over again. People will rip those of us who don't quite buy into what PT Barnum......I mean the Haslams are selling and call us whiners, complainers, Negative Nancy's, etc..........They will say that it is too early to judge anyone. They will scream for continuity.........and then in two years.....it will happen all over again. Just like it always does.

Things change when you get punched in the face. 3-13 is not even punched in the face, it's curbed stomped.

That wasn't predictable.

You are a waste. Later.

I liked it better when you had me on ignore. Oh wait, you still do. Please stop unignoring me.

At some point, the circle will be broken. Let's hope it is this time...

The only thing they have in common is that they are both defensive coordinators. I think the similarities stop there. There are a bunch of good articles on Patricia that have been floated out this week...

Patricia, unlike a lot of Patriots defensive coordinators under Belichick, makes the defensive calls. He's incredibly smart. I also believe with his engineering background that he is probably more open to the use of advance statistics for franchise building...

Yes, if he's 32nd in the league against the rush two years in a row, he's probably fired. If he develops almost no players in two years, he's probably gone... If he wins 3 games in his second year, gone.

As far as not having HC experience, I believe you're probably better off hiring a coach with no experience versus someone who has been fired... So there's that (Hue Jackson's 1 year of HC experience is void from that argument)

It's not to say that hiring coaches who have done it elsewhere in the NFL doesn't work.. Both Belichick and Carroll, last year's SB coaches, were both fired previously...

I just think the odds favor you finding success with someone getting their first taste over someone who failed.

Let's also remember that although Mike Pettine is a nice guy, and didn't exactly have the '85 Bears to work with, he was also not the first, second, and probably even 3rd and 4th choice in 2014...

You do realize that nobody on the board had anything to do with him being fired, right?

I did.