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The Shannahan Clan and Elway are super tight and everyone knows the rift between RG3 and the Shannahans. No one is surprised that Elway didnt take a sniff at RG3. RG3 blames them for running him to the ground, they blame him for going over their head to the owner. Both sides were right.

Stupid article. After making a few phone calls lol.

Another favorite comment I heard was how will the Browns protect RG3, they were 30th in sacks and lost 2 of their offensive linemen. Umm 30 in sacks with them worst can happen is we fall to 32 lol I mean seriously I know its the dumb season but damn, I am getting dumber evertime i hear some of this stuff.

Is it sad that I Googled for six minutes or so and couldn't find out when our players report for camp?

I know it's in April because I recall Hue saying that, anyone know what day?

April 4th. There's an article somewhere that Hue will probably miss Paxton Lynch's pro day because of it.

But But But "all of our QB's held on to the ball too long! Our Oline was fine according to the oline guru's here.

Our Qbs did hold the ball to long but our line wasnt good last year. Didnt open run lanes. Bitonio playing injured hurt us. Then Grecco hurt. Mack was rag dolled early on.

With Elways history as a player (refusal to play with Colts and troubles with his coach, Dan Reeves), who is he to judge on character concerns..

He shoots .... and scores!

I disliked the turd Elway long before the Drive, because he would not play for the Colts.

We won't get a 3rd for McCown, but he still will not be here for week 1. Someone will give us a 6th, or maybe even a conditional 5th, for him. He showed a lot of good things last year, and his flaws can be blamed on the team around him if one tries hard enough. The bottom like for the Browns has to be this. He won what .... 1 game last year? The team has created holes in 4 spots by not re-signing free agents, and that puts us further away from winning. McCown is 37. We need to revamp our OL, and McCown tends to hold the ball a long, long time. Ad it all up, and it makes no sense to keep him.

Hue likes RG3 as a player, and thinks that he can develop him. That says a lot to me, as Hue has developed QBs all throughout his career. I look forward to seeing what he can do with a talented kid like RG3. We are also in prime position to grab our choice of QB in the upcoming draft, and we will not be forced into starting that rookie. If he comes in and rips the job away from RG3, then great. If RG3 studs out and nails the rookie to the bench, great. I just don't see the downside to bringing in RG3, and in getting a draft pick for McCown, a guy we might otherwise cut.

I think RG3 coming here with Hue as coach is a good situation. We shouldn't count or want RG3 to run the ball. We need to get HIM a running game.

Yet the turd helped assemble a SB winning team.

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I certainly have character concerns over Griffin. However, I have greater character concerns about Shanny Jr.

It appears people who know how to build a Super Bowl winning team don't share the conspiracy theory that some fans have permeated on this message board.

So, now we essentially have 2 Josh McCown's on the team at QB.
This signing makes no sense to me.
RG3 was a BUST long ago.

It also appears that people who know how to build a Super Bowl winning team stay away from Shanny Jr

Funny how only Mike, a stand-up gentleman, was mentioned.

RG3 is talented no doubt, but the guy has not been able to stay healthy and with our track record of getting QBs hurt his time in Cleveland will be short just like all the others. Plus he has almost no talent around him and we know that you absolutely cannot count on Gordon to stay out of trouble.

I truly believe we will still be picking a QB at 2, but I think the thought will be that he sits and learns for a year.

If it's a 5th round or 6th round for Josh, I'd rather keep him.

He's insurance for RG3.

And cmon.. Elway had freaking Peyton Manning on his team... Everyone knows your best bet to winning a ship is joining Manning or Brady. If Manning were not on the Broncos, they would not have had the free agent signings that they pulled.

I credit Peyton for building that team more than I do Elway.

Breakdown of QB Robert Griffin III's Contract With the Browns

By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Mar 25, 2016, 7:51p

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/3/25/1...with-the-browns


The full, year-by-year contract details for Cleveland Browns QB Robert Griffin III are now available, via various sources such as Over the Cap and the USA Today. We will take a look at the structure of his contract, his guaranteed money, the incentives he can earn, why the incentives are set up the way they are, and more. Griffin's deal is considered to be 2 years for $15 million, with a maximum value of $22 million.

QB Robert Griffin III - Browns' Contract Breakdown
Base Salary Signing Bonus Roster Bonus Total Cap Hit
2016 $ 3,250,000 $ 1,750,000 $ 750,000* $ 5,000,000
2017 $ 6,000,000 $ 1,750,000 $ 1,500,000 $9,250,000
Total $ 9,250,000 $ 3,500,000 $ 2,250,000 $ 14,250,000

First, let's look at Griffin's guaranteed money. He received a $3.5 million signing bonus, which gets split over each year of the deal. His entire base salary for 2016 is also guaranteed. Therefore, he has $6.75 million in guaranteed money. If the Browns opt to cut Griffin next offseason, they'll only have to carry $1.75 million in dead money. Because his base salary this season is fully guaranteed, it's doubtful that the team would cut him after training camp this year.

Griffin can make per-game roster bonuses in 2016 and 2017 totaling $750,000 each season, or $46,875 per game. While it is unclear whether those bonuses kick in for starts or just appearances, I'd have to imagine it is for starts.

For 2016, the $750,000 in the form of a roster bonus does not count against his cap hit for 2016 (hence the asterisk in the table above). Why? Because it is considered to be a "not likely to be earned (NLTBE)" bonus. When you factor in roster bonuses tied to games, it is based off of what the player did in the previous season. If Griffin had started 8 games last year, then $375,000 would've counted against the cap as a "likely to be earned" bonus, with the rest as not likely. Griffin didn't play at all in the 2015 regular season, though, so the entire $750,000 amount for 2016 is NLTBE.

What happens if Griffin starts every game in 2016? The cap would not change during the season, but when the NFL calculates carryover/adjustments for the 2017 salary cap, the Browns' carryover amount will be reduced by Griffin's NLTBE amount, along with any other small adjustments the team might owe. For 2017, the $750,000 counts against the cap. Griffin is also due a $750,000 roster bonus on the third day of the 2017 league year.

On top of everything we've mentioned, Griffin can also earn up to $3.5 million in various incentives for each year of his contract (for a total of $7 million in incentives). It is unclear what exactly that entails, but Tom Pelissero of the USA Today labels it as "individual performance incentives for playtime, passing yards and passer rating."

This year, Griffin currently has the 9th biggest cap hit on the Browns. The person directly in front of him at No. 8? That would be QB Josh McCown, who I think the team will look to trade for a conditional draft pick.
In terms of average per year ($7.5 million), Griffin is the 23rd-highest paid quarterback in the league. Even if he reaches all of his incentives ($11 million a year), he would still be the 23rd-highest paid quarterback in the league. The only quarterbacks Griffin is really making more than right now are quarterbacks on their rookie contracts (which are standard amounts), and the likes of Chad Henne and Brian Hoyer.

Griffin's guaranteed money isn't all that much either. A few members of the national media were astounded that the Browns gave Griffin a massive contract or something. The truth is that they found the sweet spot of what is pretty much the minimum deal for a quarterback these days, and that's even if Griffin plays out-of-his-mind to earn his maximum incentives.

Lastly, let's update our previous post to determine how much cap space the Browns now have with Griffin on the roster.

Formal Calculations

The Browns' previous Top 51 figure was $120.392 million. We need to add Griffin's 2016 cap hit ($5 million), but then reduce that amount by a minimum salary player ($525,000). Therefore, we're increasing the Browns' Top 51 amount to $124.867 million.

Browns' Top 51 Cap Total: $124.867 million
Browns' Dead Money for 2016: $13.547 million
Browns' Total Cap Spent for 2016: $124.867 million + $13.547 million = $138.414 million

The Browns' adjusted salary cap for 2016 is $176.686 million. When you subtract the two subtotals ($176.686 million - $138.414 million), we conclude that the Browns have "$38.272 million in cap space" as of March 25th.

He is the architect of a team that has been to 2 of the 3 last Super Bowls and won the last won.

Brown's fans are really annoying.

are my feelings supposed to be hurt? Again, he can't question anyone's character...

No, that was not my intention. However, I think he might have a bit more insight into the situation than guys like us.

Nice article - thanks for posting

I still think we draft a qb at 2 and have zero faith in RG 3 but we did sign a formal number 2 overall QB who has shown flashes when healthy for basically the minimum for a QB.... I don't think this is a horrible move, but I'm not a huge fan of his

You just articulated my feelings on signing Griffin, except I don't have "zero" faith. I have about 20 per cent faith we will catch lightning in a bottle with him.

Are we still trying to follow that Seattle model?

Cause if so we should DEFINITELY draft a QB in the 3rd round..

Lets make it official, draft Jake Rudock, only because he was a transfer..

Follow the model to a T.

It's not like Elway was questioning the guy's character in a personally judgmental way. He was questioning whether RGIII would be a fit on the team he is building.
Look, I will always hate Denver and Elway too, but give credit where it is due. The guy has a Super Bowl winner just sitting there in need of just an average QB to repeat. And Shanny told him to stay away.
It doesn't mean it won't work for us. Lot of upside to this signing.

RG 3.1 maybe 3.2 is a perfect choice if you go w/ the analytical look.
Low risk, money-wise, and if he strikes Gold.... High Gains or Wins.

Being based in Cincy I am surrounded by Beagle Fans.
Before each game I'd ask my neighbor "Good Andy or Bad Andy today?"
If Jackson and his schemes can get Dalton, a VERY erratic in terms consistency GB, to the Playoffs.... he can work w/ RG 3.
He designs his Offense around his talent's strengths.... sure the Beagles have more talent....but lets see what shakes out after the draft.
WAY too early to tell how Hue will be using anyone.

The problem w/that theory is that Gruden got 'Dalton, a VERY erratic in terms consistency GB, to the Playoffs....' and didn't work well w/RGIII.

Agreed.
But Jackson then tailored his O Schemes to minimize Dalton's weaknesses.

It will be interesting to see if RG3.2's new training coach has better luck than Gruden did....

Gruden's style is very structured and all about precision. It was always going to be very hard to fit RG3 into that style of offense so early in his career.

Jackson has shown an ability to fit a QB into his offense. When he had Palmer, he ran a timing, short passing offense then took shots deep. Then he use Pryor totally different and made him look pretty average too. With Dalton, he ran a lot of Zone Read options in the passing game and consistently improved him.

I trust Hue to take the raw ability of RG3 and turn it into something productive on the field.

We should draft a QB with every pick. Will add to our Guiness Book Of World Recods standing and continue to keep us the laughingstock of the entire professional sports games universally.

Do you really think there was enough cap space in the entire NFL that would have kept Mack here? Our FA's are leaving for less money. Duh.

I second.

I sure would have loved seeing RGIII throw 7 five yard passes to Dwayne Bowe. Maybe he'll be able to throw to Gordon until his suspension next season. And if RGIII and McCown go down with injuries we can always re-sign Weeden or Manziel. I don't think anyone has jumped on the opportunity to add them to their roster. I wonder what Tim Couch or Charlie Frye are up to these days?

Dean, I am not sure I understand your point. I don't think anyone (maybe Hue) is truly excited about RGIII, so much as we are just weighing in on whether is makes sense to roll the dice on a low-risk option. I like and respect McCown, but what's the point of letting him get the crap knocked out of him so we can go 4-12 and still not have an answer at QB?
And everyone is sick of Gordon's crap, but what were we supposed to do, just cut him? Unlike last year, no one is really counting on him for much.
We have to draft a QB and a WR and probably some OLs, too.

1. Sitting on a couch, or
2. "Do you want fryes with that?"

In that case, I wish Spergeon "Wynn" was still with us