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That's fair.

There are just a couple other tweets floating around in the Browns internet space referring to 'in order to keep your FA, have continuity' and the like. It's not definite, but is suggestive of what is going on. There is some insider info also not painting a very good picture of what is playing out so far.

It's all information to dissect. We'll see what happens shortly.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/707233440035426305

Great. This just exploded the OL market. Thanks, Oakland.

Oakland isn't setting any precedent here.

People seem to lose sight of the fact that with the new rookie salary cap that veterans will make much more. It's a shifting of the wealth to players that have actually earned big contracts from their play in the league instead of huge rookie deals.

So if you want to thank something, thank the rookie salary structure. Teams always overpay in the FA market and with an increase in the salary cap and the new rookie deal, this is a direct result.

See ya, Mitchell.

Yeah, that signing hurts us and our goals. Kind of thinking we may be finding replacements for both Mack and Mitchell and optimism is fading.

The offensive line was always going to get exploded. Teams have an average of $25 million in cap space and the Raiders need to reach the spending floor this off-season.

I wonder if we go after Doug Martin or not.

Another reason why it's pointless to invest so heavily on the offensive line. When you have 5 strong players, you're going to be paying 5 heavy contracts.

While losing Mack/Gipson/Schwartz/Benjamin is unquestionably bad, I would lay most of the blame on Farmer. Gipson and Benjamin could have been signed to extensions at some point in the past year.

Mack and Schwartz were always going to make it to the open market to try and get the most money possible.

Doubt it.

The analytical community really devalues the running back position. I would be shocked if we paid any significant amount for a running back.

I didn't lose sight of anything. I am well aware that veterans will earn more and I'm happy about that. My point is, the top paid guard before this contract, annually, was $8MM. It just increased significantly (almost 50%) if the numbers are correct. I understand each year FA will eventually become the top paid at their position. I just think this is a huge leap from one year to the next. I also think this effects Mack on Schwartz and what they end up getting, either here or elsewhere.

Joe Barksdale, who is just about average, got four years and $22 million with $10 million guaranteed. That is a little less than I was expecting.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/707239112231817216

Williams was pretty bad last year. They must be getting him for less than Wake's $8.4 million.

Crazy that Cameron Wake will be 34 for the 2016 season.

In addition, especially if we're on deck of losing two of our stater o-linemen - it's pointless to bring in a premier back to run behind a line that can't generate any openings. Can't expect your back to be able to break tackles in the backfield all the time, or if you were Crow last year, never.

The more I look at teams cap space & the associated interest in Mack & Schwartz, the more I think teams are going to reconsider their position in paying them the cash their shooting for.

Mack at 30, 10 million per
- Atlanta, taking a real hard look at 50 M contract
- Seattle, resigning a center
- Jacksonville, has the cash, but 2 yrs later, why not get a good center in the draft for a fraction of the cost. Plus their a few yrs away.
- There might be others but...That is a big nut for a 30 yr old lineman.

Schwartz, more realistic, but still....
- Osemele is out, Raiders
- Vikings are out, Loadholt, restructure & Cummings
- Again Atlanta, but their back to spending 50 M
- Giants, YOU CUT MY BROTHER!!, you never know.
- Plus Schwartz hasn't shown any type position versatility that other signings have.

They are both shooting for the moon & options could be slowly drying up.
Other KEY free agent possibilities may influence where interested teams want to spend their big dollars.

We'll see tomorrow, but these guys may not be the low hanging fruit their agents think they are. At least not for that kind of cash.

The thought of signing Pac Man upsets my stomach. Similar to what follows if I eat alot of Mexican.

Pleaseeee, no.

thats insulting to mexican food. if we sign pac man.....man ugh.

j/c:



https://twitter.com/Rand_Getlin/status/707254419130179584

I understand people not liking Jones's past, but he seems to have really turned things around.

Oh wow....

I thought players/agents and teams weren't allowed to "come to an agreement" during this period.

That's crazy money for a GUARD and sure makes me wish we had offered Mack and Schwartz $9 million per each a couple weeks ago.

Wasn't it last season where he ripped off Amaris Coopers helmet and slammed his face into the ground? Didn't he hit a ref or something too and got fined? Those are just two recent events, I'm sure if I Googled - there would be more.

I don't see how he turned things around. May have tamed things down, but he's still uncontrollable imo. Again, no thanks. I'll take Tramon over him any minute of the day.

I thought we weren't signing any more 30+ FAs until we were a player or two away.

I'd like to have some attitude on the D side of the ball. I'll take a 15 yard penalty every couple weeks and some fines as long as the D is aggressive.

Oh no doubt. But there's a difference between being aggressive and being plain ole fashioned stupid. IMO, just me, but Pac Man falls into that stupid mistakes category.

I believe this encapsulates the growing theme about the Osemele contract..



https://twitter.com/RapSheet

And then there is this:


https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/707263075330744320

It seems like Mack and Schwartz were getting to the market no matter what. They have an offer from us in their back pocket and if they get something better they take it. We just have to hope that they give us the chance to match it.

Malik Jackson is signing with the Jaguars.

https://twitter.com/MikeKlis/status/707263633097515008

Love what the Jaga are doing instead of sitting on their asses every free agency period. They're a team with promise and a QB.

Not seeing as many rumors as I thought I would. Regarding US, that is.

Let's see them win some games.

In other news:

Tamba Hali re-signed with the Chiefs.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/707267879750733824

Also a refresher because we are going to run into a lot of this in the coming days:

Re-sign - "Tamba Hali re-signed with the Chiefs."

Resign - "The president of the company resigned because he was accused of sexual harassment."

Last year everything exploded as soon as the league year started.

Jackson is getting $15 million per year. No word on the guarantees yet.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/707269696912039936

Things are about to go bonkers.

Mac, they can only make offers. They can't hold a gun to Macks head or Schwartz's head to make them accept.

I'm pretty sure that if they offered either Mack or Schwartz 15 mill a year they'd accept. But then folks on here would call the Browns fools..

If they make them fair offers and the players don't accept, then that's that. move on. But to consider them failures for that, that might be a stretch.

ON the other hand, offering short money and getting beat out, that I think I'd consider a failure.

It's just a rumor at this point. I'd expect Jones to end up in Dallas.