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Since Tabor’s arrival in 2011, the Browns lead the NFL in punt return average (11.3), are tied for fifth in kickoff return average against (21.7) and are tied for sixth in punt return touchdowns (four). The Browns have won six AFC Special Teams Player of the Week awards from 2011-15.

Last season, Tabor guided a special teams unit that finished fourth in the NFL in punt return average (11.2), fifth in kickoff return yards (1,041) and fifth in total kick return yards (1,366). First-year kicker Travis Coons set an NFL record with 18 consecutive field goals to start his career. Punter Andy Lee set franchise best single-season marks in punt average (46.71) and net punt average (40.13). Punt returner Travis Benjamin finished third in the league in punt return average (11.6). link

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The Browns have hired Hue Jackson as their new head coach and Jackson said at his introductory press conference that he is getting right to work on building his coaching staff.

“I am going to attract some good coaches and some great coaches, but to me we have to find the right fit for us,” Jackson said. “How fast that process is going to go? I don’t know, but I do need to get on that phone and start returning some of those text messages.”

One of those messages may have been sent to Pep Hamilton. Tony Grossi of ESPN Cleveland reports that Jackson met with the former Colts offensive coordinator on Friday. Hamilton was fired by the Colts in early November after two-plus years in the job. He was previously the offensive coordinator at Stanford and had stints as a position coach with the Jets, 49ers and Bears before going to Palo Alto.

Jackson said he was undecided about whether he’d call the offensive plays for the Browns in 2016, although he also added that it was something he loves to do.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/15/report-pep-hamilton-met-with-hue-jackson-friday/

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I suggest Don Rickles for the Joey Porter role.

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Seattle has some pretty good LBs and DBs to overcome that front-four's weaknesses. Rube is a good player but lost a step or two. He is the cornerstone on that line. I'm happy Rube found a place that he is perfectly suited.


Come on, bugs. They have Michael Bennett and Avril. Man, you guys kill me.

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I'm fine with this, it isn't Shurmur who has barely ever called plays and had never been a head coach:

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New Browns coach Hue Jackson revealed Friday during a radio interview he doesn’t plan to hire an offensive coordinator.


http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns...inator-1.655024

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Now I understand the position of "Running game coordinator"

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Now I understand the position of "Running game coordinator"


I thought that was a weird title too. A lot of college teams do stuff like that.

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I'm sure I missed it but did he have one in Oakland?


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
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Seattle has some pretty good LBs and DBs to overcome that front-four's weaknesses. Rube is a good player but lost a step or two. He is the cornerstone on that line. I'm happy Rube found a place that he is perfectly suited.


Come on, bugs. They have Michael Bennett and Avril. Man, you guys kill me.

Are you saying the front four is the staple of that defense? Move that same front four to Cleveland we see equal output? I don't mean numbers. I'm talking ability.

I think because of the secondary that front seven can do more.

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Seattle has some pretty good LBs and DBs to overcome that front-four's weaknesses. Rube is a good player but lost a step or two. He is the cornerstone on that line. I'm happy Rube found a place that he is perfectly suited.


Come on, bugs. They have Michael Bennett and Avril. Man, you guys kill me.

Are you saying the front four is the staple of that defense? Move that same front four to Cleveland we see equal output? I don't mean numbers. I'm talking ability.

I think because of the secondary that front seven can do more.



I think the opposite is true, did you see Bennett against the Vikings? He was unstoppable.

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I'm sure I missed it but did he have one in Oakland?


He did, despite having Al Saunders on the sideline with him.

And guys like Mike McCarthy still call plays on the sideline.


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Seattle has some pretty good LBs and DBs to overcome that front-four's weaknesses. Rube is a good player but lost a step or two. He is the cornerstone on that line. I'm happy Rube found a place that he is perfectly suited.


Come on, bugs. They have Michael Bennett and Avril. Man, you guys kill me.

Are you saying the front four is the staple of that defense? Move that same front four to Cleveland we see equal output? I don't mean numbers. I'm talking ability.

I think because of the secondary that front seven can do more.



I think the opposite is true, did you see Bennett against the Vikings? He was unstoppable.

You do know Vikings OL is simply ok.

As a DL, knowing my secondary can stop about any receiver. My biggest concern is stopping the run. As long as I maintain gap integrity I can apply pressure. Talk about simplifying ones job.

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I wouldn't even call them ok.

Bennet was feasting on the entire line. Nobody could stop him, not even double teaming him.


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Not sure on Hue calling his own plays.
Seems like a lot to take on particularly given how big his task is already.
He better install a GREAT DC if this is the case.
I guess from the presser that of the 142 dudes sending him applications for coaching roles there was nobody suitable or better than him at calling plays?
Hope he surrounds himself in support......


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I'd prefer him to not call his own plays his first year, but I REALLY wanted him at least to have someone in a coordinator role ala Shurmer in his later years.

I do not like this. Now it becomes even more critical to land a dynamite DC. The guy will already be stretched too thin.


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I have no problem with Bootyskin thinking he is the best man for the job. I agree that he will need a strong defensive coordinator.

Weird that the Titans are interviewing Horton for their head coaching position tomorrow. They seem to be wandering aimlessly searching for a coach.

Also, Leslie Frazier was hired by the Ravens today, so he's out of the picture (I am okay with that).

My fingers are still crossed for Schwartz.

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Football is won at the LOS......Knight is right the front 7 make that secondary look real good. They are good players, but you put Sherman in Cleveland where he would have 3+ seconds to cover the luster would come off a little bit. Conversely put Haden in Seattle and he's a perennial All Pro as well.

Backend players are important, but the ability to apply pressure in football will always be key to stopping a passing game. It helps when you can do it without blitzing to.


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Originally Posted By: bugs
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Seattle has some pretty good LBs and DBs to overcome that front-four's weaknesses. Rube is a good player but lost a step or two. He is the cornerstone on that line. I'm happy Rube found a place that he is perfectly suited.


Come on, bugs. They have Michael Bennett and Avril. Man, you guys kill me.

Are you saying the front four is the staple of that defense? Move that same front four to Cleveland we see equal output? I don't mean numbers. I'm talking ability.

I think because of the secondary that front seven can do more.


I didn't say any such thing. I said that Bennett and Avril are very good players, while you said that Reubs was the cornerstone of their DL.

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I'd prefer him to not call his own plays his first year, but I REALLY wanted him at least to have someone in a coordinator role ala Shurmer in his later years.

I do not like this. Now it becomes even more critical to land a dynamite DC. The guy will already be stretched too thin.


I agree w/your points. I do think this is a big deal.

Hue calling his own plays is one thing. Not having an OC to help out is another.

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Backend players are important, but the ability to apply pressure in football will always be key to stopping a passing game. It helps when you can do it without blitzing to.


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In a radio interview, new Browns coach Hue Jackson said he is not planning to hire an offensive coordinator.

"Right now in my mind, I don't really plan on having an offensive coordinator," Jackson said, "because I want to reserve that right to call plays." Even when the head coach calls plays, teams will traditionally give the top assistant a coordinator title. The Browns are deviating far from tradition this offseason, so it is possible no coach is given the coordinator tag. Even so, Jackson will certainly bring in several coaches to assist on the offensive side. Ex-Colts OC Pep Hamilton was interviewed Friday and could be added with an assistant head coach title. No matter what happens, it is clear Jackson will be calling the plays in 2016. That is great news for Isaiah Crowell, Duke Johnson and whichever rookie is under center next season.

http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nfl/football?r=1


If we bring Pep in, he would essentially be the same as any other offensive coordinator that doesn't call plays (NO, GB prior to this year etc) just without the title.


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Originally Posted By: Versatile Dog
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I'd prefer him to not call his own plays his first year, but I REALLY wanted him at least to have someone in a coordinator role ala Shurmer in his later years.

I do not like this. Now it becomes even more critical to land a dynamite DC. The guy will already be stretched too thin.


I agree w/your points. I do think this is a big deal.

Hue calling his own plays is one thing. Not having an OC to help out is another.


It does seem a bit odd, but I don't know that there won't be anyone to help out.

I see it as him wanting to install his own system, so who better to do that than him? Sounds like Hue is going to concentrate mostly with the passing game since he hired a running game coordinator. My guess is that the running game guy(can't think of his name) will be the top offensive assistant.

As for Hue calling plays, no big deal there. Lot's of coaches have done that.


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He just needs to truly hit a home run with his DC. Hire Lovie Smith to run the D. give him HC type money getter done.

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... the ability to apply pressure in football will always be key to stopping a passing game. It helps when you can do it without blitzing to.


I agree with this. An effective pass rush would make our suspect secondary look above average, IMO. That's why, as much as I like Ray Horton, I'd rather the Browns would talk to - and hire - Lovie Smith as D-Coord. He's committed to the 4-3, which, with the right personnel, can create pressure without sending LBs or DBs to rush the passer. The last thing I'd want to see is for the Browns to take Joey Bosa and then watch him trying to drop into coverage as a 3-4 OLB.

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Lovie's D might be to sophisticated for the players we have now..

O'Neil had to simplify his D.. or was it O'Neil had to use his players right..

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I was fully expecting the Browns to have Shelton playing bump and run against Antonio Brown in that last game lol

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I was fully expecting the Browns to have Shelton playing bump and run against Antonio Brown in that last game lol


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LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Agree about the pressure. People (both on these message boards and in NFL front offices) get caught up on the importance of Db's. But with the pass interference rules in today's game you can't count on you Db's to blanket cover anyone. You need to to pressure the Qb into not seeing the open receiver, into making bad throws and into interceptions. Sacks are great but harassing the Qb even without getting the sack is important.

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I have always felt the Browns have been a 4-3 team pretending to be a 3-4. Steelers, Ravens 3-4 Bengals browns 4-3. silly i know but we just have never felt like a team running an effective 3-4

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j/c...

Sounds like Pep has been offered the position, if he wants it.


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Originally Posted By: DeisleDawg
Lovie's D might be to sophisticated for the players we have now..

O'Neil had to simplify his D.. or was it O'Neil had to use his players right..


While reading about Lovie, I came across this blog. It speaks in terms of the simplicity of his defense vs any given 3-4 ...

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So when Lovie Smith explains why he is so committed to the 4-3 and the advantage he thinks it has, from a coaching viewpoint, you can probably apply that directly to what Marinelli is trying to do this season. It may also extrapolate to why the Cowboys made the switch from the 3-4 to the 4-3 in 2013.

To paraphrase what Smith says, it all comes down to simplicity. The down linemen learn one thing - rush the quarterback. They are focused on going forward into the offensive backfield, and will react to the run on the way if needed. But the first job they have at the snap of the ball is to fire off, or fulfill their role in a stunt with the same objectives to penetrate, contain, and tackle.

The primary edge rushers in a 4-3 are the defensive ends. In a 3-4, the primary edge rushers are the outside linebackers. But those linebackers also have a responsibility to drop into coverage depending on the defensive call. And that is the advantage Smith sees in the 4-3: You do not have to teach your linemen to drop and defend the pass. All your time in practice is spent teaching them to attack and defeat the pass protectors.

Previous articles here have talked about the advantages of keeping the assignments simple, but Smith brings up the fact that it makes the time in practice much more effective. That was, for me, a new idea. With the rules in the CBA, the time available for teams to actually practice is limited. Instead of having to split what time is available between teaching your best pass rushers two inherently contradictory skills (drive forward towards the quarterback while forcefully knocking, pummeling, or shoving the blocker out of the way versus dropping back in coverage with limited contact allowed), you can focus on one thing, which the player will do all the time, so that it becomes his first, second and third instinct when the play begins.



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Excellent read.. Thanks for posting that..

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Not really a surprise...Flip will get scooped up by someone.

Hue has his offensive playbook and since he is calling the plays, I figure he will be the de facto OC, looking to hire a helper.


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Damn. Wishing Flip well. He should be getting plenty of phone calls.

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Flip might end up as a HC this season. I heard he has gotten some interest from some of the teams still looking. He definitely has potential.


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