DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns fined Johnny Manziel for missed treatment

never let the truth get in the way of a good story lol.

Manziel proved that he cares nothing about the fans.. so y should we care about him.. let this thread die.

Because of one story? Hardly.. For most it was just another in a long line of negative stories about him and his lack of commitment to football and the Cleveland Browns...

Maybe he wasn't guilty in this instance... but he has been guilty enough. The Browns are trying to dig their way out of a hole both on the field and off the field as a joke of a franchise, Manziel hasn't really proven that he wants to be a big part of that effort. He has spent more of his first two years here serving as an anchor..

I like the kid, I wish him the best, but the baggage at this point is too great... he's not going get a fair shake from the media or the fans in Cleveland even if he does turn it around...

The exact same thing happening to Manziel is what I thought would happen to Cam Newton.

I knew he was talented, but I questioned whether or not he wanted to be a great NFL QB, or was just interested in being in the NFL..

Cam has obviously proven me wrong, and it appears Jamies Winston, another guy I felt that way about, is slowly righting the ship in the same direction.

But here's Manziel. Two years into his Professional career, I think its quite obvious what he left A&M early for..

whats that?

Honestly, the only place on this earth that he can start with a clean slate is Texas with Dallas being the best fit.

You know, with Family in the area, he may get the "AT HOME" support that could make the difference.

Fame.

He doesnt "need" the money like some other kids who come out early may, and while he was already a certain level of famous. Getting to the NFL as soon as possible seemed like a bigger goal than becoming the best QB he could.

And once he finally got there, he had "nothing left to prove"

IMO

would've thought thats when he had the most to prove...

He didn't act like it.

I didn't think he go the "AT HOME" support when he was at home.

I think getting traded to a team in Texas would be the worst thing for him honestly.

Who cares what's best for him? He has proven he could care less about the Browns.

One team's trouble likely to become another team's trouble, and I'm more than happy not being on the latter end of that!

Probably, but that's not our problem. If we decide to move him and a team from Texas gives us the best deal, then off he goes.

JM's actions tell me he doesn't want to be here IMO. I was hoping he would come around and be the starting qb we were all hoping for but that isn't happening. When they cut him loose, trade him or whatever I wish him well. To bad it didn't work out here.

MOBILE, Ala. -- Browns' football boss Sashi Brown admitted Wednesday that he's concerned about more Johnny Manziel partying videos and that the third-year quarterback has something to prove before he's back on the team next season.

"I haven't seen them, but I would care about it just because I want all of our guys to represent themselves well and be responsible in terms of their behavior off the field,'' Brown told cleveland.com of at the Senior Bowl of videos of Manziel partying in Dallas.

MKC Article


Here's the pics and video Sashi Brown is referring to....

Manziel Pics/Video

yes he was seen dancing in public. My God someone get the whip 20 lashes the boy just aint never gonna get it.

Its less about what he is actually doing and more about his attitude and handling of the whole thing IMO

Fact - Manziel fined for missing treatment. Fact- no one could find him during last game of season in Cleveland. Fact- Our other QBs have made NO negative news and even if hurt, supported the team with their full support.

JF has been a diva for quite awhile, the former leadership saw his potential and MISTAKENLY bought in. JMHO, he's been hurt both seasons when he played, he's to small and not smart enough to play the position. Maturity AND character are both lacking--get what you can for him,...he's laughing somewhere for all us suckers who never had a million....next hero please, he's a loser.......GO Browns!!!!!

I don't think Pettine ever bought into it.

Ha, you may be right about that

No problem. Just sharing the info that is out there.

Might agree with you EO if JM had not created the bed he must now sleep in. His antics have caused distress for this team as was evidenced by Joe T's post Pittsburgh presser and his missed concussion appt. among other things.

He will and should be scrutinized at a closer level than those who have played by the rules behaved appropriately with regard to the team, and proven a team dedication.

Unfortunately, for him, this cannot be done until some time has passed and in the meantime, oh well! Guess he will be publicly scrutinized. He made the bed he now sleeps in.

It's funny how you see no problem with an alcoholic/addict continuing that same path that got him there the first time. People don't go to rehab for the giggles of it. They go because they have a problem.

Even his own parents tried to bribe him to quit in high school by holding a new car over his head and even that wouldn't work.

There's a big difference in having fun than there is going back to the same destructive pattern that totally derailed your career during your first NFL season. In JFF's situation, it's the same thing.

He's not reliable, dependable or trustworthy enough to conduct himself in a manner that will make him a good NFL QB.

It's really mind boggling to me the people who think opposite of the above. "Oh he's just having fun", "Oh he's young", "oh this", "oh that"... just sick of people trying to candy coat the reality of the matter.

I'm not involving myself with you and Tab's debate, I just wanted to comment on that section of Pit's post, nothing more/nothing less. I find it to be 100% accurate.

Shhhhhhhh! Your Cop is showing

Teasing of course, I agree with him. Johnny is a grown up who is paid millions of dollars to act like a QB. This is not how a QB acts.

I think the majority of people believed that (or wanted to believe that) early on from the draft into his first year... many started to wonder... then question out loud... then rehab and into year 2 he kind of got a reboot and people wanted to believe he had made an adult decision and was getting it worked out.. but then the evidence started flowing again that he really hadn't changed much at all.. now they aren't too keen on the dude. Ok, maybe I'm wrong in saying a majority.. maybe I should just say, that's how I felt.

I'm willing to give a young guy a certain latitude for youthful indiscretion.. he pushed it early and often beyond where it should go.

But Josh Gordon is..........

Nope, neither is JG.

no.

It's very much a risk/reward thing... we can (and probably should) draft a big WR this year.. he will play. If Josh comes back, great, they can play together.. if Josh gets in trouble again, then he's suspended or cut and not taking up a roster spot and is not getting paid.

If we draft a big time QB this year, there can be no sharing of duties or any "let's see what Manziel does".. QB doesn't work that way.

Not to mention, Josh had one incredible year. There is at least an expectation that the dude can play if he stays out of trouble... even if Manziel does everything right, there is still considerable doubt as to what kind of QB he can be.

I wouldn't trust either of them to babysit my kids or watch my house while I went out of town... but from the browns perspective, there are logical reasons to give Josh another chance but to cut ties with Manziel...

So, you think rumors, sensationalizing stories, repeating the same information in more articles than we can count in some lame ass attempt to make the accusations more real, etc are more credible than actual suspensions, being kicked out of two colleges, being caught in a red-handed lie, being arrested for a DUI, hanging out w/a known criminal, having pot in his car while under suspension, dogging it when he came back from a suspension, a history of missing meetings, practices, etc?

Interesting..........

sucked back in.

Yep......

Darn it!

No doubt. I'm not necessarily referring to the audience of this board, but I just seem to know too many people who to-this-day, thinks the kid has proved and/or done something and the people ripping him for his behavior are completely unjustified.

The vice versa is I knew die-hard JF from the draft and they're calling for his head.



Oh heck no. It's not fair, IMO, for Hue to have him design an offense with JG as a main weapon because... why the heck wouldn't you use that freakish talent of JG "on the field" - but it's not fair because you just can't rely on him. Simple as that.

Hue already said he's building the offense around Bowe.