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Browns a long shot to draft Paxton Lynch.

https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/722930211268927488

Silver has been money all off-season. He and Hue Jackson are pretty close.

I personally have the feeling we're going to trade back again and select the BPA ... hopefully acquire another 2nd round pick ... and then look to draft Cook

I wouldn't be surprised if we went Hogan later and tried to fix his mechanics. Pep coached at Stanford, and it's not Harvard but it's almost Ivy league, right?

I've seen a few others now stating the Lynch to Cleveland pick.

To be fair, Silver also had the Browns and 49ers having agreed to terms on Kaeprenick deal.

We'll see in about a week.

Silver did not say that about Kaepernick.

He definitely did not.

Ok. "General Agreement."

On Friday, NFL.com's Michael Silver wrote that the 49ers and Browns "are in general agreement regarding the draft-pick compensation that it would take to acquire Kaepernick,"

Link

Which was true. We just couldn't get Kaepernick to budge on his salary (neither could the Broncos).

Lynch at 8 seems like a huge reach; you'd be better off taking Cook at some point and tweaking his footwork (which is the cause of his accuracy issues).

Hue Jackson had said something about preferring (or possibly just being open to) waiting to take a QB in the 2nd round, as opposed to taking one in the 1st.

Maybe he was telling the truth.

I would love it if we drafted Lynch!!!! He has some really nice touch on those deep balls. Throws with better anticipation that Goff or Wentz too. I don't think he will make it past the cowboys or the niners though.

Lynch is my top Qb but I think Hue believes he has his QB in RG3. I believe we take a QB but more likely to be a Dak Prescott in the 3rd.

I don't see them taking Lynch at 8. If he fizzled, and Wentz studded out, these guys would be driven out of town. And they just can't be THAT certain of Lynch.

Can't find it, but I am pretty sure in one of the RGIII threads someone in the Browns office said that they never actually spoke to Kap about a restructure or with SF on trade parameters. The team's supposed interest in Kap was a smoke screen to cover our interest in RGIII.

I used search and the phrase "smoke screen" appears in the second RGIII thread but clicking the link gives me a "404 not cfound" error, so this is from memory.

You might want to reread what Milk said.

I think Lynch would be a good option for the Browns if they trade down again.

He has the most upside of any qb in the draft. He's huge. He's athletic. He has great feet. He is very accurate most of the time. He has a great arm.

He is just very raw and it will take time to groom him. Having RGIII and McCown here would allow the Browns to give Lynch enough time to get ready.

I think Lynch is a guy we can land at 32 or maybe trade back up into the bottom of the first round. I would be shocked if he goes before then.

I don't see him making it past Buffalo or the Jets. Buffalo could sit him a year like he needs, but I think the Jets would ruin him by starting him day 1. I'd love to get him top of round 2, I just can't see him dropping that far with the premium on quarterbacks.

I think you are probably right about that.

You might be right on the Jets, but starting a rookie on a team full of veterans won’t go over well, they would have to re-sign Fitz and let him sit until he is ready. He is not a day 1 starter, he definitely needs some time to acclimate IMO.

Lynch at 32? I'm game, if he lives beyond Buffalo/NY. If not him, Cardale in the later rounds would be okay. Any Qb we pickup shouldn't be, and likely won't be asked to start. Red shirt them!

Funny, a couple of weeks ago, I asked what folks thought of this guy. Didn't get one response. I'm not sure what to think of him.

I did an eval somewhere. No idea where that thread is now. I'm gonna look at Cook, Dak and Lynch today.

Watch the Navy game for Lynch. People point out the Auburn game as one he struggled in, and some counter with looking at the team around him. I wasn't impressed with this film either. A top QB should be able to carve up a service academy.

Pros:
Good feet
Good pocket presence
Very athletic for his size
B+ Arm
Mostly accurate
He is 6’7
Throws very well on the run.


Here are some nice throws.

https://vine.co/v/iFxu5WBex59

https://vine.co/v/iFPlIdzUhew




Cons:
Lot’s of bubble screens and HB screens
Not a lot of pro routes in his offense
Almost exclusively operated from the shotgun
Coming from a one read offense, was not asked to go through multiple progressions on a regular basis.
Often relies on his athleticism instead of trusting his progression and protection


Watching them play Auburn was brutal. They were completely outmatched by a 6-6 Auburn team in their bowl game. His receivers couldn’t get even a half step on the Auburn corners. I would be very surprised if anyone from this team aside from Paxton Lynch got drafted. The only real cons I can come up with is the system he comes from. It is the furthest thing from a pro style system, he has a lot to learn about being under center and operating a pro system, but he has all the tools to succeed in the NFL.

Unfortunately some guys never really can make that adjustment from spread to pro style. Can he? We’ll see.

He does flash some nice throws, but he has near as many poor one's down the field. He also has so many throws behind the line of scrimmage and predetermined reads which he stares down. Leaves a lot of yards on the field by making his receivers adjust.

He reminds me of a more athletic Derek Anderson. He could put up a good season/game here or there, but he will probably have some clunkers, too. Seems to handle pressure better, though.

If I knew we could get him and Doctson, I might roll the dice. He has the arm but his placement is streaky. Doctson has lots of practice adjusting to off target passes.

I think I read that the Browns weren't even at his pro day. Can't see it happening.

Part of me is hoping Connor Cook but I get a little scared by his low-ish completion percentage.

I don't think he struggled that badly against Navy. They had a bunch of drops and 3 fumbles.



This was probably the worst throw I've seen him make and it was against Navy, he just didn't see the guy.


https://vine.co/v/iFxAFFliF2p

Hue Jackson missed his pro day. The reasoning was that it was the 1st day of the Browns off-season conditioning program.

I wouldn't read too much into Hue not being there.

The Browns had him in for a private workout on March 28th Link .

I've talked about Lynch several times. Also, I am pretty sure I DID answer your question about Lynch.

Purely based on that video I'd be concerned that someone so big needs to put his body into throws as much as it he appears he does. That was one of my biggest issues with Manziel, that's not true arm strength.

I was thinking I was on board with him if we traded back again to the middle of the round but based on very limited views of his play now I'm not so sure...

I'd rather have Cook. At least he ran a pro system and had to make reads down the field. I liked him a lot going into this past season. He didn't have as good of a season as I had hoped but I feel like there's more to him than just size.
I wonder if Lynch were 6'2" with his same skill set how would people be talking about him this year? "A little undersized, plays in a gimmic offense, doesn't have to make reads, doesn't play under center..."
I want a guy that can do the basics already. Drop back in 3,5, and 7 step drops while making reads. A few inches in height is less appealing when Cook is already 6'4" and athletic.
Personally I think Lynch's size has him overvalued.

I agree with this. We just can't target a QB at the #32 spot with Denver sitting 31 in front of us. As much as I don't like trading down again we could get an extra pick or two, move down a few spots, then take Lynch.

And most importantly, he has a cool last name!

He'll be the third QB taken in the first round, IMO. He's also my third choice. While he doesn't have great feet, and does need to be coached up, he has huge upside with his arm, size and field vision. This would be a pick worth developing by Hue. Problem is, this FO is so set on acquiring picks and so rigid at assigning value they won't take him at 8, he definitely won't be there at 32, and it's HIGHLY unlikely they'd trade up to get him, especially since they'd probably need to get at least into the teens to do it. He may even be gone before then though.

If they take Connor Cook in any round, I'll puke.

j/c

I think you guys are right that we won't take him at 8 and that he won't get past the Bills and Jets, but there's an awful lot of space in there for someone wanting to jump up. I don't see any of those guys taking a qb round 1.

8. Cleveland Browns (3-13)
9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (6-10)
10. New York Giants (6-10)
11. Chicago Bears (6-10)
12. New Orleans Saints (7-9)
13. Miami Dolphins (6-10)
14. Oakland Raiders (7-9)
15. Tennessee Titans (3-13)
16. Detroit Lions (7-9)
17. Atlanta Falcons (8-8)
18. Indianapolis Colts (8-8)
19. Buffalo Bills (8-8)
20. New York Jets (10-6)

Of course, NY/BUF could come up...

Thanks for the correction. Looks like he's very much still in play...although I dunno if at 8....

What do people think of Vernon Adams?

He has some Russell Wilson to his game. Smallish hands, but they're bigger than Goff's.

He has some Russell Wilson in that he can throw on the run and has a strong arm and is short, but the experience base coming into the NFL is completely different. Pure shotgun / spread at EWU and then one year in Oregon's system is a lot different than three years of starting experience in WCO from two different schools with two different sets of terminologies.

I think using Wilson as a standard for Adams would be unfair.