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Are you guys deliberately twisting my words around?

Did you read my OP on this topic? If so, how in the heck could you come to that conclusion?

I think it's pretty clear that Vers' point is that just because people talk up QB prospects to be first round or top 5 players doesn't mean there is a better than 50/50 shot that they will be good.

How many #2 overall picks who are defensive ends win the Super Bowl?

My brain is shutting down at this one, lol. I can't find your angle on it yet with such an obvious answer.

How many DE's have been drafted #2 overall in the last 30 years? 3

2008 Chris Long
2002 Julius Peppers
1988 Neil Smith

Of those 3, Peppers and Smith both went to the Super Bowl.

Smith's team won the Superbowl twice.

So based off of highly accurate infallible analytical statistics...

If you draft a DE at #2 you have at worst a 66.6% chance of going to the Super Bowl and you have a 33.3% chance of winning multiple Super Bowls.

I say at worst because Peppers and Long are still playing and it could be a 100% chance of winning multiple Super Bowls simply by drafting DE's.

The safest conclusion I can come to is that we should draft anyone named Neil Smith at #2 because then we would have a 100% chance of winning multiple Super Bowls.

If you're going to limit your draftable players because the players at that position haven't won a Super Bowl in the past, then you are not going to pick the player is best for your team.

Versatile Dog is adamantly against drafting a QB at pick #2. One of his reasons is that QBs picked at #2 haven't won many Super Bowls. That fact has no predictive value over future QBs that are selected at pick #2.

Edit: I am totally fine with someone not liking/wanting to draft Goff or Wentz. This specific reason for not wanting to draft one of them is ludicrous.

Does he know that Goff started as a Freshman?

Maybe to say the same thing in a different way is that if the QB class is not very good the fact that one QB is rated as the best of that bunch doesn't automatically make him worthy of a top 5 pick.

I thought you were trying to bait someone into saying Von Miller, since he played significant DE for Denver when he was drafted and they were running a 4-3, but I didn't understand why.

And this is why you are a poor poster. I never made any such claim. You put words into my mouth simply to deflect attention away from the topic and use ridiculous words like "ludicrous."

My thinking on this is multi-faceted and it is far from ludicrous. I have tried to spell it out for you and the other guys who insist we have to take a qb this year, but you don't wanna hear it, so you make things up to discredit my opinions.

It's lame and it is the norm w/too many posters.

no doubt we need a QB but no and I mean NO QB in this draft is worthy of a top ten selection...barely first round talent as far as I can tell. but that's just my opinion..."imo" Best play available is the road i would travel this year and grab a QB when the value is there for one.

But hey. I have been known to be wrong...from time to time

I didn't look at those links. My review was from what I saw on NFLN's coverage of the combine. I didn't even know those links were out there and I look forward to reviewing them when I get the chance. Likely next week if I can find those link in the middle of a massive thread that far after after they were posted.

I stated "all the throws I saw" and qualified by saying that I didn't see all his throws. If you or anyoneelse says there are throws he made at the combine that weren't perfect I wouldn't argue that. I would argue that I didn't see those throws.

The "may have been someone else" comment I made was based on your comment of "this is going on memory" that you posted 3/2/16 at 9:32 - Not sure how to post that link for you.

I never really bought into this using a radar gun on football throws but found this interesting that Lynch, Goff and Wentz were so close. Subjectively, I would have thought Lynch was by fat the strongest arm and Goff by ar the slowest of those 3 with Cook above Goff but below WEntz.



Michigan State's Connor Cook registered a velocity measurement of just 50 miles per hour on the radar gun at the NFL Combine.

Paxton Lynch (59 MPH), Jared Goff (58), and Carson Wentz (57) all exhibited strong velocity at the Combine. Per Rotoviz's Jon Moore via Ourlads' Dan Shonka, Cook's miles-per-hour measurement was the weakest of all quarterbacks invited to Indianapolis. Cook also opted out of the Senior Bowl, which is where NFL scouts assess throwing strength live. A big-named passer in college, Cook is likely headed for a draft-day plunge. And there are several additional red flags on Cook not related to his underwhelming passing ability.

Rumor has it that Goff's interview with the Browns did not go well. Hue Jackson claims that is not the case.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/hue_jackson_dismisses_report_t.html

The rumor was shot down very quickly by well sourced people. The original rumor came from someone at Walter Football.

If the Browns wants us to know that Goff bombed his interview, then we will know and the source of that information will not be Walter Football.

It's smoke and mirror season. It's impossible to tell what is truth and what is fiction this time of the football calendar.

Not only that, but reporters just throw stuff out there not knowing if they are right or not.

LOL..............Jaws has been terrible when it comes to evaluating QBs. Who can forget this brilliant analysis and prediction?




Here is another example of his genius:



Click on that link for more.

And Deputy drops the mic and walks off stage with that one.

I remember Jaws assessment of Kapernick being one of the greatest QBs of all time, I laughed. How can you say such a thing with such a small sample to go from.

Because you are on ESPN and you have to make outrageous statements to get any real air time.

I don't normally pay attention to the guy, but I wished we would have listened when he said "I wouldn't take JFF in the first 3 rounds."

Cardale Jones: I want a career, not a job

Cardale Jones' strained hamstring didn't just cost him an opportunity to throw at the NFL scouting combine.

It cost him an opportunity to make people sit up and take notice.

Not that folks hadn't seen Jones before, but watching up close and personal would have been something else. Jones' size, arm strength, speed and raw ability would combine the pieces of every quarterback designed by an NFL personnel guy.

But his performance and inexperience make him a risk.

Jones has the 2014 experience after starting three games and leading Ohio State to a national title. Then he has 2015, when he was given the job to start the season and lost it. Even with that roller coaster, he left Ohio State 11-0 as a starter.

Had he come out for the draft after '14, it's possible he could have been a second-round pick.

Now?( He's been working with quarterback guru George Whitfield in San Diego to try and improve his fundamentals. But according to ESPN's Mel Kiper, he's also looking at being selected in the fourth or fifth round, especially since he didn't throw at the combine due to the hamstring.

Jones' focus turns to his pro day at Ohio State on March 11.

But Jones doesn't even think throwing will matter that much. If teams have studied him, they know his arm.

"I’m really looking forward to the running part of it, the 40 and the vertical," he said at his combine workout before the hamstring injury. "I mean, dropping back and throwing the ball to guys in shorts and shirts, I don’t think that’s going to ‘wow’ many people when I don’t have any pressure, [and] I don’t have to avoid anything."

Jones has so many positives in terms of size and arm strength so he can't be ignored in this draft. At 6-5 and 250 pounds, he has a cannon for an arm and isn't afraid to run over people.

He also has a refreshingly honest approach to his game.

Asked at the combine if he's NFL ready, he said: "Only time will tell."

Asked about his final season at Ohio State, he said: "It was a disappointment for the personal goals and things I wanted to accomplish. But everything that happened was for the betterment of the team."

Even when he turned down the NFL after winning the national title, Jones shrugged and said there really was no reason to leave, given he had played so little up to that point.

Jones attributed his 2015 struggles -- when he threw five interceptions in five games -- to inexperience. He had just three starts and less than 200 snaps in his career going into the season. He took unnecessary chances, and in some cases, he forced some throws into coverage.

However, Jones insists that he has a greater understanding of the game than he's been given credit for.

"I don’t think I get a lot of credit for how cerebral I am when it comes to being the quarterback," he said.

He said people may think of him as a goofball given his personality, but he added that they don't see the hours he puts in to prepare for games. He even said he was eager to shock teams in his interviews.

"I don’t get a lot of credit for my knowledge of the game. I don’t think OSU gets a lot of credit for the things and the responsibilities they put on a quarterback," he said.

Jones' Twitter account (@CJ12_) is an interesting mix of inspiration and self-promotion. His statement by his handle states "Nothing Worth Having Comes Easy." On Thursday, he posted that "Everyday you get better or worse, you don't stay the same."

He has several photos with fans at a charity event, and a slow motion replay of his 36" vertical (pre-hamstring) leap at the combine. He also re-tweeted a post from NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah, who wrote that when you watch Jones throw, "he's elite."

What, then, to do with Jones?

Does a team focus on the ability and take him in the second round?

Is he better off in spot where he can learn and grow behind an established starter (say, Dallas)?

Or does the lack of production in 2015 push him down to the third day?

Some call Jones the forgotten quarterback in the draft.

Except for this: Ability like his is hard to forget, or ignore.

"I don't want a job," Jones said. "I want a career."

Browns chances: Low in the early rounds, high in the fourth or fifth. The Browns can't afford to take a chance on a project with their first three picks. But if Jones is on the board in the fourth, fifth or sixth round, it would make sense for the Browns to take him. It doesn't matter if he's the second quarterback they draft. It would be a smart move.

Browns main question: Same as it is for every team: Is Jones a lesser version of Cam Newton, or is he the next Jamarcus Russell?

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/18108/cardale-jones-i-want-a-career-not-a-job

I dont know why I like him so much...maybe I am too much of a Buckeye guy. but if he is still around in the fourth or fifth round I want this kid...and why not if our #2 QB does not work out we have another option. But I am pulling for him

I'm pulling for him because I'm a Buckeye fan. I hope the Browns don't draft him because I'm a Browns fan.

I hear ya loud and clear...but...just maybe...juusst maaybe

If he were sitting there in the 5th round I's take him in a heartbeat.

Man, I am glad that we have so many posters that actually think their opinions are more important than facts.

And I posted his "actual" evaluations. Sorry that they got in the way of your agenda.

I suspect he will go to the Texans in the 3rd. O'Brien's history with him probably helps him recover to reclaim his promise. There is a security of familiarity that no other coach can match. I think that is his best chance.

You made a good post, but we really don't know what they will do. This is the first go-around for these guys. One can't say w/any sense of objectivity if they will do a good job or a bad job. I worry that their inexperience will lead them to reaching for a qb that really isn't all that.

We also know that it isn't Hue and his crew. Rather, it's Sashi and his crew, which Hue is a part of.