DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Reports on Manziel domestic incident coming in and they aren't good

Which just goes to show how fickle the fans and media are in general.

Yeah, JFF's mistakes are the fault of the media and the fans. lol

No one said that.

I never said that.

But I have said that the blowing-out-of-proportion of his mistakes are directly caused by the media and eaten up by those fans who enjoy a good witch hunt, and those numbers have grown exponentially by the shear bombardment of, and the repetitive repeats of, every little rumor, every speculation and every tiny tidbit of information, true or not.

I KNOW THAT NOBODY FROM THE TEAM SAID THAT!

It was reported and re reported all over the place that that was the plan, but the Browns have not committed to anything in particular.

Well ddub, when you build a brand, have a media group, do commercials and wish to embrace the fame, you put yourself out there for that type of thing.

Celebrity comes with responsibilities to hone and protect your image. It is a self induced way to put yourself under a microscope. When you choose to do that, people shouldn't complain about the trappings that come along with it.

Not sure I posted this thought,, If I did, sorry for the repeat.

Now that Manziel is being investigated, there is a chance he could get suspended. Kinda like a Ray Rice thing maybe.

So, here's a question for you all.

If he gets suspended prior to March 9th, (remember they suspended Gordon in this kind of dead zone time) do you all think we should cut him?

I mean, he costs nothing while on suspension and if you look around, none of the things people were worried about with Gordon not being cut came to pass, so why not keep him. It would be like keeping the Elf on the Shelf.

Manziel Sighting

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000636151/article/manziel-turns-up-withcomedian-louie-anderson

I believe that a suspended player cannot be cut while he is on unpaid suspension. Once he is reinstated, then he can be cut.

Justin Blackmon is still under contract to the Jaguars, even though that contract is in suspension. He hasn't been cut, and the Jaguars have said that he will be cut if his suspension is ever lifted.

thats an unlikely duo...

Wasn't Ray Rice cut after suspension? I thought so.. perhaps I'm misremembering.

Sure is,, apparently according to that link, he went to Mike Evans wedding as well.

I think Rice was cut first then suspended.

You may be right, I'm just not sure of the timing..

So, if Ytown is right, if they do suspend him prior to March 9th, we can't cut him anyway.

Louie Anderson?!?!....

Oh boy, NOW we know he has hit rock bottom.

In the end I don't think it really matters. He's not been previously suspended so you'd expect it to just be one or two games, if at all, not the season or indefinite suspension, so we just have to wait to cut him but he won't count against our cap or our roster while on suspension.

I believe that he was cut right before he was suspended.

Yeah, I was thinking the day before, but it was hours before:

Ray Rice released by Ravens, indefinitely suspended - NFL.com
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...itely-suspended

As long as George Lopez is breathing, there is a lower level.

He's not hanging with Kanye, so there is still time hope.

Perhaps thats why I thought he was cut after suspension, looks like they both happened quickly. My mistake I guess

It might be worth waiting out to see if Manziel is suspended by the league so we can save a little money.

If we cut Manziel and then he his suspended, can we still recoup some of the dead money?

Majoring in the minors.

Cut bait and move forward. You know this.

I don't want anything to do with Manziel, but it might be worth it to hold on to him to save a couple million on the cap.

(Just putting this out there, not sure if we should actually do it.)

Edit: Never mind. Couldn't find it. Must've been deleted or a fake account.

Yeah, I wonder how his spirits are now that police have obtained medical records of his ex? I sense files being charged against this women beating drunk kid, and soon.

I was shocked listening to Hamilton's presser that only one Manziel question was asked, and it was the last question to boot. Finally starting to fade away.

He's pretty much ruined his NFL career. Alcohol & Manziel? Bad mix.

Sashi Brown made it pretty clear a few weeks ago saying they'd deal with Manziel the appropriate time. And that's all they'd have to say on the subject until that time.

Hamilton seemed uncomfortable with the 1 question he got. I wonder if he hadn't answered it the way he did, would he have gotten more questions.

'Police could finish Johnny Manziel case by next week'

http://news.yahoo.com/police-could-finish-johnny-manziel-case-next-week-213552893--spt.html

DALLAS (AP) — Dallas police say they could conclude their domestic violence investigation of Cleveland Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel by late next week.

Police spokesman Maj. Midge Boyle said Saturday that investigators have reviewed medical records provided by Colleen Crowley, Manziel's ex-girlfriend. Crowley told police Manziel hit her and dragged her into a car in late January.

Manziel hasn't been charged, but a judge has issued Crowley a protection order against him.

Police haven't interviewed Manziel, but spoke to several other witnesses. Boyle says police want to have their strongest case against Manziel before speaking to him.

Some defense lawyers have questioned whether Manziel is getting special treatment and another suspect facing similar allegations might already have been arrested. Boyle said the detective investigating the allegations "hasn't gotten all the facts yet."

"She's still putting the case together," Boyle said. "It's been two weeks since this investigation started, and it is high-profile."

"As soon as we have something pertinent to put out, we will let you know," she said.

A Heisman Trophy winner at Texas A&M, Manziel has had several incidents of trouble in the NFL. The Browns have indicated they will release him next month.

Crowley said in an affidavit filed with the judge who issued the protective order that Manziel hit her so hard that she temporarily lost hearing in one ear.

In the affidavit, Crowley says she and Manziel had a confrontation in his Dallas hotel room around 1:45 a.m. Jan. 30. She says that after hitting her, he threatened to kill himself as he drove her to Fort Worth.

How long until the video is in the public?

Police have video evidence
Dallas police also have the video of the encounter with the valet, an unidentified source told ESPN.

The argument reportedly continued during the drive back to Crowley's Fort Worth residence, with Manziel angrily shouting at her and allegedly striking her again.

I'm thinking TMZ will have it soon enough...

TMZ reportedly paid over $100,000 for the Ray Rice elevator video. If this Johnny Manziel video does indeed exist, it will eventually get leaked.

They'll pay more for the Manziel video.

Any bets on how long it will be before Manziel marries her?

One more report:

Johnny Manziel could be charged with domestic violence as early as late next week | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...art_river_index

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel could face domestic violence charges as early as next week, according to a report.

Maj. Midge Boyle, head of the domestic violence unit, told The Dallas Morning News Friday that police hope to wrap up their probe by the end of next week.

Boyle also conducted a press conference Saturday in which she confirmed that police are close to determining what charges to bring against Manziel, if any. She noted that they've obtained medical records from Manziel's ex-girlfriend Colleen Crowley and surveillance videos from where the argument took place.

It began at Hotel ZaZa in uptown Dallas, continued in Crowley's car and persisted through a trip to Crowley's apartment in Fort Worth.

Crowley's attorney Kathy Kinser told NBC5 in Dallas that Manziel struck her client hard enough to rupture her eardrum. Based on Crowley's sworn affidavit, Manziel faces possible felony charges for dating violence and/or aggravated assault.

"We would like to finish the investigation as soon as possible, but detectives work around the victim's and witnesses' schedules which can sometimes delay the process,'' Boyle said in the press conference, initially reading from a statement. "As of today, there has been no determination as to what type of charge, if any, will be filed against Mr. Manziel. Updates to this case will be made as information becomes available.''

Boyle said detectives have been in communication with Crowley, but have not talked to Manziel.

"Up to this point in the investigation, detectives have continued communicating with the complainant, interviewed witnesses, received medical records from the complainant, and obtained video from surveillance cameras,'' Boyle read. "Detectives are continuing with their efforts to fully investigate the facts of this case. As this remains an on-going investigation, no details of the investigation will be released at this time.''

Boyle answered a few questions during the two-minute briefing, but provided no new information. As for whether or not Manziel would be interviewed, said, "I'm going to leave that up to the detective as she puts her case together.''

But she told The News Friday that detectives are trying to build their best case against Manziel before talking to him.

"I can't imagine his attorneys would want him to," Boyle said. "I don't know. It depends on what kind of attorney it is and what else is going on. There might be a lot of back story to this."

She said Manziel's attorney has called police to inquire about the probe.

During the press conference, Boyle was asked why an arrest hasn't been made yet considering police have a sworn affidavit and medical records and that "in a lot of family violence cases, you make an arrest with far less information.''

Boyle responded, "we're letting the officer and the detective do their due diligence. We want to make sure that all of the facts are there and clear and we'll present it to the prosecutors.''

As for whether or a warrant will be out for Manziel's arrest or whether it will be referred to a grand jury, she said, "We don't know at this point until we get all the facts together.''

Pressed further, she said, "it's been two weeks since this investigation started and it is high profile and we realize that you guys want to know what's going on. That's why we're out here today, to say the detective is working on it and gathering information and as soon as we have anything pertinent to put out we will let you know.''

Boyle told The News that police are still searching for witnesses, but have interviewed at least one from Hotel ZaZa.

In her application for a protective order, Crowley wrote that a valet from the hotel witnessed Manziel getting rough with her.

"When we got to the valet, I was crying and begged the valet, "Please
don't let him take me. I'm scared for my life." She said the valet told her he didn't know what to do, and Manziel subsequently threw her into the car, hit her, dragged her by hair and also threatened "shut up or I'll kill us both.''

Boyle explained to The News that domestic violence suspects are often arrested immediately after a 9-1-1 to prevent further harm to the victim. But that didn't happen in this instance because Crowley first reported the incident to Fort Worth police and then told them she was worried about Manziel's well being.

They searched for Manziel via helicopter and didn't find him that night, but were told by his father that he was safe. Crowley didn't file her complaint to Dallas police until a week later.

By then, Manziel had already been ordered by a Tarrant County judge to stay away from Crowley for two years and police didn't believe she was in immediate danger. However, Boyle acknowledged that the "piece of paper'' is often ignored.

She said Crowley, who's cooperating fully, isn't expressing that she feels in danger and that police want to be thorough in their probe. She said as far as she knows, Manziel hasn't contacted Crowley.

"There's nothing urgent about this right now," Boyle told The News. "We just want to make sure that we investigate the case thoroughly so it gets prosecuted the right way, if it goes that far."

Despite what it may seem, Boyle stressed that Manziel isn't receiving special treatment because of his star status.

"The only difference between this case and any other case is really that it's in the media," she said. "We're not treating it any different than if it was, I don't know, a teacher at a school. We're just trying to make sure we're fair to both parties."

While awaiting possible charges, Manziel served as a groomsmann at the wedding last weekend of Bucs receiver Mike Evans, his former Texas A&M teammate.

If the investigation drags on long enough, Manziel might no longer be a Brown by the time he's charged. The Browns will release him March 9, when the new league year opens. He's also under investigation by the NFL under its personal conduct policy.

Manziel's father, Paul, told the Dallas Morning News on Feb. 5th that he feared Manziel was suicidal and that without help "he won't live to see his 24th birthday.

Browns coach Hue Jackson told cleveland.com that his first concern was Crowley and that his message to Manziel was "you are not alone.''

I get the first part about Hue having concern for Crowley, but what the hell does "you are not alone" mean?

Almost sounds as if the Browns intend to support him in some way doesn't it? Almost!

maybe he means "you are not alone" in that he's about to join fellow abuser Hardy with the cowboys

Well, I guess there's that! lol

March is literally just around the corner!

Get this thing off our team and let's move on! We'll deal with a few weeks of Manziel mania after we cut him, then it's finally home freaking free!

sad, sad, sad