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Agree. I don't see a QB worthy, but...!

I guess this is the 10 million dollar question of the yar....where do the Browns rank the QBs? On every mock, people should preface saying "if not said QB" Browns take...!

...yet.

The new coaching staff has a boatload of experience, and at least 2 of them have a reputation for developing quarterbacks. Like it or not, they are probably going to draft a quarterback at #2. Our best bet is to draft the prospect most likely to develop and make him worthy.

+1,,get that guy...we are set up to "maybe" be smart with our first pick...smart numbers guys AND smart gut guys...we can't wait on OUR GUY.
Bosa could be C. Brown, don't be greedy, get the guy you want and pay the price......GO Browns!!!!

Almost as comical as how some of you are so desperately trying to convince others that the QBs in this draft class are worth taking w/the second overall pick.

I agree w/them not consulting us........and that is why I am so perplexed at how upset you get when I offer my honest opinion on this year's QBs?????????????????

Do you consider that none of these QBs will ever be franchise QBs.

Or are you saying that the time it would take for one to get there, is no worth the #2 overall pick.

Serious question.

I both love and hate that this needs to be said when responding to certain posters.

It is indeed unfortunate that this must be icluded in a post where sincere information is being sought. I have, on ocassion, thought to include it as well...

It's the demeaning way you offer your opinions that gets under peoples skin.

I am not saying anything w/certainty. I have always evaluated the qbs in each class. It's fun.

A few years ago, I knew we needed a qb, but was dead-set against drafting Gino Smith, EJ Manuel, or any other qb from that class. I said similar things about those guys as I am about these guys.

The next year was the group that featured Teddy, Carr, Bortles, Manziel, and Jimmy G. I thought all of those guys had first round talent. It was just a matter of finding the right guy. steve might remember this, but I brought up Bortles before any of the national services even mentioned him. I lucked into watching one of his early games and was hailing him as a sleeper. He ended up being the first guy chosen. LOL

One--or more--of this year's qbs can succeed. I just think that each of them have holes in their games that [in my opinion] will likely render them to journeymen to average type QBs rather than franchise QBs. That's not a bad thing. The league needs the McCowns, the Gabberts, the McCoys, the Mettenbergers, the Tanneyhills, etc.

I simply would not use the second overall pick on one of this year's quarterbacks. I would take a flyer on a guy later in the draft, perhaps Hogan. Not sure yet. The Browns have a ton of other needs and those needs are going to have to be addressed. They are in need of a dominant pass rusher in the worst way and I feel they are more likely to fill that need in round one than they are of finding a franchise qb.

One other thing that people may want to consider: If the Browns do draft a qb w/the second overall pick...........they are going to have to commit to that guy for a substantial period of time. If the quarterbacks in this class are who I think they are, that will only set the team back further in their quest to find a franchise qb.

If there was a qb in this class that I felt was worthy of such a high pick....a true franchise type qb......I would be all for drafting the guy at number 2, even if the Browns had to reach a bit for the guy. I simply don't see that type of qb in this year's draft. I would instead go w/McCown or some other vet until I could work a trade for a legit guy or draft a qb who has a much better chance of being the guy.

Always gotta get a shot in. Maybe you should have worded it:

I both love and hate that this needs to be said by certain posters....

I look at a guy like Joe Flacco (who went later than #2, mind you) and I see a guy who I dont consider as an "Elite" level QB.

He played at the level for a stretch, that just happened to lead to a SB win.

I think even in today's NFL, a team can possibly win with an Andy Dalton/Ryan Tannehill type of guy. Because I put Flacco at the top of the tier that includes them.

I dont consider Eli Manning an "Elite" QB. And he's won two SBs.

So i would look at the QBs in this draft, and figure out if any of them fit into that mold at least.

Then you have a discussion about whether taking them at #2 is logical. Or if you can gr them later via trade down. Or take someone else at #2, and move on down the QB list assuming they get picked.

Because unless you are 100% sure they will be an ELITE QB, I dont think you take them at #2.

Just because guys like Bortles and Tannehill were top 5 picks doesnt mean someone else should be.

Overall, I will see what the team does, and hope for the best.

I think you can take your argument and say the exact opposite.

If you think a guy is at least a long term starter, then you draft him at #2 overall. Because if you have at least an average starter (like Flacco or Eli), then you can possibly win a Super Bowl.

You will not win a Super Bowl with a bad starter.

Following 15's argument, who is our current QB? JFF is not the answer even if he has the talent. McCown was better than most expected, but he's in his late 30's, and he tries to play like he's in his mid 20's. I don't believe he can play a full season. Davis is a journeyman, and Shaw (is he even still on the team?) is an afterthought. We don't even have a league average QB who can play 16 games on the team now.

Every QB in this draft has something that makes him not ready, but then few come into the league ready. All have good qualities that could lead to success in the NFL if they can overcome their deficiencies. Several have a chance to be league average and 1 or 2 could be better than that. We have coaches now with a track record of bringing the best out of average QBs.

The argument keeps coming up that none of the QBs in this year's draft are worth the #2 overall pick. That is probably true. But what does that matter if the 1 or 2 guys that could be better than league average are gone by #32. If we don't have a QB, we have to get one.

Our timing is bad, we have the #2 pick in a year when there are no clear top of the draft QBs. But we need one, so taking the best QB available, even if it isn't the BPA, and even when we have needs that can be addressed by taking the BPA, is better than continuing to need even a league average QB.

The last time there was a "clear top of the draft QB" was Andrew Luck. They rarely ever come around.

Last year there were two "clear top of the draft QBs."

Just because that's where they were selected, does not mean they were clear cut selections there. There were a lot of questions surrounding Mariota and his value at the #2 pick.

There wasn't an Andrew Luck type selection anywhere on the draft board last year. All of them had questions surrounding them.

Theres only been 3-4 "Andrew Luck" type QBs in the last 40 years.

The Colts drafted 3 of them.

Mariota wasn't a clear QB. I wouldn't have drafted him.

When a team is offered the moon for a player and they turn it down, it means there was a clear QB available.

The Eagles offered basically everything for Mariota and the Titans turned it down.

The two QBs were always going #1 and #2 last year.

I don't think a QB, by nature of the position, has to be an Andrew Luck type to qualify as a top of the draft QB. A few years ago I devised tier scale of prospects, purely arbitrary, but to illustrate a plausible range of outcomes;

Tier 1: 20% chance to be elite, 50% >ave, 20% ave, 10% <ave.
Tier 2: 10% elite, 40% > ave, 25% ave, 20% < ave, 5% bust
Tier 3: 5% elite, 20% > ave, 40% ave, 25% < ave, 10% bust
Tier 4: 15% > ave, 35% ave, 35% < ave, 15% bust
Tier 5: 5% > ave, 30% ave, 25% < ave, 25% bust

Tier 1 players are rare, usually around 5 in any given draft, and Tier 1 QBs (Luck types) are very rare. Tier 2 QBs tend to be selected in the top of most drafts because of the importance of the position. I see the best of this year's draft as tier 3.

In your opinion......

Many, many disagreed with that no matter how you try to deflect that reality.

That means the Titans were committed.. it doesn't mean everybody was.

Winston and Mariota were always going #1 and #2.

Oh well............I tried.

We should have drafted Teddy.

I completely agree with you.

While also still agreeing with my original pint..

Somehow.. its like its not a clear cut.. definitive thing..

If were alloys to have those on this board.

How would you guys feel if we took Bosa at #2 and Cook at #32? (I'm assuming Cook's shoulder is okay.) I'm not sure the difference between Goff, Wentz, and Lynch is so great that it wouldn't be worth it.

Trying to target seems like a horrible idea. If you think a guy is a starter, you should probably just take him when you can. How horrible would it be if we missed out on our franchise QB because we were trying to wait on him?

I don't want Cook at all, so I guess I don't like this scenario. But if Hue signs off on it then he must see something. I don't think he would take a QB just to take one

Cook won't be available at 32.

Too many teams with QB needs.

I think the combine and subsequent interview process will provide the answer to whether or not Cook is a 1st round pick.

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I don't mean this to be antagonistic or in any way a wise guy comment, just a point I have brought up before. Manziel, Gilbert, Terrance , Weeden etc all went through the combine evaluation process that is supposed to determine strong leadership and other team based psychological traits and these guys must have passed them. Or they were ignored by a desperate team.