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I would take Bosa over Buckner. The latter is the guy that I think is vastly overrated.

I think Dallas will take Bosa at 4, though.

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It sounds like the Cowboys are picking between Ramsey and Elliott.

That is my understanding at this moment. Tough choice - Elliott behind that Oline...wow.

Bosa is not even close to being a first rounder?

LOL

Going in the bottom half of the first round generally mean that you are going to a much better team.. How have we done when we moved back into the 20s? in which case I refer you to the post I made in the thread on why our draft picks never seem to meet expectations..

Who has the better chance of succeeding, the 3rd best LB in the draft going to the Patriots or the best LB in the draft going to the Jaguars? But if you are the Jaguars (or the Browns) you still have to keep finding that guy.

I'm talking talent, obviously. Of course he seems like a 1st round lock. That was the whole point, you know...

and that was my point, I'm not trying to be a jerk I'm seriously asking, you genuinely believe that Bosa is not a 1st round talent?

Bosa is the number 1 edge rusher in this year's draft. Anyone that watches 2 or 3 games of him and says he's not even a 1st rounder must quit their job immediately and apply for a GM job because I'm pretty sure all 32 NFL scouts and GMs have him ranked in their top 10 of players in this year's draft. Nobody else in this year's draft has the size, speed, athleticism, can pass rush and defends the run, he is a complete player. He has speed to get around the edge, he has the power to bull rush, he's the best DL using his HANDS to shed blocks and he is not a one trick pony like a Kam Wimbley, Bosa has multiple moves and technique to rush the passer.

I've watched every single OSU game and Bosa dominated most OL, this past year he was often double and triple teamed on almost every play. This past year I saw him take out at 4-5 QBs on sacks and hits on the QB. Bosa is exactly what this DEF needs. I don't know if he'll be a JJ Watt 15+ sacks a year player but he'll be a 10+ sack guy for the next 8-10 years and he'll defend the run and set the edge as well as anyone. If he's there at 8 the Browns better draft him.

Maybe I should, lol (only for you EO)

From March 2013, discussing Dion Jordan (that's his name, ended up picked 3rd I think) vs Ansah:

"Btw in general, you just CANT call Ansah raw and want us to draft Jordan at the same time....the "hype" and "Mamula" guy in this draft is Dion Jordan imho, I saw nothing but projection on tape, he was as "meh" as there is out there. Ansah EASILY had the highest motor/hustle of all the rushers, maybe Moore came close and Ansah was BY FAR the best against the run. He's raw using his hands as a rusher, but has shown to be coachable...as I said, he's the definition of "hybrid" and has a crazy ceiling once his technique gets anywhere close to his athleticism...and his floor is still very high thanks to his motor/run defending. This dude can start day 1 and freelance around your front 7"

or even earlier in February:

"Maybe I watched the wrong games, but I wasn't impressed by his play, it was "meh" across the board for me."

If a talent of Bosa's level is there, I gotta take him. I still would trade back to get my receiver if Bosa or Elliot aren't there. It makes no sense not to trade down if the guy you want is going to be there.

While I am certainly not an expert, but it sure looks like a very flat draft to me. Now a team may want to make a move, like the Rams and Eagles did, for a specific player, but for a team like the Browns, that needs help almost everywhere, I think that adding as many 2nd-3rd round picks as possible is the way to go.

I really see us with 8 picks in the top 100, and with additional picks future picks when this draft ends.

And once again, we'll be left w/a bunch of "guys" instead of impact players.

Difference makers can be found outside of the top 10, and players inside the top 10 can bust. Lord knows we have found enough of those top guys who never accomplish anything.

I do think that we need to add as much talent to this team as possible, so that the talent we have can have talent around them. This team is sorely lacking in talent. We have a dearth of talent. If we bring in one somewhat more talented player, or 2 or 3 talented players, but maybe not quite at the same potential level as that one player, I think that we'll be further ahead.

Plus, we have a new team in charge of this draft. Having as many picks as possible gives them more chances to get picks right. If they make a huge mistake with one pick, and hit on 2 others, then we're good. If we stay with one pick, and blow it, then we're screwed. Again.

Also, I don't see that enormous drop off from maybe 5-7 and the rest of the 1st. I see a lot of players who would be great fits on the Browns.

I would think you'd want another trade down or two, if you like guys like Spence and Nkemdiche.

You can get impact players at any draft spot.

Phil Taylor agrees w/you.

We have already traded down once.

If an impact player is available at 8 and we trade down again......I'll be furious.

However, if one is not available, I am good w/trading down again, but not a lot and not a bunch of times like some are suggesting.

And let's say they pull off that trade with the Titans and get that extra 2nd rounder.

#15 Treadwell
#32 Spence
#33 Nkemdiche

Still unhappy?

No, that would make me very happy.

In 2011, JJ Watt was the 11th pick.

In 2012, who would you rather have had, long term .... Trent Richardson (#3) or Doug Martin? (#31)

In 2013, Barkevious Mingo at #6, or Tyler Eifert at 21 or DeAndre Hopkins at 27?

I mean, just taking a player high in the draft is no guarantee of long tern success. This draft appears to have a lot of talent from #10 overall or so, through the end of the 2nd (and maybe beyond) who will be solid to above average starters, and there will be some superstars in there as well.

Now I am not advocating trading down till we own the 4th round, or anything dumb like that, but maximizing the 2nd and 3rd rounds could wind up being very good for the Browns.

Thought it would.

I've spent the past hours watching several top 15 ranked players and I've come to the conclusion that this is a VERY weak draft at the top, apparently. Flat out hated what I saw from Bosa, Darron Lee and P.Lynch and wasn't impressed by Hargreaves. Zeke was really good though. Rare RB that is worth a top 10 pick, easily top 5 talent in this draft.

There HAVE TO be better players in the top 100. I haven't seen them, but they are available every draft usually in that range.

So, in a way I understand the trade down, it was good compensation hard to pass up. BUT, if Wentz was there at 2, I think it was a mistake.

Also, loading up on ammunition (picks) to do some damage and potentially get your QB next year is a plan I can get on board with.

If you know that your QB isn't there this year, you prepare for the potential that he's in next year's draft.

Different strokes for different folks.

I think you win in this league w/impact players at the most important positions. You can always get "guys."

I noticed no one responded to the chart about the highest paid positions in the NFL on the thread I started about Impact Players. Gee, I wonder why certain positions are paid more money than others?

Did he even play the first half before he got kicked out of this game?

LOL, that's right. He was kicked out in the first quarter.

You and I are kind of saying the same thing. QB is the most critical, and you don't like the ones this year, improve your chances of getting him next year, if he's out there.

That explains why it was only a 4min cutup. But I get why he got frustrated, he sucked....again.

j/c:

I guess Bosa isn't as bad as some of you thought. He was number 1 on many boards for a long time, you know, when they were actually playing games.

Same result every year.
Management doesnt want to pay guys.
They would rather just field a team of junk,and expect us to support the team.
We never draft top name players.
Bosa and Elliot will be hall of famers,and Cleveland will continue,to be a joke.
Sad.

Same with Goff.

Same with Jamarcus Russell

just like we did with RG3

No, he literally means "for free". Russell has said that he will play for $0 fr 2016 in order to prove himself.