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If the Browns want to draft and develop a QB, it is best to put that QB behind a veteran OLine.

But, because we have new management, there is no way to know if they will put a high priority on keeping this OLine together.

If we draft an offensive linemen #2 overall this franchise deserves the misery and suckitude it has brought upon itself. It will prove that they will NEVER learn and so do the fans that keep on insisting we spend high draft picks on offensive line.

Why create a need when you don't have to? Why not just do all you can to keep all three?

If the Browns want to draft and develop a QB, it is best to put that QB behind a veteran OLine.

But, because we have new management, there is no way to know if they will put a high priority on keeping this OLine together.

I was thinking about this, if we couldn't retain either Thomas or Schwartz, would Joel Bitonio be an option at either spot?

It still leaves a hole in the middle there, something maybe we would have a better chance getting someone via free agency or mid round in the draft.

thinking out loud and wondering...

Paztor could actually beat out Greco if they all stayed. In Hue's system there are a lot of plays with pulling guards, centers and tackles. That is what Paztor does best. Bitonio should do well in that area as well and same with Mack and Thomas. Schwartz will probably not be asked to pull much. It's not what he does best.

I wonder if I am Grecco's only fan on this board? People talk about Schwartz being underrated, but I think Grecco is severely under appreciated. He is strong enough at the point of attack, but perhaps a bit tall for RG. He pulls well. He area blocks well. He plays w/a lot of intelligence. I think he is a very good player.

I hope we keep the OL together. They are much better than some posters give them credit for.

I wonder if I am Grecco's only fan on this board? People talk about Schwartz being underrated, but I think Grecco is severely under appreciated. He is strong enough at the point of attack, but perhaps a bit tall for RG. He pulls well. He area blocks well. He plays w/a lot of intelligence. I think he is a very good player.

I hope we keep the OL together. They are much better than some posters give them credit for.

I wonder if I am Grecco's only fan on this board? People talk about Schwartz being underrated, but I think Grecco is severely under appreciated. He is strong enough at the point of attack, but perhaps a bit tall for RG. He pulls well. He area blocks well. He plays w/a lot of intelligence. I think he is a very good player.

I hope we keep the OL together. They are much better than some posters give them credit for.

I thought we were to have our GM by the end of last week?

I was probably the 1st Greco fan on this board. (gotta root for the guy from my alma mater, Boardman High)

I was probably the 1st Greco fan on this board. (gotta root for the guy from my alma mater, Boardman High)

That said, I really liked this Pasztur kid, and the way he was able to pull effectively. I wonder, out of him, Bitonio, and Greco, who would be our best Guard duo? However, depending on what happens with the OL as the off-season goes on, maybe we'll need all 3 of those guys.

I wonder if I am Grecco's only fan on this board? People talk about Schwartz being underrated, but I think Grecco is severely under appreciated. He is strong enough at the point of attack, but perhaps a bit tall for RG. He pulls well. He area blocks well. He plays w/a lot of intelligence. I think he is a very good player.

I hope we keep the OL together. They are much better than some posters give them credit for.

I haven't been reading or posting on here very much lately, so please forgive me if this has been posted before (it's an in depth look at Shon Coleman by LeCharles Bentley).

I haven't been reading or posting on here very much lately, so please forgive me if this has been posted before (it's an in depth look at Shon Coleman by LeCharles Bentley).

OLP - Block Report - Steelers
The newest member of the Cleveland Browns, Shon Coleman, could be a tremendous value pick in the third-round. Shon Coleman has all of the prerequisite tools to qualify himself as a first-round NFL draft selection. When you hear of teams “checking the boxes”, there aren’t many boxes he’s going to leave unmarked. This kid is smart, tough, hardworking, and will represent what the Cleveland Browns used to be, and are working to reclaim. This organization, just as many others, has missed on drafts picks. Shon Coleman in the third-round was a smart pick with the potential to be a brilliant one.

The Caveat

With any draft pick, there has to be a plan in place addressing the flaws. Every player selected is carrying a bag full of issues that can affect their development in the NFL. The players selected higher in the draft are thought to have less, while the lower drafted players appear to have more. Well, it’s not the quantity of flaws, it’s the type of flaws seperating the flame out first-round pick versus the undrafted player that has a great career. The Browns haven’t displayed the propensity to develop a proactive plan in addressing these issues. Johnny Manziel, Cam Erving, Josh Gordon, and Justin Gilbert are examples. I understand each of the players were selected by multiple regimes, but the point stands. The people in the 2016 draft room aren’t all innocent bystanders.

It’s my understanding the current plan for Shon Coleman is to play him on the right side. In theory, it addresses a need. In reality, it’s a poor idea, unless there’s a plan in place to address his flaws. Shon Coleman is a project, he’s not a plug and play draft pick. If he’s expected to be the “answer,” without the organization giving him an answer key, this will be another wasted draft pick and Browns fans will be singing the same old tune.

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Overall

Shon Coleman is a lesser version of Greg Robinson. I don’t say this solely because of their Auburn roots, but that’s part of the equation. Athletes like Greg Robinson playing offensive line are rare gems. Shon Coleman doesn’t quite have the tool box Greg Robinson has, but he’s not too far outside of the conversation. Shon plays the game with a physical demeanor. When he’s “on,” Shon plays the game with a throwback mentality. The problem with him being “on,” is the fact he’s not always “on.” There are times when he appears to be disconnected to what’s going on. This is surely a cause for alarm, but it’s not inconsistent behavior with extremely physically gifted offensive linemen. Offensive linemen like Shon possess wide receiver like personality traits. This is what I mean. The gifted receivers often shut down when it’s not a “big game,” or they know the ball isn’t coming their way. It’s the same deal with offensive linemen like Shon. When it’s a big game (Texas A&M), they show up. When the opponent or stage isn’t conducive to bringing out their best, they look disconnected. The problem with offensive linemen like this in the NFL, they struggle adjusting to the constant high level competition. Truly special players will fight you in a parking lot, they don’t need the lights of Monday Night Football.

Areas of Improvement

Shon Coleman, like most physically gifted offensive linemen are high level compensators. They are able to cover up mechanical or physical deficiencies by relying on their natural tools. Offensive line in the NFL doesn’t require high level athletic prowess. It’s a position of movement mastery. Shon Coleman will not be able to “get by” with his born ability anymore.

Ankle Immobility – People say Shon plays too high. You would too if your ankles were as stiff as his. If this is not addressed, he will continue to have knee issues and play with poor pad level.

Poor Hip Extension – Shon does not play “through his hips”. He struggles extending himself in the run game, thus playing too stiff legged and wide. This can easily be missed because he wasn’t asked to play in a 3-point stance in college. When he puts his hand in the dirt, can’t hide it there.

Weak Lower Back/Glutes – Typically, when the front (anterior) is tight, the back (posterior) “turns off”. There’s loads of untapped power in his game, but it will not show up until his hips are addressed. Until then, he’s more susceptible to low back, knee, and back injury.

Spread Offense – I won’t mince my words here. Offensive linemen aren’t developed in the spread. There will be an adjustment to the mental and physical demands placed upon him. A simple example, more frequently playing in a 3-point stance. How will he adjust?
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Moving to Right Tackle

This is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. You ever try writing with your left hand, when you’re right handed? That same uncoordinated feeling is what it’s like to switch sides of the line. Also, what happens with the “areas of improvement” mentioned above, they become functional defaults. This means your brain/body has learned how to make the conditions work for you, albeit not optimal, but functional. When you attempt to reverse those engrained firing patterns by flipping sides, it can get costly to performance. Imagine this, putting your dominate hand in a cast for a year. You’ll get pretty decent at working with your non-dominant hand. The brain will adjust for survival. At the end of a year, we remove the cast from what used to be your dominant hand. Your writing with this hand will be very sloppy until the brain rewires itself to become more proficient with the formerly casted hand. This takes time. It takes more time when trying to learn a new playbook, adapt to the NFL game, and learning new surroundings are all taking place at the same time. Will this be an easy transition, not at all. Is it impossible, absolutely not. Will it all happen prior to your quarterback being placed on injured reserve because a defender blew by your right tackle and decapitated him, I hope so.

I’m sure the Browns organization knows all of this and will adjust. If not, they know now. It’s on them to help him and not throw him under the bus if he doesn’t pan out.

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