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Why would Horton return?

If that happens, then I might change my mind. I don't see that happening.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/687349566350299136

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Solari

Mike Solari was the offensive line coach for the 49ers under Harbaugh. Their offensive line was dominant during that time period. He was also the Kansas City Chiefs offensive line coach from 1997 to 2005. Their offensive line was dominant during that time period.

My guess is that Solari will be our offensive coordinator, with Jackson calling plays.

He also might not have a job with the Titans.

Actually the Titans' D outperformed their talent level IMO. Their players are garbage, but they were 12th in total defense, 7th against the pass, 18th against the run. 12th in sacks. They did give up 26.4 points per game, though, which was 27th in the league. Also on the negative side was they were 25th in takeaways with only 19.

Bob Wylie as offensive line coach.

I was surprised Horton couldn't do much in Cleveland. Really shocked guys quit on him.

Ray's biggest dilemma this go around getting Browns DBs to tackle.

Horton coming back? I'll believe it when I see it. As for Horton's D's performance... his D is a complicated one that requires time to sink in and do well. I distinctly remember that his coaching style is to just dump the whole playbook on everyone and just grit your teeth and suffer until it's learned vs installing it in small pieces. His short tenure here prevented most of the good from being realized, IMO.

He was one of Adderall Joe's enablers.

At least we would still have some players that played under Horton. Gipson, Robertson, Haden, Kruger, Mingo, Hughes, the Bryants, Poyer, and Carder were all here with Horton in 2013 (some of those guy's futures with the team are up in the air).

Tackle? Ugh I remember that.

You guys think he can make ANYTHING out of Gilbert?

That's one of the things I'm cautiously optimistic about. Maybe the change in personality (or just change, period) can help some of our problematic guys.

If he can get any of Gilbert, Manziel, Gordon, or even Bowe to come around, that's a huge win right there.

Mary Kay's sources!!!

Source tells cleveland.com that Tampa Bay defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier is a candidate to become #Browns DC under Jackson


Like the potential hire putting experience on defense makes a lot of sense. Especially since it received the most attention under Farmer.

That would be good

This move is telling me he really wants to keep JT and Mack around for next year. Even if it is just a false rumor.

If it's Frazier, I want a 1) Bosa, 2) Doctson, 3) Scooby, 4) Striker 5) Trevon Stewart draft.

This would improve Tramon's viability as well.

The entire Bucs coaching staff just got fired because the defense was terrible. Leslie Frazier was the defensive coordinator for that defense.

Also, the Tampa 2 guys scare me. I'd much rather have Horton than Frazier.

"Bob Wylie as offensive line coach"
Coach Wylie has acool gig going on right now down in Cincy.

Hue Jackson reportedly likes Ray Horton as defensive coordinator; Leslie Frazier could be on radar too

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Titans defensive coordinator Ray Horton is a top target of Hue Jackson's to return as defensive coordinator here, according to a report.

Former Bucs defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier might also be on the radar, a source told cleveland.com.

Horton is likely Jackson's No. 1 choice, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
The problem is he's still under contract with the Tennessee Titans and they might not give him permission to interview.

The Titans are still in the process of hiring their head coach, and depending on who they hire, Horton might be asked to stick around. The Titans finished 12th in total defense this season, including seventh against the pass. They were 27th in the NFL with 26.4 points per game.

The Titans are interviewing former Bills coach Doug Marrone, interim coach Mike Mularkey and Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin for their head coach vacancy this week, according to reports.

If Mularkey gets the job, Horton would be a natural choice for him.

Horton served as Browns defensive coordinator in 2013 under Rob Chudzinski. His 3-4 defense finished ninth overall with 332.4 yards per game and 16th with 40 sacks. But it was 23rd in points allowed, 30th in red zone defense and 31st on third down.

Frazier, the former head coach of the Vikings, was told last week that his 2016 option will not be picked up by the Bucs. Therefore, the Browns would not need permission to interview him.

The Bucs finished 10th in total defense, including 11th against the rush and 16th against the pass. They were also 26th in points allowed.

Frazier, a former defensive coordinator of the Bengals when Jackson was receivers coach there, was 18-29 in his three full seasons as head coach of the Vikings from 2011-13.

In other coaching and general manager news Thursday:

• Bears director of college scouting Joe Douglas was blocked from interviewing with the Browns for their GM job, according to NFL Network. A source told cleveland.com that some teams won't let their top personnel men interview for the job because they're not getting final say over the 53-man roster, and therefore, it's not a true promotion.

• Browns quarterbacks coach Kevin O'Connell will not be retained by Jackson, according to Bruce Feldman of Fox Sports. O'Connell was one of four assistants who were asked to stay if the new coach wanted them. The others were offensive coordinator John DeFilippo, secondary coach Jeff Hafley and assistant secondary coach Aaron Glenn.

Mike Triplett of espn.com reported that Glenn will be joining the Saints staff. Jackson might talk to DeFilippo about staying. Jackson also worked with running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery in Baltimore and could talk to him too.

• Former Lions general manager Martin Mayhew will interview for the Browns GM job on Thursday, according to ESPN's Josina Anderson.

• The Browns might hire Packers assistant Mike Solari as offensive line coach, according to Jason Cole of bleacherreport.com.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/01/leslie_frazier_on_browns_hue_j.html

I would like to have Horton back, but I think I am just sick and tired of the 3-4.

its what horton runs....

I know, he was here after all - and that's why I said I think I'm sick of the 3-4. It's sucked under so many various coaches/coordinators. Dick Jauron's defense wasn't flashy and very conservative, but least I thought it was overall decent. Horton seemed to be able to start being able to stop the run with us, but needed time/help in other areas. I don't know, seems like a worthless cause.

Ray Horton was that dude.. Defense really showed up for him too! If we can get him. omg. I'd be stoked.

All I remember of Ray's defense, was that they sucked on 3rd down. Just like every defense we've had for years.They put teams in third and long, and then give up 15 yard plays. It's maddening.

Just to add from the article above:

But it (Horton's defense) was 23rd in points allowed, 30th in red zone defense and 31st on third down.

That was after being 5th and 19th in points allowed the 2 seasons prior.

Jim Schwartz would be my first choice also...He started in Cleveland with Belichick's staff and his defenses in Detroit and Buffalo we're very good.

I remember for the first six games or so we led the league in rushing D.

So you're a fan of the throw only offense? Better keep 5 QB's on the roster. Flip's never run offense gets QB's killed. Flip SUCKED at calling plays. Now, if coach wants to keep Flip as a pseudo OC running Hue Jackson's offense and with Coach Jackson calling the plays? That's fine. No way do I want a repeat of this years pathetic offense or of Flips play calling. Biggest thing I took from the Bengals offense this year under Jackson was they rushed for over 1800 yards and scored 18 rushing TD's. Now THAT's what I'm talking about.

Not a big Horton Fan !

Don't you think that Flip, under Hue's influence, would integrate more running? Hue was a run first OC.

I think Flip was pass heavy because Crowell is not that good, and Duke is not a prototypical every-down back.

If we run a 3-4 I wouldn't mind Horton's return. However, I really hope we hire a 4-3 DC. Far easier to find players, easier to teach, if done right highly effective.

You sure? I think he is coaching for Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

I can not remember. Did Frazier run Tampa 2 in Minnesota? Frazier did some things with the Vikings.

Didn't seem to be a problem the year before.... We went from 16 rushing TD's to 5. For most of the season that number stood at 2. Flip just didn't try to run the ball. No attempt was made to develop that aspect of the offense at any time this season. To run the ball you have to WANT to run the ball. It has to be a priority.

I reluctantly agree. I am a big fan of Flip. I could not put my finger on why the run game struggled. McCown is slow, but the backs could do nothing while Johnny was playing too. It couldn't be the OL. Johnny rack up yards. That means one thing...Flip.

Yes, the Vikes ran the tampa 2 with Frazier.

I know this was heavily debated on the other board, but nobody runs either defense religiously, well, except the Rams.

I'll take hybrid there is simply so much you can do. New England is a perfect example one week 3-4, next 4-3, another week both. Play against others weakness.

Seattle runs a vanilla 4-3 defense. Nothing complicated about what they do.