DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns should go hard after Kaepernick

I agree with you that it would be dumb, just trying to say that we were probably just trying to get an asset for less than it's actually worth.

Kaepernick is 28 years old, He will be 29 in November.

We seem to be working towards purging the team of all players not on their 1st contracts. Why would we add a guy who will be 32 or 33 when this team finally is rebuilt? What sense would that make?

none...he is not that good anyway...the more I think about it, and the more I see we are grabbing a QB #2 overall. and that sucks I think it's a reach at best

We should develop a series of memes centered around the idea of an "Analytic Machine" that they asked questions to. Like they all huddle around a magic 8ball type of device and ask, 'How do we fix our starting QB problem' and it spits out 'Trade your 3rd round pick for a QB who has an insane salary and also got benched for Blaine Gabbert this year' or something like that. It's came to the point that the Browns are so consistently bad that the only logical conclusion is some sort of Rasputin like figure/object that is leading us to our destruction.

j/c:


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/708283594901430272


https://twitter.com/SportsBoyTony/status/708284104651964416

If this scenario ever did come to life, and we got Kaep, and he did well. Makes perfect sense to me. It would mean we could plug and play a new young QB and make his transition to the league easy as heck.

FYI.. I dont think that Kaep will make any team look good.

I don't think Kap would take us to the promise land, but he certainly has shown the ability that he can be OK.

And it allows us to fill holes around the team before AS we rebuild. If he's adequate, it may make the team more sought after if we show some promise. We take a QB next year or year after or something.

I don't know. Hopefully it would be ok.

Plus, we have the money now to suck up his contract, and could dump him in a few years to make room if need be.

....I just want to win so I'm trying to justify anything we do.

he said "We have won no more than 5 games since 2007"

not sure where he was 2 years ago...

Obviously it was an oversight, I don't think it's a big deal.

didnt say it was a big deal. but the guy asked what was funny and i got a chuckle over it.

I must say... the lingering speculation/possibility of getting Kaepernick is very unsettling. Why can't he just before traded to anyone but us so we don't need to worry.

If the Browns do trade for Kap, hopefully they are not trading away draft picks... The Browns need all the draft picks they can get and them some more.

My guess is that it would be a draft pick(s)....a conditional draft pick(s).

It would almost definitely be a pick. Or draft position.

The reports of the cost of a 2nd draft pick is, IMO, ridiculous for Kap. Beyond ridiculous.

SF Gets
#2 Overall Pick (Goff/Wentz)

Cleveland Gets
QB Colin Kaepernick
#7 Overall Pick
#68 Overall Pick
2017 2nd Round Pick

Cleveland Drafts
#7: RB Ezekiel Elliot OSU
#32: OT Jack Conklin/Taylor Decker
#65: OLB Carl Nassib PSU
#68: WR Braxton Miller OSU
#96: S Kevin Byard MTSU

Editors Note: Based on Kaps value being around a late 2nd/early third round pick, as reported, thats about the best possible value we could get. I used the value chart, so its taken with a grain of salt. No I dint think we'd get that much in return. But I also don't think I'm asking for too much..

Also, our first 3-4 picks could be all OSU players and I'm totally ok with that..

Let's trade JM straight up for Kaepernick. Wouldn't that cause a stir. I doubt SF would do it anyway without more compensation.

This is the only scenario that makes sense, and the only one I wouldn't balk at.

I would trade Manziel for a 6 week old, 90% eaten piece of toasted crust.

I understand not trusting our talent evaluators yet, but Elway is a guy who knows what he's doing. I'd trust his ability to evaluate talent over a lot of other guys. There's a reason HE wants Kapernick.

If they do trade a pick, it better be to get at least 3 more draft picks in return! Only way to try and right this ship. After drafting so many busts, the bell curve has to change in our favor one day right?

I think you have your J's mixed up

Yes, he's very desperate at this point. His only QB on the roster is Trevor Siemian.

Exceptionally desperate. He needs to secure someone that is at least half-decent while working out a more solid solution.

He could get Hoyer for that. I wouldn't call him necessarily good, but there's a lot worse out there.

The Browns aren't as desperate?

Not as much as Denver. The Browns are in nuke mode. Denver is dealing with a legit contention window.

Also, the Browns own the second pick in the draft and Denver owns 31.

Hell, we might be able to trade McCown for Denvers third rounder if we wanted to.

Haven't they been in nuke mode sense 2000 though? when does the rebuilding ever end?

When we actually build something.

Not intentionally. At this point though, i'd be shocked if Thomas is still on the team after draft day. They appearing to be tearing this thing down to the studs.

... and i'm not sure it's the wrong way to go about it to be honest.

Conditional picks cannot be traded.

Drafting busts is a skill set here, and it has nothing to do with chance.

It's like buying lottery tickets each week... you don't get better odds each time you buy them.

Didn't the Titans trade us a 2016 condition pick for RB Terrance West?

Compensatory picks cannot be traded - e.g. the extra picks the NFL gives to teams that lose valuable free agents without getting a reasonable replacement.

A conditional pick is a type of trade item.

*

Yes, true.


After reading his post again, Menphis could have meant trading compensatory picks..or conditional picks? IDK