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MrTed #1076982 02/09/16 09:30 PM
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ok.

well you know i don't do the bible bro, so i'm going to respectfully say i dunno how to answer or respond to that.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
ok.

well you know i don't do the bible bro, so i'm going to respectfully say i dunno how to answer or respond to that.


Well I do so I am gonna answer like I have at least 100 times before...

Ted is Wise.

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What I'm getting at is hopefully as time goes on the next generation in these countries we've 'freed' will actually be able to be (and stay) free, self governing individuals.

Just saw a picture come across my Facebook feed of how women dresse in the 70's. Looked much like American women from the early 60's.
Reason I asked about Afghanistan is I saw something on t.v. shortly after 9/11 saying the same thing.
Life wasn't so (hate to use this analogy) Amish Taliban like.


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Perpetual states of warfare do crap for a place's economy. When the economy is good, secularism is up. When the economy is bad, more people tend to stick with their Gods.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Perpetual states of warfare do crap for a place's economy. When the economy is good, secularism is up. When the economy is bad, more people tend to stick with their Gods.


Clinging to their guns and Bibles. Hmmm, where did I hear that before?
Another Lib said it I do believe.

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Perpetual states of warfare do crap for a place's economy. When the economy is good, secularism is up. When the economy is bad, more people tend to stick with their Gods.


Clinging to their guns and Bibles. Hmmm, where did I hear that before?
Another Lib said it I do believe.


Hey now, I've never had a problem with someone clinging to their gun! You think all of us liberals are the same. Don't you, 40? You're a Conservist! A racist but for liberals tongue

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Someone is sharing with Swish tonight. puff puff puff...

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Perpetual states of warfare do crap for a place's economy. When the economy is good, secularism is up. When the economy is bad, more people tend to stick with their Gods.


But what were these places like before the religious revolutions that turned them into what they are today?
Impression I got was that they were 'not like they are now'.


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Someone is sharing with Swish tonight. puff puff puff...


I hope other people could tell I was joking frown

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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/weekinreview/18bumiller.html

Afghans and Americans alike describe the country in those days as a poor nation, but one that built national roads, stood up an army and defended its borders. As a monarchy and then a constitutional monarchy, there was relative stability and by the 1960s a brief era of modernity and democratic reform. Afghan women not only attended Kabul University, they did so in miniskirts. Visitors — tourists, hippies, Indians, Pakistanis, adventurers — were stunned by the beauty of the city’s gardens and the snow-capped mountains that surround the capital.

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That's what I thought. It all went downhill when?


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From the article:

Mr. Khalilzad would be the first to acknowledge that Afghanistan was always fractious politically, and that there were assassinations and coups even during the era of relative peace. But the current downward spiral did not begin until 1978, when the president, Sardar Mohammad Daoud Khan, was killed in a Communist coup, setting off three decades of conflict.

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To say Donald Trump is to say bad taste-period.


I used to think so..but he is growing on me...and kind of like the fact he isnt so stick in the mud and just repeats prepared lines over and over..and is not politically correct.

People who dont feel that way?? well thats their opinion.


Growing on you like what, an STD? grin He doesn't repeat prepared lines because he doesn't have a message. He's as vague as hell. I honestly think he's there to be the next Ross Perot.

We all complain about the rich owning politicians, he's one of the rich that own the politicians and he's said as much during the debates even!

I don't trust him.

The only one I trust that actually believes what he says is Bernie.. and I don't like much of what he says.. so....


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People don't like to hear it, but when citizens have money in their pockets, they are less likely to be involved in crime.

Those countries have oil. Stop trying to change their mentally forcefully through ideology. It's not going to work. It has NEVER worked.

We want to start the engine to them becoming more like he rest of the world? Pay em. Set up the monthly oil stipend like he other middle eastern countries do. Like Alaska does.

Pay em. And then set up a whistleblower program where every confirmed terrorist they turn in becomes a instant boost into your monthly cash amount.

Watch how quickly ISIS disappears.

Kuwait use to be a crap hole. As soon as they started getting that Arab oil money, now look at Kuwait. Y'all ever been to Kuwait city? Lambos and ferraris everywhere. Big ass American suvs everywhere. The women, a ton of them don't even wear the hair wrap, never mind the hijab.

No major terrorist problem. Bahrain is the same way. It was so chill over there that soldiers can wear civilian clothes and don't even have to walk around with a 9mm if they get a weekend pass off post.

I'm not saying you said it Ted, but I hate when people say something is never gonna work, even though it hasn't been tried yet, ON top of the way that, We are doing it their way, and it ISNT working.

Seriously. We're doing the gop's and conservatives plan, which is the bomb the crap of them, and it isn't working. So why knock it? What's the worst that could happen? That were still stuck same crap mess that we started in?

I've been telling y'all over and over since the old boards. We aren't gonna win a battle of ideology over there. We keep punching a 2 feet thick steel wall with our bare fist and wanna act confused as to why were the ones losing. We were taking all the damage.

I told you how I feel about the Middle East bro. I wish we just completely exit the region.

But if our politicians are so hell bent on fixing the Middle East, then let's do it in a way that will make some progress.

And we as Americans benefit from it to receiving oil from there. so it's a win win.

There will be resistants. You know ISIS will come with everything they got. But when those checks start hitting the account, the PEOPLE will finally pick America over Isis.

You don't win hearts and minds by preaching God and family values.

You win hearts and minds by making sure the people can pay their bills on time.

You wins hearts and minds when the people see they can ride around in GMC yukons like the Kuwaitis do.

I can see it now though, just like last time.

"Omg swish wants to baby them and pay their bills, welfare".

Yep. I do. With heir own oil money.

Because y'all method of trying to say you are the good guys to the Middle East by drones and dropping bombs on them?

It ain't working.

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We're going through a HUGE budget crisis up here; the Alaskan state government didn't anticipate such cheap oil prices. Roughly 85% of the state budget is based off of high oil prices. Well, look where it's at now.

The state is most likely going to institute a state tax, and the oil overflow stipied, usually in the ballpark of 1500-1800 a year, will got cut down to somewhere around 700-1000 a year.

Relying on oil ain't the way to go.

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it's better than relying on IED's.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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I can just imagine Trump doing the Perot bit and stepping out of the race late, despite doing well .... and throwing the Republicans into turmoil. (and helping his good friend Hillary, who he has supported in the past)

The Republicans still have this huge field, and I think that Trump is hoping that they all stay in for the next 10 states. Trump is the different candidate, and the rest are fairly traditional type Republicans, and they are splitting up the "rest" of the vote that Trump doesn't get.

Trump ran away with New Hampshire with 35% of the vote. Kasich came in 2nd with only 16%. The rest of the field split up the rest, with no one getting more than 12%.

Hillary was steamrolled, and she got 38% of the Democrat vote, for comparison's sake.

The longer the lower tier stay in, the better it is for Trump. They split up the base among them, and allow Trump to win with a relatively small amount of the total.

I remember Bush-Clinton, when Perot was in, and then dropped out, then got back in .... and he split the Republican vote, allowing Clinton to win. It seems like we have a lot of "Perots" in the race right now.

I like some of the lower performing candidates, but people like Fiorina, Christie, and Carson have little chance of winning at this point. They split up 14% of the vote in New Hampshire. They are unlikely to do better elsewhere. They can stay in for the sake of their pride, or get out and allow their votes to go to another "not Trump" candidate. I just heard that Christie is going back to NJ to evaluate where he is. He is in danger of not being in the next round of debates, and that would completely finish his chances, if they aren't already finished.

Even Jeb Bush is in danger, and has disappointed given the level of money spent on his behalf. He is very well funded though, so he probably stays in.

Kasich is not all that well funded ..... and I have to wonder how long he can go on without money. Maybe he starts picking up more donors after a strong showing, and he is the candidate who has established himself as the "not-angry" Republican candidate.

Can he win? I don't know. I think that he might be the most qualified of any of the Candidates to be President, and he is a guy who has governed in a pragmatic manner. I think that he could be a very effective President. I just have to wonder if he has the money to continue for long.

All I can say is that I will not vote for Trump. I do not trust the man, at all. My nightmare scenario is that we have Trump on one side, and a died in the wool Socialist on the other. Bleh.

That is a chilling thought.


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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make peace, because it's happening.


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It's almost like there should be third option for situations like this. . .

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The only issues I am passionate about are healthcare and taxes. Trump doesn't address them much. His tax plan seems simple and I would like more pros/cons.

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Yep and Trump is no Perot and is not dropping out until he has to...beleive and vote for who you like Y-town but Trump is in it to win...and I'll be voting for him.

I get the feeling he is more of friends with Bill then Hillary..I actually believe he doesnt even like Hillary..do you hear some of the things he says about her? Naw its Bill that is his friend.

And I think youre right Swish it is happening so either you get behind the guy or you wont...I do agree that I would like to see where the support goes when the field dwindles down...guess we will get more answers then on if Trump really has the support or not...and who is running on the rep. side I think youre in for a big surprise Y=town.

Sorry Swish shouldve just replied to him...but agree with your statement 100%

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I predict Cruz will win in the South with Trump second and Kasich third. Nevada will go Trump with Kasich second.

After that I think it will be Trump and Kasich the rest of the way.

For the Dems, I think Hillary will start piling up wins as the South is still wondering what has happened to their Party now that it is going Socialist.

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It sucks because we either gotta get behind one of them, or don't vote at all, which is essentially casting the vote for the guy you definitely don't want in.

It sucks, which is why I wish we had a viable third party. But since we don't, these are our choices.

Trump is a great businessmen, but in the world of politicians, he doesn't have that many friends in Congress. You see all them guys who are talking trash about him.

Then you got Bernie, who's been in politics for a while, but doesn't have a lot of friends because he goes against the grain. Some say that's a good thing, well we will see when iti Mrs to actually get something done.

At his stage, if it comes down to those two, I have no clue who I vote for. I'm leaning sanders, but man that tax plan is scary.


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40, who's your VP pick for each party.


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I predict Cruz will win in the South with Trump second and Kasich third. Nevada will go Trump with Kasich second.

After that I think it will be Trump and Kasich the rest of the way.

For the Dems, I think Hillary will start piling up wins as the South is still wondering what has happened to their Party now that it is going Socialist.


Maybe 40...but for some reason I see Cruz falling behind...the guy is smart as hell but damn is he easy to dislike. We shall find out soon enough.

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40, who's your VP pick for each party.


Heck, I haven't even picked who I will be voting for as President from the Repubs. No clue on VP's.

Also keep in mind that if Hillary keeps going down to Bernie, Bloomberg says he will enter the race!

This Primary is the most interesting thang I have seen in Politics in my lifetime!

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Actually I think he does know and get along with some in Congress...and yes I saw the ones who have bashed Trump..and if my memory isnt failing me right now..1 was that turd Lindsey Graham Sp? and the other GOPe turd that backed Jeb..or am I wrong their??

I just watched a Trump interview that addressed this very topic...and Trump pointed out alot of the ones he golfs with and has done business with so either he is lying or maybe he would have support IDK.

I cant vote for Bernie...I agree with just about nothing he says or stands for...and if his tax plan is implemented you know damn well it wont be enough and they will come back for more...ugh.

I would vote 3rd party if their was one that had a real shot of winning.

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I would vote for Bernie over that pile of crap Bloomberg thumbsdown

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40, who's your VP pick for each party.


Heck, I haven't even picked who I will be voting for as President from the Repubs. No clue on VP's.

Also keep in mind that if Hillary keeps going down to Bernie, Bloomberg says he will enter the race!

This Primary is the most interesting thang I have seen in Politics in my lifetime!


Biden is lurking around the corner too.

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I can see it now-Bloomberg '16. 16oz Sodas for everyone! and not a drop more... nanner


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He found a nice way to tell the people of New York that they are fat asses haha


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40, who's your VP pick for each party.


Heck, I haven't even picked who I will be voting for as President from the Repubs. No clue on VP's.

Also keep in mind that if Hillary keeps going down to Bernie, Bloomberg says he will enter the race!

This Primary is the most interesting thang I have seen in Politics in my lifetime!


Biden is lurking around the corner too.


So at the end we could be looking at...

Republican- Kasich
Democrat- Biden
Independent- Trump
Independent- Bloomberg
Communist- Bernie
rofl

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Biden won't challenge Bernie. Biden is waiting 4 years.

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Biden won't challenge Bernie. Biden is waiting 4 years.


He's done with politics probably.

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You were on the ground in Tikrit in ''91 ?

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
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Biden won't challenge Bernie. Biden is waiting 4 years.


He's done with politics probably.


Quote:
"I regret it every day, but it was the right decision for my family and for me. And I plan on staying deeply involved," Biden said in an interview with Connecticut NBC affiliate WVIT.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/joe-biden-regrets-not-running-for-president/

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How is this guy not popular in the GOP? Had no idea he was even in the race.


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You were on the ground in Tikrit in ''91 ?


2003 2004 and retired why? I think I was saying to 40 I was there in 90 and nothings changed..and responded to Swish about what happened and yes I was in Tikrit.

Its a blurred together..but if youre doubting me I can post picture as proof I have a ton of them...from all of my time in the Marine Corp.

If I misread you my bad...if not well what I said above.

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JC Anyone have thoughts on this..

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/226223/

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Yes, there's a very good chance that the winner of the next election will decide the Court's majority. 2020-2024 could also be another term for change in the courts.

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