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Some people are just sick of the status quo candidates or the far right candidates and they're just sick enough of it to roll the dice with this guy. Lets face it, the republicans haven't kept one of their promises to the party voters in the last 6 years, so why keep voting for them? Repeal and replace or defund has turned out to be CR after CR after CR and fund fund fund...

It's an "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore" vote but it counts just the same.

YEP...good post Tulsa

I understand that completely. But that's precisely what's going to keep him at a 30-35%. "I'm mad as hell" only takes you so far. He has that, white nationalists, and a sizable chunk of white males with a high school education or lower. His unfavorable rating hovers around 60-65%. With no intelligent or coherent message coming from his campaign, he's going to be hamstrung as the field winnows. Knee-jerk votes only take you so far.

I have already seen this show, it's a rerun. Change the channel, Martha.

So far he's riding a pretty good wave of voters at this point, but Super Tuesday is coming and that should more define the herd.

He's got about 20% of a general vote locked up. He needs way more than that. He's already started to make his push for a general, and he'll continue on with his hammering of the Iraq War and a vague support for a single-payer government run health care system. I don't think that's going to be enough to pull in the other voter bases he'll need to be a viable general candidate. He can win the nomination, but the math isn't there for a serious general run. To win a general, you need your party base, and to steal from the opposition and the independent vote. He can't even get his own party base with his unfavorables.

The fact that Trump won SC is proof that this election on the republican side has nothing to do with faith and Christianity.

yep, because if it did, trump wouldn't had lasted past the joke in iowa.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Deport his butt and you can forget about ever feeding him again, or his anchor babies for that matter.

Yep. When Trump spoke about his "faith", and how he didn't need to confess his sins and repent, because he doesn't really do anything wrong, and does a lot of good stuff .... well that showed that he really isn't a Christian.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people being taught that they don't need to repent, don't need to give up sins, and don't need to humble themselves and come to the cross, with faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. They are not being taught that they can do nothing at all to "earn" their salvation, so they have to totally rely upon God to be saved. The "prosperity gospel" has really caught fire in this country, and if we believe in hell, catching fire is an apt description.

When the media describes people as "evangelical", I have to wonder what they mean, exactly. Do they mean anyone who professes any kind of faith in any kind of "god", under any kind of terms. or do they mean those who believe in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and the infallible nature of the Bible? A lot of type of people could fall under that umbrella, and many might agree with Trump on the value of "being a good person".

Unfortunately for them, the Bible does not say that us being what we consider as "good" is enough without Christ.

Trump reminds me of a Clinton or Kennedy when it comes to morals but this election is not about those things. This election is about the Majority of Republicans feeling their Party has abandoned its Conservative Principles by becoming RINO's or Democrat lights.

Trump certainly doesn't fit those ideals either but he has his appeal.

Trumps appeal is leadership, beholden to no one, getting things done, America First, Butt Kicker.

Many are happy to see him put the illegals and Muslims on notice that BS time is soon over. He has also placed notice on the Chinese and others that our past weakness in negotiating treaties and trade agreements is coming to an end.

I know that I am happy as heck to see my GOP squirm.

I agree...and honestly I dont want the guy to wear his religion on his sleeve...I watched a pretty good sit down with Trump on I think HBO...I know it was a premium channel and it was pretty informative view into his personal life and such.

What do people think about this article...

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-optimists-and-trump-skeptics-are-about-to-go-to-war/

All I know is everyone says he will fail...oh look what he said he is finished..ect..but he just keeps winning. I will be real curious to see what the real numbers are when the elections are done...

I dont trust polls and all I keep remembering is what the media and polls said about Reagan and sitting there watching the ass whoopen he put on Carter...I'm not saying Trump is Reagan but I can see the results ending up like that if Trump is smart enough to refine his demeanor and approach to the debates.

I agree 40

And many are happy to hear Bernie Sanders proclaim that college and health care will be free for everyone.

But in both instances, they are untenable positions that have little to no basis in practical reality.

Everything Trump has put forward in regards to illegal immigrants, Muslims and the Chinese is absurd babbling. I agree with you that there's an appeal to many people in that, but it's a limited appeal that doesn't apply to serious minds.

Sounds to me like all those others who Trump is currently Crushing. Open your eyes already, he took ALL the Delegates in SC, ALL of them! He took 73 percent of Evangelicals! Unimaginable!

Yes, because evangelicals decide elections. They certainly propelled Buchanan, Huckabee, Santorum and Bachmann into the White House.

To win the presidency, a candidate needs to win their base, steal from their opposition, and take a chunk from the undecided.

He can't even consolidate his own base, and it's due entirely to the fact that he doesn't have a single sensible or tenable policy position. He appeals mainly to morons. He can steal some votes here and there from non-morons, but not enough to accelerate in a general election.

No one here can name a single issue he's coherent on, let alone one that wins him mass appeal.

He could win 200% of evangelicals, and he'd still get murdered in a general.

I have no problem with a person being as vocal as they want about their faith... but here's the thing, if you don't bring it up, I'm not going to ask you about it... but the second you bring it up, I'm going to compare what you say with how you live... and Trump falls woefully short.

Can you tell me what makes him fall woefully short please...honest question and would like to see what you say about this.

As a Christian?

Pretty much everything about him. He's a philandering sleaze who will say and do anything he has to to get what he wants. He's proven that time and time again his entire life.

I'm with DC on this. We're from opposite spectrums, but if you're going to talk the talk, guess what you have to do next?

Horse Hockey he can't steal from his opposition! He took the Evangelicals right out of Cruz's pocket!

If everyone who voted for Trump is a moron as you like to say, then most of America is looking like morons!

Now I do agree he needs to consolidate his own base and grow his supporters, or by the end he will lose, BUT SO FAR SO GOOD!

We're living 2008 all over again. People wanted something different than the status quo. They latched on to Obama's catchy slogans with no substance. All we got with Obama was more politics as usual. Now we're at it again. People want change, so they are latching on to Trump and Sanders, both of who will wreck this country.

Rather than voting for change for the sake of change, voters need to sit and think about what they want to change and support candidates that will bring positive change to this country.

"Base" meaning Republican party. He can't garner his own party. His unfavorable ratings are through the roof.

And, while, yes, there are plenty of morons in America, there aren't nearly enough to propel him to the White House.

Will he land a lot of "Damn, I'll hold my nose and vote for him"? Yes. But not nearly enough.

And again...winning less than 40% of your own party in less than 5% of contests isn't "so far, so good".

Can he win the nomination? Yes. Can he win a general? No.

And Hillary Clinton is his best chance, as her unfavorables are through the roof as well.

Most of it has been brought up in this thread... his 3 marriages, his cheating, his profiting from gambling, his less-than-loving stance toward anybody who is not a white American, his profession that he has no need to ask forgiveness, his greed in general...

I could take the question and turn it around... other than the fact that he says he is, what does he do or say that would make somebody look at him and say, "That's a Christian right there."?

His father paved his way through life for him?

Horse Hockey!

That doesn't bother me.... a lot of very fine people used their parents resources and reputation to achieve great things.. it's much more about what he did with it once he got there.

It was a joke. The analogy being God :: Jesus, Fred Trump :: Donald.

Trump isn't remotely Christian, hence...ah, screw it. If you have to explain the joke, it bombed.

I agree with you.

Gobbledegook!

I'll chip in here. Trump has said that he is a Christian, and that he is going to heaven because he is a good person. When asked about the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, tyhe very basis of Christianity, Trump said (not exact, but very close) that he doesn't need to come to the cross, because he does a lot of good things, and he really doesn't do anything wrong. He even doubled down on this, when asked again. He basically said that he is a Christian who doesn't need Christ.

To me, this indicates that he has a major problem when it comes to salvation. I hope that he does come to the cross, in humility, and accepts Christ as his Savior. Otherwise, whether he calls himself a Christian, "eats the little cracker", or does more good deeds than the rest of humanity, he will still be condemned.

Trump will negotiate a deal to get in and if they send him to Hell, give him 6 months and he will run the place!

he's sending Satan to China?

IDK thanks for answering...he has been married for like 10yrs right?? Has he cheated on this one? He seems like he is a good father...donates money and time...and I have to ask...di he say he was like one bad ass Christian and has no faults?

I'm going to read up on this stuff further...but to be honest this is so low on the list of things I care about with him...it wont change my mind for voting for him.

But again thanks I was interested in what you had to say about this.

"Has he cheated on his third wife?" Are you serious? You're the one who brought up his morality. You compared him to Bill Clinton. And now the litmus test is "did he cheat on his third wife"?

And for the record, no he's not very charitable.

This is the single worst argument for a politician I've ever seen on here.

Once again - name a single issue he speaks intelligently on. I can make arguments against it from a liberal, conservative, or moderate point of view. Because there is no intelligent argument for him.

NO! China is Satan.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I'm not even a Trump supporter, but dude, really? You go with this: Hillary.

Really? Everything you say about trump is doubled, even tripled, by hillary.

Hilary isn't sexist, racist, or xenophobic.

Hands down better than Trump.

HA! Wake up, smell the coffee!
Hillary covered up for her husband who abused his subordinates sexually! That's the worst kind of Sexism!

I disagree with her being "hands down better" than anyone. I actually think she is hands down worse than anyone. My left pinky toe included.

But, you know what? I'm not getting into it. Things have been going decent for me work wise - not decent enough. And my parents are trying to deal with some health issues. That's the way things go, right?

I'm not, at least tonight, into having a knock down drag out. Forgive me if that goes against your recall of my posting history.

Good luck.