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i dont have a problem with that. the standard is the standard.

I have a question for you guys who are really into the political stuff.

I am not. I don't vote, and I hate politicians.

But I still hear soundbites from the candidates, as well as see stories posted via twitter and other outlets..

So do you think there is a push, maybe a silent one, from the left FOR Donald Trump to win the Republican nomination?

I just figure that Donald Trump could win the Republication nomination, but I don't honestly think he can win a presidential election. I don't think he will get any votes via democrats, and he probably will lose some via republicans... It's just a feeling I get.

In other words, a Donald Trump on the republican bill would all but seal a democratic win. So as someone who is a supporter of the democratic side, wouldn't you want the Donald up there because he's just not taken seriously by even a lot of people from the right.

I will give you my non political opinion on this matter.

We have just had 8 years of a Democrat President so history and the odds say we will follow it with a Republican.

I will be surprised if Hillary Clinton is not indicted over the Email issue. General Petraeus had to resign over far less. As the facts continue to come out, she may be gone.

So in the end, the American People will have to choose between the Democrats, one who has a lot of legal baggage hanging over her head and the other who is an admitted Socialist and the Republicans, who have clean records for the most part and will be able to challenge the Democrats on issues of trustworthiness, being connected to the previous Presidents agenda, and on Patriotism due to the fact that many older Americans see Socialism as an enemy of the United States.

I believe without a doubt our next President will be Republican.

Which one does not matter.

As a liberal and dmocratic supporter, trump or Cruz winning the republican nomination is like a gift from God.

I've said this over and over and over again, we view the republicans as racist, sexist, and xenophobic. The WORLD, thanks to the Republican Party, views America as racist, sexist, and xenophobic.

Fair description or not, the reality is that the republicans have to battle that perception from everybody before they even BEGIN to debate policy.

So they decide to nominate a guy who represents the three worst qualities of that?

Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you.

As a matter of fact, my opinion also comes from guys that, even though I don't agree with hardly, represent conservatives. Real conservatives.

That's YTown and DC. I'm not sure DC's stance on trump, but YTown already said he won't be voting for him.

The real conservatives? They aren't gonna vote for him. But see, real conservatives are called RINOs today by the far right.

Then you got 40, who tries to make an unbiased opinion, then goes off to say that the republicans have a relatively clean record?

Lol.

That tells you all you need to know, bro.

So yes, us democrats are estatic, because the GOP just handed us the WH for another 4 years.

Coming from an agnostic, that's funny!

Lol, don't gotta be in a set religion to get a gift from God.

I'm extremely disappointed I didn't make your short list of conservatives.

Bill Maher has pointed out that many of Trump's positions on various subjects seem pretty liberal. He mentioned Trump being after the hedge funds, not liking the too big to fail banks or wall street. He also wants tariffs on foreign made goods to level the playing field for US manufacturing. He's also not opposed to raising the taxes on the rich (at least he say's he's not).

Take away his wingnut speeches and he might be a closet liberal! lol

Donald’s most famous building, the Trump Tower, instead of building it as a steel girder building, he chose to build it out of concrete, a 58-story—he says 68 stories—a 58-story concrete building built by a company called A&S [S&A Concrete] construction. And who owned [S&A] construction? "Fat Tony" Salerno, the head of the Genovese crime family in New York, and Paul Gambino—I’m sorry, Paul Castellano, the head of the Gambino family. Trump used the same company for other projects that he built, even though they were more costly than using steel girder construction.

When he tore down the Bonwit Teller building to make way for the Trump Tower, he had about a dozen union house wreckers on the site and about 150 Polish workers, all of them illegally in the country, who he paid $4 to $5 an hour and who did not have hard hats. And Trump claimed in a lawsuit that he had no idea that these workers were there in any way other than an appropriate way. And a federal judge mocked him, pointing out that they were easy to spot because they were the ones who had no hard hats.

Donald’s personal helicopter pilot, Joseph Weichselbaum, was a convicted major cocaine and marijuana trafficker whose criminal case landed before, of all people, Judge Maryanne Trump Barry, Donald Trump’s sister. Now, Judge Barry recused herself, but she also, in the process, made every other judge in the federal system aware of the sensitivity of this particular case.

And in addition, Donald Trump has been found in the past repeatedly to have not paid people he owed money to. It is a standard business practice of his. He has let people think that he fixed Wollman Rink in Central Park for free. He was paid $10 million, but some of his contractors were never paid, because he told them this was a public service project. And he’s been sued innumerable times for racial discrimination of his businesses. He’s been found to have engaged in racial discrimination. He’s not at all who he appears to be.

There's at least 4 people i left off the list.

i mentioned YTown because he's the most recent one i can think of that said he isn't voting for Trump.

i mentioned DC cause we PM on the regular about certain things.


off the top of my head, it goes:

YTown
DC
Arch
Pit
Tulsa
FHB
Purp
and MAYBE Devil.

the far/extreme right is:

40
Mill creek
Erik
Arps
Riley
Eve

now, they might go "you're wrong swish, i'm not far right"

however, since actions speak louder than words, everything they post, especially when they decide to have a blast attacking me, screams far right.


and for the record, i never, and will never deny that i'm a lefty. i see a lot of both sides of the fence, but my personal ideology always ends up being left. not far left, but not exactly center left.

i've just accepted that. i'm a tree hugging, save the world, kumbya, take care of the man/woman beside you liberal.

all wells.

if i left you off the all star list of conservatives, it's because i'm not sure of your position.


oh, and let the record show, that this list is about 70-80% of EE, proving once and for all that this is a conservative dominated board.

So he is a crooked politician?

My position? My position is awesomeness. Check out rockets sig.

I am not a huge fan of Trump, though I do understand his appeal to a lot of people.

If you put me in a booth with a gun to my head and the choices were Hillary or Trump, I'm voting Trump all day every day. But that's a long way from me being excited about it.

If he wins the nomination, I'll be curious to see if/how he moves back toward the center a little. Every candidate does it, hit the fringe to win the primary, move back to the center for the general election... You watch, Hillary will start to distance herself from Obama some if she wins the nomination. She knows she has the fringe left wrapped up..

I am still a Rubio guy.

Now that Trump has Palin on his team I wonder if he'll try to get the bachelor or the osbournes to endorse him next? I figure the kardashians are probably already locked in with hillary.

Phil Robertson has already endorsed Ted Cruz... since Bobby Jindal is out and all...

Palin can only hurt him. She is such an empty headed twit.

lotsa hair... covering air.

But so very easy on the eyes...Sarahhhhh

At least he has the Walmart shopper vote locked up.

Oh, snap!

My Obamacare insurance premium just damn near doubled, for only making a few thousand dollars more. Just like my taxes doubled, only for making a few thousand dollars more.
Just like they planned, all this is only coming to light (for you, we told you it would be like this years ago-on the old board) towards the end of his time in office.
Was I you, I wouldn't be thinking this is a lock at all.
Your supposed lock for the White House let 4 people die (no, we won't let it go, just like we wouldn't let it go if it was you) in Libya and just like 40 said, she's got more against her than General Petraeus did. If there is any justice left in this country she will be indicted for her crimes and at the bare minimum get enough of a slap on the wrist to just go the hell away already.

Unfortunately because I'm not an extremist socially I get labeled as a RINO. I've just never been a big fan of the theocracy certain conservatives try to claim this country should be based on. I don't "support" gay marriage, but it doesn't bother me. I don't "support" abortions, but they're not something that affect my everyday life. However, because I disagree with these 2 issues I'm not "hardcore" enough.

Also I don't hype Trump as the next Reagan which is considered blasphemy.

YTown
DC
Arch
Pit
Tulsa
FHB
Purp
and MAYBE Devil.

the far/extreme right is:

40
Mill creek
Erik
Arps
Riley
Eve

I think I have to look left to see most of those folks.

ohhh I made a list.

And I didn't! What the hell is up with that?

Just argue with swish and call him out a couple times.

For the record, ever since getting in to law enforcement I've actually gotten more Libertarian in my political and social beliefs. I guess you COULD call me conservative to the extent that I believe our gov't and country would be better off moving back toward a Constitutional gov't.

Trump is the GOP version of Obama. When Obama ran, he didn't run on anything actual substantive issue. It was all about taking advantage of peoples' emotions. It's why you had so many idiots thinking he was going to pay their bills for them. It was frankly a near masterful campaign because he would make all these speeches and promises where he let the voters fill in the blanks as to what those promises were.

Trump has also tapped in to emotion, this being anger. Republican voters are tired of having establishment chosen candidates trotted out in front of them, an establishment that spends more time colluding with Dems behind closed doors than they do representing their constituency. McCain threw the election (aside from being a crappy candidate). Romney COULD have won, except he never took the time to try and shake off the fact that he was the establishment candidate. I think many more people would have voted for him, but they were more turned off by the fact that GOP picked the candidate for them. And as for Palin... she's not actually a bad endorsement. Support for her has cooled a bit the closer she and her family have become to reality tv characters, but don't forget: Palini as VP had 10x as many people coming out for her rallies than McCain did.

So yes Swish, a Trump nomination would go a long way in breaking up the GOP. But in that would be the worst thing for Dems because it means they wouldn't be getting away with as much as they have in the past.

The problem I see with Trump supporters is that they assume he's going to be sticking it to the Dems and liberals left in right if he gets in office. I just don't see that happening. I think it much more likely he ends up being more like Boehner and McConnell, leadership that caved more than they ever should have.

I know the Dem talking point is that a Trump nomination is a gift to Dems... but I just don't see how any Dem can say that Hillary or Bernie are quality candidates?

Bernie is pandering to frankly fringe type groups (and by fringe I don't necessarily mean weirdos, just smaller, specific issue voters). His lack of understanding of basic economics coupled with his promises of a free unicorn to every man, woman, and child I don't think well resonate with moderate Dems.

Hillary... just on her own merits, she has no business holding the office of President.

Right now some pundits are suggesting that Trump support may actually be under polled. Even if that is the case, if Trump were to get the nomination, I don't think he carries the same support.

My prediction is that if it comes down to Trump vs. Hillary OR Bernie... we'll see one of the lowest overall turnouts for the election that we've ever seen.

I think I am somewhere in the middle of these 2 lists and sometimes more toward either side depending on the subject at hand. Trump and his "deal making" may be just what this country needs? If Hillary gets indicted and the Dems declare Bernie a "whaco" and anoint Biden at the convention, Trump's victory margin would narrow and may play to the eventual deal making and a little progress.

Let me see if I have this right....

Because I'm an anti-federalist constitutionalist, I'm far right? Hell, I just want the government to perform as it was meant to, not be a soft cushion for anyone that wants a bennie.

I'd also like to know what constitutes being 'far right'. Is being pro life and pro traditional marriage far right? I hardly think so.

I actually swing both ways.






HEY get your mind out of the gutter

It's always good to have options right? lol

Last election cycle I voted to re-elect our State Attorney General who is a Democrat. He had done a pretty good job and I know a number of republicans/conservatives that voted for him as well. However, as soon as he made it known he was planning on running for Governor, he immediately adopted the talking points and rhetoric of the Dem Party and started basing his actions on political considerations instead of the job he had been doing.

It's a shame really.

These days it is! Many years of indoctrination thru public schools and universities has brought us to this point.

i see people are butt hurt over the list.

keep crying, those tears are delicious.

Willie Robertson endorses Donald Trump at Outdoor Sportsman Awards

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/201...s/?intcmp=hpbt2

My tears are for the 50 million Americans your kind and your collaborators have killed.

If that makes me an Extremist or a Wing Nut, I will wear the tag with honor.

"By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"
-Matthew 7:16

did i say that makes you an extremist? or did i not even comment on that at all?

i understand you guys are against abortion. where did i say that makes you an extremist?

also, you've been quoted on the old board for wanting to nuke the entire middle east.

so sorry if i take your moral high ground stances with a grain of salt.

No tears here. I am happy to have made your list.

I'm pretty sure you weren't including me in the "butt hurt" category.