DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Josh Gordon is ready for your drug tests.

hahaha I knew I screen capped this one for a reason. What a completed horses ass.

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https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/719874136928100352


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/719876804262150144

What the hell is the NFL doing? This inconsistent song and dance is ridiculous.

However, I do think the Browns will release him now if he gets reinstated.

What do you mean, what is the NFL doing? If they are being inconsistent, it is sure going in Josh's favor this time. Goodell could just as easily deny the reinstatement and tell JG to try again next year.

NFL’s position on Josh Gordon makes no sense

If Browns receiver Josh Gordon had submitted a diluted sample in connection with a drug test imposed after his current suspension ended, he would have been subject to another suspension for at least one year. Now that he has submitted a diluted sample while still suspended, the NFL reportedly wants to see if he can make it 2-3 more months without another failed test.

The position makes no sense (with all due respect), given the realities of the substance abuse policy. Technically banished for life with the ability to be reinstated after one year, Gordon already has exhausted his last chance. Since a player who returns from a one-year suspension remains in Stage 3 of the program for at least 24 months, Gordon would be, if reinstated, one false move away from yet another banishment.

So why not reinstate him with the understanding that another positive means another suspension for a minimum of one year? Since that standard will apply if/when he’s reinstated, this approach provides an even greater incentive than keeping him away from his team for the balance of the offseason program in the hopes that he’ll manage to stay clean while left to his own devices.

It’s almost as if the NFL recognizes the heavy-handed nature of its commitment to keeping seasonal employees from smoking marijuana or drinking alcohol when on their own time, and that the league is actually trying to cut Gordon a break. So why would the league do that?

At a time when capable players are choosing not to play football, causing some to predict that more and more will do the same, maybe the NFL is beginning to realize that its habit of telling players what they can and can’t do on their own time is keeping multiple ready, willing, and able star players from setting foot on the field.

Right now, suspended receivers like Gordon, Justin Blackmon, and Martavis Bryant aren’t available to play, and they want to play. With Calvin Johnson choosing not to play, wouldn’t it make much more sense for the NFL to find a way to get Gordon, Blackmon, and Bryant on the field?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/12/nfls-position-on-josh-gordon-makes-no-sense/

It definitely could be in Josh's favor, but it's still inconsistent. But if he failed then Goodell should just deny him now, why wait 2-3 months? That's not been the procedure before.

Yeah I agree that it is kind of strange. Florio brought up some good points in the article you posted. Honestly I don't even really know what to say-- I am floored that this is even an issue again.

Yeah, it was a joke, that whole article.

Here's the link dawgsbynature

At the bottom click the link that says, "Click here to read the full article".

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So if these most recent reports are true, and if the diluted test was 30 days ago, he'll have another 30-60 before possible reinstatement?

Sounds like BS being filtered through Schefter via Rosenhaus.

It is really dumb that the NFL is giving him 60-90 days to stay clean (again). He failed the test. Why give him another shot? Was the test not failed?

I have no idea what 'failed' means anymore with the NFL. Apparently the pot level was below the required level to fail, but was diluted. Thus, a fail as far as I understand it.

Regardless, there was pot. Now, I don't think pot is an big issue AT ALL, but the fact he still has it in his system may play a role w/ Cleveland if he is reinstated.

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I don't know what the NFL is doing. However, I will say that I don't think they are being unfair.

I know a guy here in SC that got a DUI. He had to go to attend--I think 8--classes. Random urine tests were given. He was told that if the urine was diluted, he would automatically fail the test and be bumped up into the next category, which would be a lot more expensive and time-consuming. He said he ran a lot and drank a lot of water. They told him to try and not drink so much water on the days he came to class. That's it. Word.

Which one? Multiple choice test? Trick question?

I think they are being more than fair. He failed the test. He should not get another shot.

Torch and pitchfork time. He failed one, right? Burn the witch to the ground.

Milk the cow you been riding? Just unbelievably stoooopid.

If the 60-90 re-test period is true and not just bluster from Rosenhaus, I certainly don't think Gordon has much hope of passing. Not that it really has much bearing on the Browns future plans anyway.

Manziel posted this photo of he and Gordon to his Instagram account last night and promptly deleted it. Gordon looks cooked!

Sheesh........why would he post that pic?

These guys amaze me w/their ignorance.

If true, I wouldn't cut him. I've been on the same side of this the whole time. He's cheap, he's talented, we own his rights, and if he can ever get clean, he's playing every freaking down. I see players on other rosters that beat their wives/girlfriends, scar their own kids legs and testicles with a stick, get DUI's, and murderer people. I can handle having a pot smoking WR on my team(especially if he's catching 100+ catches, 1200 yards, and ~15 TDs).

And when he screws up again, you wait for him to come back.

I'm not saying he's the #1 WR on the depth chart and we don't have other WRs ready to play. He's like that extra helping of whip cream on your ice cream. If he's there, great. If not, so what.

I tend to agree with you, however, I'm just not certain the Browns FO does.

Yeah, if he stays clean somehow and gets reinstated, Noone will give us anything for him. He's a proven mishap in the making.

IMO, the league should just expel of him. He's been given way too many opportunities to get his act together, but...

There is no reason to ever cut him if he is still suspended. The Cardinals still have Daryl Washington and the Jaguars still have Justin Blackmon. We're not paying him and he's not around the team to bring them down.

I'm flabbergasted that the NFL is giving him another shot.

I'll accept it because we need some freaking talent on this roster, but I won't profess to understand it.

Then again, when have the NFL's actions on policy enforcement ever made sense?

Bingo. It's like they're making up policy on the fly.

Hey, if it can finally benefit us, so be it. I won't complain.

Dumb and Dumber 4 ...

If he nails this millionth opportunity and gets reinstated, I'm embarrassed to have him on the roster. At this stage, regardless of how disgustingly awesome he is as a wide receiver, he's only going to drag us down deeper and deeper than what his immaturity has already. He fits absolutely none of the character attributes Hue and company preach.

JMO

Very funny/thanks for the laugh!

What's this, a parting shot from Manziel to the Browns?

Not defending the guy...

That said, the 'dilute' part is kind of a bunch of crap. My girlfriend doesn't smoke. Yet prior to getting a job a couple years back she was sent for the (unconstitutional) drug test. Knowing she had to pee on command she drank her morning coffee and a big glass of water to assure her need to pee when she arrived at the facility. She produced her sample. Few days later was called because she 'failed' the test because it was too dilute. There was no attempt on her part to do anything nefarious. Just to have a full bladder. In an act of sanity (which the NFL isn't displaying much of in this regard) she was asked to go back and pee again. Which she did. Only this time not drinking more than just her usual coffee. She passed the test.
I guess what I'm saying is why does a dilute sample fail you in the NFL? Drag the guy back the next day and make him pee again.

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Gordon, NFLPA could seek investigation regarding confidentiality breach

On multiple occasions over the last 24 hours, someone has violated the confidentiality provisions of the substance abuse policy in relation to Browns receiver Josh Gordon.

The first came when someone leaked to FOX Sports, the Associated Press, and NFL Media that Gordon had failed a drug test last month. The second came when someone leaked to Adam Schefter of ESPN that the NFL wants to see Gordon stay clean over the next two or three months before reinstating him.

It’s clear that a violation of the broad confidentiality requirement occurred. Consider Section 1.2.1 of the substance abuse policy: “The Medical Advisor, Medical Director, Program Administrator, Team Substance Abuse Physician, Chief Forensic Toxicologist and all employees and consultants of the NFL, NFL Management Council, NFLPA (including its employees, members and Certified Contract Advisors), Evaluating Clinicians, Treating Clinicians and NFL Clubs (‘Interested Parties’) shall take all reasonable steps to protect the confidentiality of information acquired in accordance with the provisions of this Policy, including but not limited to the history, diagnosis, treatment, prognosis, test results, or the fact of participation in the Intervention Program of any Player or the Club(s) employing or having employed the Player (‘Intervention Program Information’).”

Even if the information leaked about Gordon is accurate, the policy prevents dissemination before the official announcement of disciplinary action. Considering the pair of confidentiality breaches in this case, it can be inferred that someone wanted to provide an explanation for the ongoing failure of the league to reinstate Gordon. Absent official disciplinary action, the situation would have lingered without explanation (and with ongoing criticism of the league), possibly for two or three more months.

Still, absent authorization from the player, the confidentiality provision was violated. And the policy calls for fines and/or termination of employment when that occurs.

The real question is whether anything will be done about the fairly obvious breaches of Gordon’s confidentiality rights. Per a league source, discussions between Gordon and the NFL Players Association regarding potential recourse has commenced. Section 1.2.3 of the policy provides that the NFL and NFLPA may agree to retain an independent investigator to explore the situation.

Arguably, the league itself committed a per se violation of the confidentiality provision via the report of the failed test from the league’s in-house media conglomerate. Since NFL Media is the NFL, anything reported by NFL Media is reported by the NFL. And the NFL, in theory, has the ability to request that its employees identify the sources of the information that resulted in the breach.

Before it ever comes to that, the NFL and NFLPA would have to agree to do something about it. At this point, there’s no reason to think that the confidentiality provision will be treated any differently than it ever has been — as words on paper that potentially have some sort of deterrent effect but that ultimately have no teeth because the rule is rarely if ever enforced.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...tiality-breach/

The NFL is throwing Gordon a bone by allowing him to retest. He should not upset the apple cart.

Assuming he can sue them, this may be his only chance at making some money in the next year.

All jokes aside, if I were a member of the union, I'd want him to sue, or at least have the players union sue on his behalf. It is completely wrong that his test results and any communications regarding his possible reinstatement are being leaked to the media. Nobody should know this.

As I was reading about all this last night I myself wondered about the breach of confidentiality, or appearance of it.

quote above by Portland:

"She produced her sample. Few days later was called because she 'failed' the test because it was too dilute."

I had this same thing happen in 1999. I drank a ton of fluids so I could "pee-on-command" and then got a call a day or two later because my urine was too diluted.

And I might add the "medical staff" who conducted the urine tests were incredible jerks who loved having power over people.

I told them to add Kool-Aid and sweeter this time.

I couldn't possibly agree more. He's getting, yet another, major and huge break. I don't even think he realizes it. He as in Gordon.

He applied for reinstatement in February, failed a drug test in March.. you can't get much dumber than that.

Actually, I just watched "a football life" on NFL Network the other day. The episode was entitled "Cleveland 95".

In truth, Belichick had the team running in the right direction. Modell had allowed him to do what he wanted pretty much (not sure if Rison was a BB pick or a AM decision)

The team was poised to move forward in 1995. Lots of folks were picking the Browns to get to and perhaps win a Superbowl the next year.

Then part way through the season, Art pulled the plug on everything and completely deflated the team. He killed it.

If you ever get a chance to see that show, watch it. Prepare to get angry.