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But JFK isn't the democratic version of republican Jesus like Reagan is.

It's like damn near every time a republican opens their mouths, they have a quote from Reagan.

Hell, look at 40 for proof.

Or the kissing ass the candidates did in that one debate at the Reagan airport or library, wherever the hell that was.

I remember what a breath of fresh, all American air Reagan was after years of the second worst president of all time, you know, now that Obama has replaced Carter.

That has nothing to do with what the Christian right in the GOP has stated about marriage and divorce. Nothing. But you keep on going! lol

Ah, another logical fallacy!



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There's a strawman in there too, and an ad hominem as well.

lol damn bro

Isn't it funny how some people will turn to any foolish thing when they are losing an argument?

Libby First Commandment...

When losing an argument, turn it to something else.

Libby Second Commandment...

If that doesn't work, attack the speaker personally.

???

i've responded to you and Erik multiple times.

you guys either talk about something else, or don't respond at all.

you're the master of spin on this board 40. you'd make a perfect politician because you never answer the question.

Yes! There it is! The Second Commandment!

40, still waitin on your response.

your cheerleader Eve can respond to this as well, as she keeps agreeing with you dodging.

Eve is wise and knows truth when she sees it.
People with Common Sense often agree.

As far as you and Pit questioning the Morals of others, well...

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So..... Not gonna answer then?

K.

I understand the Republican "leadership" is going bonkers trying to figure out what to call a brokered convention. The Dems on the other hand, are wondering if they should pull Biden out of the closet if Hillary is indicted and the socialist wins. If Trump continues to garner the support of "angry Americans" he will have "angry democrats" voting for him in the general election giving him a mandate. I think this is what most of the leadership of both parties fear the most.

The majority of democrats aren't gonna vote for trump, even if Hilary gets charged. They will just go to Bernie.

You need to be worried about the high number of republicans not even bothering to vote in the next election if trump is the nominee.

Y'all need to figure out your owns party's path before you even think about worrying about the democrats. You guys are divided on such a large scale that international news sites are constantly running stories about it.

Honest question: You say the gop needs to figure out it's own path before worrying about the dems - ok - so, what is the dem's path?

I think there is going to be a bunch of surprised people...I hated Trump...but if my choice is him or the Dem ticket..thats an easy choice for me.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2...hillary-clinton

Keep believing he is no threat to the Dem party...and the crowds he is getting at his speaking engagements are getting bigger and bigger...its a long process...but I dont think he is going anywhere.

Yes you are spot on. I heard some in the FBI are really upset that Justice is holding back on indicting the bag lady. The evidence is apparently really damning.
They may have to open that coffin and let Joe run. Did you hear Biden say he regrets not running every day now?

My Brother is a big Trump guy and he even wears the Trump hat out in public. Most people tell him they like Trump but don't tell anyone about it because of the Crying Libby Class. He was at a bar the other day, sitting with a bunch of Republicans and Democrats from around the community. They were all in agreement that Trump was the Man.

They took turns taking selfies while wearing my Brother's hat!

This is the best Primary I have ever seen, can't wait till the votes start coming in to see if Trump will have a landslide or flop. Who will rise if he flops and will Gumby (Bush) ever get the respect he thinks he deserves.

Sit back and watch the train wreck.

Hilary most likely isn't gonna be charged.

Even if she is, all the votes will just go to Bernie, even though his campaign strategist are gonna have to tell him to cool it with the extremism he has of being a pretty far left candidate.

Bernie vs trump. Bernie will probably win slightly. Bernie might be too extreme for a lot of people, but whether it's warranted or not, trump is already viewed as sexist, racist, and xenophobic.

We can debate those 3 all we want, but when you have a lot of people on the right calling him that, that's a huge problem in a national election.

The democrats strategy only changes if by the grace of God, Rubio or bush wins the bid.

Then the whole thing becomes an actual race. Rubio and bush aren't extreme. Can't call bush sexist or racist because he speaks Spanish, supports the Latino community and isn't for breaking up immigrant families.

If you wanted a candidate on the right that can get a ton of Independent votes, Bush is the guy.

Rubio..... There's too much crap with him and his lack of financial discipline, especially his personal finance. But he's also Latino, and more center right. I dunno if he could generate a ton of independent votes like bush can, but he would probably have a better shot at getting the GOP united in supporting him. That's a huge start.

Unfortunately for the GOP, that's probably not gonna happen. You're two most viable candidates barely made the main stage for tonight's debate.


The 3 extremist are right now leading the polls, with the most extreme most likely winning the republican ticket.

So all the dems have to do is sit back in watch.

That's just my opinion, Tim. I really like political strategies. It's a fun hobby to be in.

I'm not impressed with huge crowds.

Besides, I'm skeptical of trump and crowds, seeing as he paid a bunch of people to be at his republican nomination announcement.

http://www.businessinsider.com/paid-actors-at-donald-trump-announcement-2015-6

Swish I know the guys rich...but you telling me the crowds he is drawing are paid for

He is filling stadiums man...But go ahead and believe what you want...like I said I dont like the guy but them crowds are not being paid for by him...have a good day...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016...lorida-tonight/

That is a lot of paid people...and that is one of the smaller crowds Ive seen...he isnt going away...we will see november is a long way off in the political world.

I'm sure now it's not all paid for.

But when you gotta pay people to cheer when you initially start out, it's hard for me to consider the guys campaign isn't a circus.

If any other candidates do it, then that applies to them as well, republican or not.

He's drawing huge crowds now, right?

Well so are other candidates.

Mitt Romney had huge crowds.

McCain had huge crowds.

And they still lost.

Crowd drawing means what?

I think it's Joe's call, if he wants the nomination he will tell Obama to indict Billary. Crazy Bernie will get the boot at a "bamboozlement" convention. Trump would have a ball with Biden.

So, you mean the dems never bring up JFK? If Reagan is the Jesus of the republican party, JFK is his dad for the democrats.

Did I say never?

Or did I say he isn't our republican version of Jesus?

Yes, we bring him up, but not even remotely at the rate you guys bring up Reagan.

He might be dad, but he isn't Jesus.

Our version would probably be Clinton, if there's even a comparison to the borderline worshipping you guys do with Reagan.

Oh, please. The dems have been praying at the alter of JFK for 50 years. He gets brought up all the time. They even put up his lesser brother to be president, when teddy said, "I don't know" when asked why he was running. Obummercare was attributed to kennedys everywhere.

You mean to romneys everywhere.

Anyway, I don't think jfk compared to the level of animal sacrifices republicans do in the name of Reagan.

And the sacrifices worked. Kennedys keep dying left and right.

And that's a sham, and a shame.


So, because the republican nominee is still up in the air, the republicans battling it out means trump has no chance?

But, if Hillary is indicted, democratic votes will go to bernie? Nice open mind by the dems.




And not take a stand other than "we're going to tax the rich and make them pay more than their full share, cause it will get the votes of people we need. ???

Hillary is for raising taxes - yet she uses all the loopholes she can get. So do others, don't get me wrong. But her latest stump that's reported by the media is "I'm going to take from the wealthy in order to get for the poor"......and that sells. To dumb voters.

It doesn't happen though.

The r's have an inter party fight going on. When that fight is decided, they just might come together.

The d's have hillary, and if she's in legal trouble, as just about any other person with her level of lying would be, the d's will jump to bernie and his "we'll take from the rich to give to the poor".

Got it.

it's way more complicated than that.

which is why you gave a very simplistic answer to a complicated problem. it doesn't work.

which is also why you choose to only highlight the parts about hilary, and none of the parts when i mention rubio and bush.

this is why i always say it seems i'm one of the few objective people on this board. i say a lot about whats wrong with dems, even though i'm liberal.

but you always deflect to the bad with dems, and never comment on the bad with republicans.

i'll respond to your post when you come with a post with some substance.

Hilary is losing ground to bernie because hilary spends her time denying the truth of her lies, and attacking the republicans.

She spends little to no time with "plans"........she wants everyone to take her word on her lies, and campaigns as if she's already going against the republicans.

Face it swish, if you or I were in politics and had all the crap hillary has, we'd have been prosecuted.

She should be as well.

When you can refute that, we'll talk.

Remember the "used personal e-mail so I didn't need to have all kinds of devices" argument?

"Never sent or received classified e-mails."? Proven wrong.

Didn't ask for classified info to be sent to her - even though an e-mail explicitly asked for that?

"What difference does it make" concerning Benghazi.

Using her position (literally given to her for no other reason than her last name is clinton) to amass money for her foundation?

Flat broke when they left the whitehouse?

Multimillionaires now. (did they ever pay their legal debt?)

Wanting to raise taxes on the rich, while she herself has (well, with bill) used every opportunity to get out of paying taxes?

She's a liar of record proportions - way beyond her husband.

And yet people will vote for her??????????????

She's been caught in so many "I never did that", "well, maam, yes you did, and here's the proof" situations it's beyond ludicrous.

Yup, when you have an open mind, we'll discuss things. Until then........?

J/C...

I believe it would have been more accurate with a sheep in the picture rather than a cow. But otherwise, I believe it's totally accurate.

this is what i'm talking about, it's all about hilary with you. nothing else.

you can't tell somebody to have an open mind while you continue to keep yours shut.

hilary has done some shady ass stuff. i've admitted that over.

and over

and over

and over again, yet you seem to keep ignoring that little nugget.

but all the politicians have done some shady crap.

you keep posting "she lies, she's a liar"

well no duh, bro. but you, yourself, have also said that all politicians lie.

they all got their money using leverage from their political positions.

i'm tired of you and others ignoring what i'm saying, so i'm going to highlight this part, and if you choose to ignore it again, then it shows that the only person with a close mind on this board is you

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remember how you was saying "well, everything you're saying about trump, sounds like you're talking about hilary"?

that's because they're ALL the same.

all of them. don't matter who. close your eyes, pick at a random picture of a politician. yep, you got it, they're still the same person as the other guy.

they all lie.

they all cheat.

they all claim to have religious moral high ground even though some how, some way, they get caught in a sex scandal.

they all are bought by special interest groups.

they all got money tied into places they have no business being affiliated with.

and WE ALL KNOW that the most of the politicians, left or right, should probably be in jail for something.

the american political system is so corrupt, it probably beats out some of these african countries for who has the most shady politicians located in one area.

i've said this over

and over

and over

and over again on this board arch, that the way our political system is set up, the corruption levels will continue to rise.

we have TWO. a whooping TWO political parties that are viable. the tea party is just an extension of the GOP. whatever the equivalent is from the left, it's simply an extension of the democrats.

i look at that and i'm like "all we got is two? even if it's an illusion, at least plenty of governments around the world have multiple parties to choose from, and are actually viable with the amount of seats they have".

bruh, all we have is TWO. one says yes, the other says no, nothing gets done.

our political system needs a massive overhaul, starting with term limits. right now-and i've said this before- we have a modern day monarchy, or a royalty class, if you will.

we got people who have been in power so long its astounding. we left England to get away from the monarchy, amongst other reason, then just turned around and made a modern day version of it. that's all we did.

so when you're crying about corruption and people lying, i'm sitting here reading this like "ok, who hasn't"?

we all know they aren't gonna go to jail for it.

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that being said, it comes down to who sucks less. it has ALWAYS come down to who sucks less. and to ME, even with the laundry list of flaws Hilary has, she's still better than Trump.

Bernie, with the laundry list of flaws, is still better than Trump.

because you can't label them two as racist, sexist, or xenophobic.

right now, our country to the outside world, looks like racist, sexist, and xenophobic.

you might not think that matters, but when it comes to foreign relations, and attracting great people with great skills to come here in work, that matters.

so you guys wanna elect the guy that represents those three qualities?

and yet you wonder why the GOP has such a massive perception problem?

Ask Erik. Erik might not agree with me simply because he never agrees with anything i say, but one thing he has to admit, that anybody who has ever been in the military, or worked for the government, with the government, or been affiliated with the government will tell you:

it's not about what you're doing. it's about what you APPEAR to be doing. perception is absolutely everything, in pretty much anything you do in life.

Trump doesn't help himself at ALL. he might not be sexist, but when he attacks a fellow republican nominee and Megyn Kelly over their looks, kinda looks like a sexist, don't ya think?

he might not be a racist, but when you start calling everybody in the latino community rapist and criminals, he might look kinda racist, don't ya think?

he might not be xenophobic. but when you say you're gonna ban all muslims from coming into the country, kinda looks xenophobic, don't ya think? oh, that's also illegal, BTW. you can only ban citizens from countries that are considered enemies of the state, but you can't discriminate based off religion. that's unconstitutional.

you would hope a potential POTUS would know that. but i digress.

so i dunno what to tell you bro. at this point, it's innocent until proven guilty, and until she gets formally charged AND convicted, tough luck.

Neo-Con argument: My religious beliefs trump all beliefs of everyone no matter what. Then call them unmoral.

Every. Single. Time.

I'm on my phone so forgive spelling..Romney and McCain was terrible..I felt like puking when I voted for John M. The Republicans listened to the stupid media and dems..saying they needed a more centrist candidate..and freaking romney was the answer the rep..come up with:/

My point is..everyone says Trump is a joke will lose..ect..well the guy is pulling in giant crowds..is sticking his finger up at the GOPE and the rep..base is loving it...they can't buy him..when we have a 2 party system and they,suck..this is the vacuum that happens.

If I was the democrats...I'd want Jeb and kasich or christie,..to be the nomination to..because it would be just like McCain and Romney ..a win for the dems...like it or not...admit it or not...freaking Trump is getting people riled up...and I think he has a serious shot at winning the whole thing.

This is completely different from McCain and romney..I remember some of my friends saying the same about Barry..he won't beat the Clinton machine..and then barry's crowds started getting bigger and bigger...just like trumps are...and weather u belive or not..Barry is George bush...and Trump is going to win I think because of it.

Hillary is awful..I voted for bill c. But hildog no way..I like my money so Bernie would never be a choice for me...I do agree hillary won't go to jail..but if u me or anyone else that had a clearance and did what she did we would be in prison...for far less..

I'm just saying man..for someone who is a pile of poopoo..Trump is pulling massive crowds/support and not just from the crazy right wing but from democrats also..

When I get back to town/home I'll clarify...and back up what I say with proof. I can't stand replying on my phone..and won't be near a,pc for couple more days.

I think the dems are toast this election cycle and it will be done thanks to freaking Trump...I wish it would've been anyone but him..but it is what it is....and I don't see how McCain or Romney are even comparable to this election Cycle...and by all means I hope the D's run Bernie as the nomination..I still remember the map on the TV of the butt whoopen...Carter took and it will be the same thing if bernie gets the nod.I don't think he will but crazier stuff has happened...and I think Trump will beat Hillary,also...I remember being a kid and the media saying Carter would win right up to election time...so we will see...I'll try to reply in a few days..I'm just not able to right now..and won't have my phone in about 20 min..so don't take my slow/non response as not being interested in discussing this..have a great night.GO CAVS

Weird.

Pretty much everything you claim to have said, I've also said. Pretty much.

Minor differences here and there.

Open your mind.

You're almost there, but not quite. The federal government is a huge, wasteful beast, that is more geared to keeping their 'federal employment' in place. If a government department does not spend it's allotted money in a fiscal year, it's budget gets slashed. If they over spend, they get more money. Therefore, there is a ton of waste in the federal government. They will hire people to do nothing. My wife worked for the DoC for a while, and her boss, who was sexually harassing women in their office, was finally brought up on EEOC charges. He got promoted into a position where he has an office, but no work and no staff. He got more pay and had to produce nothing as punishment.

We all know of an instance that is similar, especially if you have worked for or around the federal government. This is why I would prefer a Constitutionalist elected to the highest office. History has shown that when the federal government shrinks, the private sector grows. Our fellow citizens should never be able to be held hostage either by a government shut down, or the blame of a government shut down. The federal government shouldn't be doing 3/4s of the tasks they have taken upon themselves to do. We are sliding into a socialist state.

I have to admit, I'm pretty much over politics. I probably won't even vote because I'm just sick of it. I'm sick of candidates lying, sick of people bickering over stupid crap, sick of every argument being framed with bumper sticker logic, sick of the way the media frames issues, sick of the credit and blame game.....

Yesterday afternoon I was 100 feet from the facility in Charleston where they were holding the debate and I didn't even care... The more I follow politics, the angrier I get, the more it affects my mood and disposition... it's not worth it.

I have a few friends on facebook who post a lot of angry and sarcastic political stuff (one way or the other)... I've unfriended most of them...

Nothing is going to change and if it does change... it's probably not going to be because of the President.

I don't vote.

My reason being that an uninformed vote is worse than a non-vote. How does one become informed? Hell if I know. Is there any straight information available? There are conflicting "facts" being thrown all around as the truth. How is one supposed to compare one candidate to another? For me, going to the poll is looking at a list of names of whom I know nothing about due to the ridiculous amount of bad information readily available. What good is a vote based on misinformation? It may as well be a random vote. Therefore I choose not to do more harm than good.

Trump. I think what Trump brings, his 'gift' if you will, is that he is not afraid to say things we are all thinking. For a filthy rich guy, his comments sound like they're coming from the average person who is fed up with the lying and deceit that is politics and the government overall. He doesn't sound like a rich guy who is covering up his self-serving motives under BS comments that make him seem like he understands us. I've noticed a lot of older people like him. I think that's because he's saying the same things these people think and want to hear them said out loud. I think that's why other politicians are so taken aback by him and have no answers for his comments.

Is Trump the truth? Sometimes. Does he have solid solutions for the problems at hand? He doesn't appear to have. Has he shaken up the political arena? He certainly has.

Since I pay little to no attention to politics I see something rather alarming to me, Trump seems nothing like his opponents which appears to be what people really want. That is, people are sick of the typical manner of politicians. Yet, they are concerned that he is not enough like them. I find that odd.

Anyway, this post is evidence of why I rarely read or post in political threads. I have no dogmatic opinions. I get lost in the ever deepening hordes of bad information on everything governmental. Like the rest of you, I have no facts, only opinions based on that bad information. I feel we are fed the information they want us to eat so we can develop opinions on the subjects of which they want us talking about.

I can't get caught up in that.

Thanks for the response ddub.. I agree with pretty much all of it...

The "Trump Phenomenon" is a lot like you describe. I don't even know if the people who support him agree with most of what he says or if they are just happy to have somebody who isn't trying to appease and placate EVERYBODY in an effort to win their support... and who says something controversial and then doesn't immediately back down and apologize. I don't know if he has a clue what he's talking about but he says it with conviction and doesn't back down... and there is something to be said for that.

And you are absolutely correct, a lot of people claim their support is based on facts... which begs the question, which facts?

This all kind of came to a head for me recently when somebody posted something on Obama's accomplisments, comparing them to Bush... one of the claims was how much domestic oil we are using now, compared to when Bush took office, it's at record levels, our imports from the Middle East are down and we are using less... all 3 of these things are great... all 3 of these things, the post gives total credit to Obama and how much better he has been than Bush.

A little fact checking reveals that domestic oil production has been rising steadily since about 2004 due to some policies Bush implemented after Katrina and Obama continued... Obama did expand our ability to drill along the Continental shelf, something he deserves credit for, but while the federal government controls a lot of land (and water) where oil is retrieved, the largest increases have come on private land that the government really has no control over... so who deserves the credit for our increased oil production? Bush... and Obama... and the private sector oil companies... all have had a share in this...

So why must we frame it "us, good.... them, bad"? We had a policy that was working under one party, the other party continued it and improved upon it, and the private sector did what the private sector does.. isn't that how it's supposed to work?

Then there are the economic factors that totally ignore that from about 2003 through 2007, our economy was in pretty darn good shape until the housing collapse, which rippled into the banking collapse, etc... as if that was all Bush's fault. So I assume that if, in the next 6 months, there is some catastrophic event, even if it is outside the control of the President, that causes our stock market to tumble and unemployment to spike that Obama's entire 8 years will have been an abject failure? Simply because the numbers on his exit will not look good?

I'm just fed up with the whole mess...

can you imagine how entertaining those debates would be??

I guess my one liners, and smart ass remarks have kept me safe then