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One of the supposed selling points for Hue is that he would supposedly have the strongest coaching staff. Wonder who those coaches would be.

I heard that it was Norv Turner and Ray Horton.

I feel like Jackson's agent(s) are using Rapoport to drum up the market. Just speculation on my part (obviously).

I tend to agree. I mean, it makes no sense for anyone on the Browns' side to leak any of this information. It makes other clubs interested in Hue up their game, so to speak.

Yup.
Given all the talk from the franchise thus far, I would be surprised if any of this noise, any of these rumblings about Jackson, are actually coming from the team. I would expect the team would be MUCH lower key and subdued on things until they actually have something locked up.

I'd bet that ALL of it is being driven by his agent feeding an idea to ESPNCleveland and just letting them run with it.

It's going to be wonderful when Jackson goes to a team other than the Browns and we get a whole 'nother round of, "No one wants to come here."

Which Ivy League school did he attend?

I have not seen this posted in the other pages and as I wait with baited breath, I scoured this up:

http://www.hngn.com/articles/168670/2016...l-push-hire.htm

I actually have been on the forums for a LONG time; since the tear down of our original board. I just sit back like a creep and read some of the posts, until I get sick of the negativity and browse elsewhere. Seems to never change, no matter what forum you go to for us

I didn't like that comment either, but this one provided names to where these reports were coming from and not just "he said she said" stuff.

https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/686993074258489344



I think Jackson is interviewing with the Giants today.

Hmmm.. Do you honestly believe that Pettine was initially high on their list last time around?

If not, what has changed to make you believe the Browns would be atop any coaching candidates list now?

Let's face it, you really have no ground to stand on here.

I am not saying guys should or do want to come here. Just predicting the inevitable outcome.

If SF has dropped out of HueMania..

Its us and NYG..

So Mr. Jackson, do you want to build a team here, or try to build your name on the back of Eli Manning?

The Giants organization is considered one of the most stable in the league. We. . . are not that.

He would be crazy not to choose the Giants if the offers are similar.

He be to try and build with Eli, beckham Jr., and victor Cruz if he takes the Giants job.

We have...... Duke and Gary.

I will say that I'm certainly not confident with the structure based on what has been openly stated by our owner and the recent history concerning the outcome of past coaching searches. I won't deny that.

But I do realize it's a process and far to early in the process to be slinging mud.

Agreed. I am almost always going to wait and see the results before I make any declarations.

Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. not sure if that's considered Ivy League, but it's a damn fine school..

Right, all Gase had to do was wait on the Browns until the Dolphins hired someone else, and then, if the Browns don't make him an offer he's dangling out there with no other opportunity.

It's not like me and you. Me and you can afford to wait because there's plenty of opportunities for a job. But for Gase, there's only 7 or so head coaching jobs to be had in the whole wide world. With that, one can't dick around waiting in hopes that the team that didn't make you an offer will eventually do so.

Does that make sense or do I sound too argumentative?

Dicking around is a far more aggressive activity for some than it is for others.

Well, dicking around has pretty much been my M.O. most of my life. I was just thinking an NFL coach might not want to emulate me.

why would he want to set you on fire?

So, it's a life skill of sorts.

Hope the great choices for HC don't get snapped up while we are being all thorough and executing the model we have crowed about. If you know what you want, you buy your bargains when you find them. Like the Pats choice myself.

'Browns aggressively pursuing Hue Jackson per report; Jimmy Haslam skips owners meeting'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com on January 12, 2016 at 12:06 PM, updated January 12, 2016 at 3:26 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns are aggressively pursuing Bengals offensive coordinator Hue Jackson Tuesday for their head coach vacancy, according to NFL Network.

The Browns are so serious about landing him that owner Jimmy Haslam skipped the important owners' meeting in Houston so he could try to land his man. Co-owner Dee Haslam is in Houston and will cast the Browns' vote on which NFL teams can relocate to Los Angeles if it comes up today or tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News reported Tuesday afternoon that the 49ers are "no longer in the Hue Jackson sweepstakes. They COULD double-back, but sounds like that pursuit is over for now.''

He later tweeted that Jackson was the 49ers' frontrunner, "but something happened the last few days.'' He indicated that the most likely "something'' was the Browns.

The 49ers were busy interviewing former Giants coach Tom Coughlin on Tuesday on the East Coast, according to the Associated Press. Kawakami and Matt Barrows of the Sacramento Bee both reported that Coughlin could ask Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo to join him in San Franciso.

The Browns have asked DeFilippo to stay if the new coach wants him, but in San Francisco, he might be viewed as Coughlin's heir apparent. Like the York family, owners of the 49ers, DeFilippo was born in Youngstown, Ohio.

Jackson also has a chance to interview with the Giants on Thursday morning, but likely won't go through with that interview if he can land the Browns job.

NFL Network's Mike Silver, a close friend of Jackson's, tweeted Tuesday, "If he likes what he hears from another team, he might not want to hold that team off to talk to Giants.''

Haslam has heard good things about Jackson -- including from a number of his own veterans who would love to play for him.

Teams are often reluctant to present an offer until they're sure the candidate will say yes. In the case of Jackson, he's interested in all three teams and will seriously consider any and all offers, one source told cleveland.com.

On Monday night, Silver tweeted "Hue's totally interested in Cleveland, SF and NYG jobs...it's been a long four years-- wants an NFL HC opportunity.''

He predicted Monday that Jackson would have a home in the next 24-48 hours.

Jackson has been praised by team executive and former players.

"I talk (to interested teams) about how collaboratively Hue worked with everyone in the organization,'' said former Raiders executive Amy Trask, now a CBS analyst. "And I speak to them about the challenges under which Hue labored, many of which were not apparent to the public. I would love to see what Hue Jackson can do as a head coach if he is allowed to pick his own assistant coaching staff."



Offensive tackle Andre Whitworth told cincinnati.com: "If there is an NFL team out there that's not looking at Hue Jackson in their top three, they are crazy."



Steelers receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, who played for Jackson in Oakland, told USA TODAY Sports Thursday: "I think he's a great football mind. He's good for football. He demands a lot out of his players, and any team would love to have him." 


Browns receiver Terrelle Pryor, who played for Jackson in 2011, loves him and would love to play for him again.

"He comes from the streets of Los Angeles,'' Pryor told cleveland.com "He's seen a lot of tough things and he can relate to guys in so many ways. He's coached a lot of big-time players and he can relate to any of the different groups on the team. He's a smart guy. He can talk on all different levels. That's what's so great about him is that he can function well with everybody.''

Pryor said Cardinals quarterback Carson Palmer, who played for Jackson at USC, Cincinnati and Oakland, raved about him.

"Carson and I are real good friends,'' said Pryor, who played with Palmer in 2011 when Jackson was head coach. "Carson would always tell me how awesome Hue is. He used to tell me all the time how much he loves Hue. And that's coming from one of the top quarterbacks in the league.''

Pryor said Jackson, a former college quarterback, is one of the best playcallers in the NFL.

"He's so creative,'' said Pryor. "He gives guys the best chance to be successful. You can look at his track record and watch film, I mean this guy, his playcalling and his formations, his ability to change it up on defenses is one of the best in coaching.''

He noted that Jackson isn't afraid to throw the ball downfield. In 2015, the Bengals finished third in net passing yards per play. They also finished seventh in points per game and Andy Dalton finished second in gain per play and second overall with a 106.3 rating.

"Hue is a shot taker,'' said Pryor. "He'll put it up and that's where the success is at in the NFL.

Pryor said Jackson is the ultimate players' coach.

"He'll hang out with us on the plane, he'll hang out with us no matter where,'' said Pryor. "He'll visit everyone in the different meetings rooms and everybody gets to see him and interact with him.''

The Browns like other candidates if they lose Jackson.

They also interviewed Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott on Sunday morning and liked him, a source said. Panthers coach Ron Rivera told the Charlotte Observer Monday that McDermott felt good about his weekend interviews with both the Browns and Bucs.

"We visited a little bit and he felt very comfortable and confident with what he did,'' Rivera said. "He said the best thing now is we have the opportunity to focus in on Seattle (in the NFC Divisional round)."

Of the seven interviews the Browns have conducted since Wednesday, only former Bears offensive coordinator Adam Gase has been eliminated. He took the Dolphins job Saturday after interviewing with several teams, including the Giants and Eagles. He was the Browns' first interview and was believed to be one of their top targets, if not their No. 1 overall.

Fox Sports reported that another of the Browns' candidates, Cowboys defensive backs coach Jerome Henderson, was set to join Gase in Miami, but that hasn't happened yet. He reportedly told his bosses in Dallas that his meeting with the Browns went well Friday.

The other Browns interviews were as follows: Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin, Jacksonville assistant head coach Doug Marrone, and Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia.

If the Browns really liked Patricia or McDermott, they might have to wait awhile. Both are in the playoffs and could go far. If either or both make the Super Bowl, the Browns would have to wait until after the game Feb. 7 in the San Francisco Bay Area to hire them.

Do we know of anybody coming with these candidates? Is that part of a big reveal in the interview process or a secret kept until after the hire? Not certain how it gets handled.

Shoot, I'd pick the Giants over the Browns, even if the Giants offered me less. And I'm not talking about a fictional version of me that's an NFL coordinator, I'm talking about the real me.

We shall see.

Don't underestimate New York Giants in pursuit of Hue Jackson: Tom Reed

By Tom Reed, Cleveland.com
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on January 12, 2016 at 4:21 PM, updated January 12, 2016 at 4:22 PM




BEREA, Ohio – Jimmy Haslam is skipping the first day of the NFL owners meetings, which could produce a vote on the fates of the Chargers, Rams and Raiders.


Smart move. Let someone else decide what franchises move to Los Angeles. Haslam's wife, Dee, is representing the family, anyway.


His focus is rightly trained on a more pressing matter -- the relocation of Hue Jackson. The Bengals offensive coordinator is about to become an NFL head coach and, according to reports, Haslam wants him in Cleveland.


I'm among those who believe this would be an excellent hire, but the Browns have serious competition. The Niners have been the other franchise most often linked to the 50-year-old Jackson. The former Raiders' head coach met with the Browns and Niners on Sunday, a day after the Bengals showed all the composure of a penal league team in gagging away a playoff game to the Joey Porter-led Steelers.


But the organization that's literally and figuratively lying in the weeds is the Giants. They know where the bodies are buried in the swamps of New Jersey and have a history of getting their man. The Giants are like Paulie Cicero from Goodfellas: they might move slow, "but it's only because (they don't) have to move for anybody."


The franchise that's broken the hearts of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick twice in the past decade reportedly wants to meet with Jackson later in the week. If I'm Haslam, and Jackson is the Browns' prime target – and who really who knows with all the misinformation and backroom maneuvering out there – I do everything to close the deal before the Giants can make a pitch.

It's hard to believe Jackson would decide on his future without at least listening to Giants' owner John Mara. If nothing else it increases his bargaining power and leverage. He also knows the Browns can't negotiate with the Patriots' Matt Patricia and Panthers' Sean McDermott until the defensive coordinators' clubs are eliminated from the playoffs. We all remember how the Browns panicked last time in pursuit of former Seahawks' defensive coordinator Dan Quinn.


The Giants are an attractive option for many reasons: patient ownership, established franchise quarterback, superstar receiver, weakened division and a history of successful rebuilds. They can't offer the fuel perks of Pilot Flying J, but the Giants have ample advantages.


One of Jackson's selling points is previous head-coaching experience – something a Browns' hire hasn't boasted since Eric Mangini. Jackson is the last Raiders' coach to win eight games, and he was fired after one season for his effort. He knows what it's like to work for a dysfunctional franchise in Oakland and the benefits of staying the course as the Bengals have done with Marvin Lewis.


The Maras are one chromosome removed from the Rooneys when it comes to allowing new hires to grow into a job. The Giants have had five coaches and won four Super Bowls since 1984.


The Browns and Niners have combined for 11 coaches since the Giants last put out the "Help Wanted" sign in 2004 when they signed Tom Coughlin. The Niners just fired Jim Tomsula after one season.


Obviously, a coach's longevity is often tied to his quarterback. The Niners and Browns likely will be drafting ones in a watered-down quarterback class. Eli Manning is 35, but he's a two-time Super Bowl winner coming off a strong season. It doesn't hurt having one-handed-catching marvel Odell Beckham Jr., who weathered the Madden curse better than, you know, Peyton Hillis.


There are reports the Niners might be moving on from Jackson and pursuing Coughlin. Again, everything is fluid in a coaching search, where high-level games of chicken are the norm.


The Niners play in the league's toughest division, the NFC West, with the powerful Seahawks and Cardinals. Even the Rams look only to be a quarterback away from contention.


Meanwhile, the NFC East was pathetic this season. It lacks thick-necked bullies such as the Steelers and Ravens in the AFC North, where the Browns are perennial afterthoughts. Some might not want to follow Coughlin's legacy in New York, but he hasn't qualified for the playoffs since 2011.


Ultimately, it might come down to which organization makes the most handsome offer to Jackson. Does he want big money or greater say in personnel decisions? Giants' general manager Jerry Reese has not had the best draft classes in recent years, save for Beckham, and Mara put Reese on notice last week in saying the club is "lacking some talent."


Then again, Reese looks like the Seahawks' John Schneider compared to the draft record of the Browns' over the last five, oh hell, last 17 years.


We'll see what happens. Maybe the Giants opt for a patient approach. But if both franchises are eyeing Jackson, Haslam would be wise to make his play sooner rather than later – like in before the Giants can lure him to the weeds of New Jersey.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/cleveland_browns_coaching_sear_13.html

Sorry, did I get the definition of emulate wrong? Or are you kidding with me and I don't get it?

He's thinking immolate.

KFI metrics lowered Jackson, but he had a great interview. Patricia already higher on preliminary metrics but waiting for him is risky, especially without a sit-down at least.

just a little joke... obviously damn little

Sounds like we are zeroing in on Jackson.



https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/687050084974989312

Sorry Ian Rapoport. I was wrong.

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/687050954412261379

If we don't offer Jackson the job within the next day or so I'd guess that it's Patricia or McDermott.

Well if we can sign Jackson then maybe he can get some of those Bengal free agent offensive players like WR Marvin Jones and RT Andre Smith.

sooooo............what about the thought of him bringing in AJ McCarron?

no? yes?

I see McCarron as Kirk Cousins a year or two ago. Will he develop like Cousins did? Is Cousins a half season flash in the pan? Those answers are yet to be determined.

His lingering pre-draft disaster interviews are still remembered, but it would be considered as these were mitigated while backing up Dalton.