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Can it really be worse than what the football guys got for us the last two drafts? A lot of people on here say that. I don't get it. If I go to a doctor about my back pain and he can't fix the problem, I do not go to a plumber to fix my back. I try another doctor. Then again the definition of crazy is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We're at least trying something different, success is never guaranteed but since it's not been done at least it has the advantage of being a fresh approach.
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True. And we gotta admit that they rocked it during free agency.
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They certainly rocked it with the trade down to 8.
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Trade was good. Picks are ???.
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My top 8 are:
Jared Goff - QB
Carson Wentz -QB
Ezekiel Elliot - RB
LaQuan Treadwell - WR
DeForest Buckner - DE
Joey Bosa - DE
Myles Jack - LB
Jalen Ramsey - CB
If the Browns end up with one of those 8 I will be really excited.
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I love the trade, but if Wentz studs out and the Browns keep trading down and get a bunch of guys and no impact players..........well, let's just say people will lose their jobs.
Also, I think it is easier for these "smart" guys to play w/numbers, make trades, etc than it is for them to identify talent.
I hope they rock it tonight. They could. They might not. We'll see.
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At pick #8:
(1) Bosa
(2) Tunsil, Stanley
(3) Ramsey
(4) D. Buckner
(5) Zeke After some more thought even though I think he'll be gone and I'm only teasing myself I'm moving Ramsey up. (1) Bosa (2) Ramsey (3)Buckner (3) Hargreaves-maybe I'm reaching here but positional value and team specific benefit with Haden's health and possible decline and if Haden does return to his old self then the secondary could be really good and allow Horton to really dial up some pressures (3) Zeke-I'm torn...special talent... (6) Tunsil/Stanley LT has higher positional value but these guys won't be LT right away AND the OT is depth is better then the CB depth
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...Also, I think it is easier for these "smart" guys to play w/numbers, make trades, etc than it is for them to identify talent.
I hope they rock it tonight. They could. They might not. We'll see. I guess people exclude analytics from scouting. I think people would be surprised at the type of advance metrics NFL teams use and want. A friend of the family coaches in the NFL and sometimes we talk about DBs. He talked about the merge of analytics with grading film to isolate specific traits/tendencies e.g. assignment tendencies, pursuit angle consistency, tackling type pop, drag, textbook, brings arms etc. They quantify traits/tendencies that used to be anecdotal. So when I think of Depodesta's role its to identify areas where analytics could be applied and prove useful data. That's what I think he means by 'examining processes'
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I think analytics can help by pointing out things to 'look at'. I'm not so certain analytics can evaluate a player 'by the numbers'. There are just so many variables that I don't think anyone will ever be able to develop a formula that will include them all. Analytics can point out when a player's numbers really stand-out in a certain aspect prompting closer film study on that aspect. But there is no substitute for watching film.
It's the same reason that stats have limited value as they are only facts, they tell you what happened. They do not tell you 'how' they became facts. It's the 'how' that matters most.
I think analytics can be of great help in making business decisions and tracking the effectiveness of processes. But for player evaluation? Nah.
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Just to be clear im not saying analytics can replace scouting. I'm saying analytics can/do already are make scouting better and film study better.
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No.15
William Jackson CB
Sheldon Rankins DL
Shaq Lawson Edge Rusher
Josh Doctsun WR
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Shaq Lawson Edge Rusher
Josh Doctsun WR
Laremy Tunsil OT
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William Jackson CB
Shaq Lawson Edge Rusher
Josh Doctsun WR
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Overall PLAYER POS. SCHOOL
1 Laquon Treadwell WR Ole Miss
2 Robert Nkemdiche DE Ole Miss
3 Noah Spence OLB Eastern Kentucky
4 Laremy Tunsil OT Ole Miss
5 Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame
6 Josh Doctson WR TCU
7 Vernon Hargreaves III CB Florida
8 Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson
9 Jalen Ramsey S Florida State
10 Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State
11 A'Shawn Robinson DE Alabama
12 Chris Jones DE Mississippi State
13 Sheldon Rankins NT Louisville
14 Vernon Butler NT Louisiana Tech
15 Corey Coleman WR Baylor
16 Jack Conklin OT Michigan State
17 Jason Spriggs OT Indiana
18 DeForest Buckner DE Oregon
19 Jarran Reed DE Alabama
20 Vonn Bell S Ohio State
21 Shaq Lawson OLB Clemson
22 Andrew Billings NT Baylor
23 Derrick Henry RB Alabama
24 Myles Jack ILB UCLA
25 Taylor Decker OT Ohio State
26 Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Oklahoma State
27 Eli Apple CB Ohio State
28 Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma
29 Carl Nassib OLB Penn State
30 Karl Joseph S West Virginia
31 Cardale Jones QB Ohio State
32 Cyrus Jones CB Alabama
33 William Jackson III CB Houston
34 Ryan Kelly C Alabama
35 Kamalei Correa OLB Boise State
36 Victor Ochi OLB Stony Brook
37 Braxton Miller WR Ohio State
38 Shon Coleman OT Auburn
39 Hunter Henry TE Arkansas
40 C.J. Prosise RB Notre Dame
41 Caleb Benenoch OT UCLA
42 Kenny Clark NT UCLA
43 Kenneth Dixon RB Louisiana Tech
44 Jonathan Bullard DE Florida
45 Keanu Neal S Florida
46 Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh
47 Jaylon Smith ILB Notre Dame
48 KJ Dillon S West Virginia
49 Kendall Fuller CB Virginia Tech
50 Germain Ifedi OT Texas A&M
51 Alex McCalister OLB Florida
52 Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
53 Will Fuller WR Notre Dame
54 Pharoh Cooper WR South Carolina
55 Michael Thomas WR Ohio State
56 Alex Collins RB Arkansas
57 Jeremy Cash S Duke
58 Brandon Shell OT South Carolina
59 Austin Hooper TE Stanford
60 Cody Whitehair OG Kansas State
61 Joshua Garnett OG Stanford
62 Sean Davis S Maryland
63 Jerell Adams TE South Carolina
64 Nick Martin C Notre Dame
65 Austin Johnson DE Penn State
66 Antonio Morrison ILB Florida
67 Xavien Howard CB Baylor
68 Jihad Ward DE Illinois
69 Eric Murray CB Minnesota
70 Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
71 Tyrone Holmes OLB Montana
72 Willie Henry NT Michigan
73 Christian Westerman OG Arizona State
74 Joe Thuney OG NC State
75 Trevon Stewart S Houston
76 Jamie Byrd S South Florida
77 Devin Lucien WR Arizona State
78 Tyler Higbee TE Western Kentucky
79 Leonte Carroo WR Rutgers
80 KeiVarae Russell CB Notre Dame
81 Adolphus Washington DE Ohio State
82 Hassan Ridgeway DE Texas
83 Jonathan Jones CB Auburn
84 Jack Allen C Michigan State
85 Paul Perkins RB UCLA
86 Steven Daniels ILB Boston College
87 Kyler Fackrell OLB Utah State
88 Shilique Calhoun OLB Michigan State
89 Brandon Doughty QB Western Kentucky
90 Brandon Allen QB Arkansas
91 Kyle Murphy OT Stanford
92 Joe Haeg OT North Dakota State
93 Matt Ioannidis DE Temple
94 Artie Burns CB Miami (Fla.)
95 Kalan Reed CB Southern Mississippi
96 B.J. Goodson ILB Clemson
97 Blake Martinez ILB Stanford
98 Adam Gotsis DE Georgia Tech
99 Javon Hargrave NT South Carolina State
100 Jordan Jenkins OLB Georgia
101 Yannick Ngakoue OLB Maryland
102 James Cowser OLB Southern Utah
103 Connor Cook QB Michigan State
104 Kenyan Drake RB Alabama
105 Justin Simmons S Boston College
106 Nick Vannett TE Ohio State
107 Jordan Payton WR UCLA
108 Max Tuerk C Southern California
109 Maliek Collins NT Nebraska
110 Fahn Cooper OT Ole Miss
111 Kevin Hogan QB Stanford
112 Aaron Green RB TCU
113 DeAndre Washington RB Texas Tech
114 Darian Thompson S Boise State
115 Mitch Smothers C Arkansas
116 Joe Schobert ILB Wisconsin
117 Nick Kwiatkoski ILB West Virginia
118 Jayron Kearse S Clemson
119 Jalen Mills CB LSU
120 D.J. White CB Georgia Tech
121 Tavon Young CB Temple
122 Scooby Wright III ILB Arizona
123 Antwaun Woods NT Southern California
124 Mike Bercovici QB Arizona State
125 Roberto Aguayo K Florida State
126 Jacoby Brissett QB NC State
127 Tyvis Powell S Ohio State
128 Charone Peake WR Clemson
129 Malcolm Mitchell WR Georgia
130 Demarcus Robinson WR Florida
131 Roger Lewis WR Bowling Green
132 Charles Tapper OLB Oklahoma
133 Aaron Wallace OLB UCLA
134 Jimmy Bean OLB Oklahoma State
135 Nick Vigil ILB Utah State
136 Bronson Kaufusi DE Brigham Young
137 Will Redmond CB Mississippi State
138 Glenn Gronkowski FB Kansas State
139 Derek Watt FB Wisconsin
140 Joshua Perry ILB Ohio State
141 Vadal Alexander OG LSU
142 Dean Lowry DE Northwestern
143 David Onyemata DE Manitoba
144 Drew Ott OLB Iowa
145 Terrance Smith ILB Florida State
146 Beniquez Brown ILB Mississippi State
147 Vontarrius Dora OLB Louisiana Tech
148 Alex Lewis OT Nebraska
149 John Theus OT Georgia
150 Peyton Barber RB Auburn
151 Daniel Braverman WR Western Michigan
152 Jake McGee TE Florida
153 DeAndre Houston-Carson S William & Mary
154 Miles Killebrew S Southern Utah
155 Michael Caputo S Wisconsin
156 Mitch Mathews WR Brigham Young
157 Demarcus Ayers WR Houston
158 Connor McGovern OG Missouri
159 D.J. Reader NT Clemson
160 Justin Zimmer NT Ferris State
161 Keith Marshall RB Georgia
162 Nelson Spruce WR Colorado
163 Cody Core WR Ole Miss
164 Jonathan Williams RB Arkansas
165 Willie Beavers OT Western Michigan
166 Isaac Seumalo OG Oregon State
167 Joe Dahl OG Washington State
168 Wayne Lyons CB Michigan
169 Evan Boehm C Missouri
170 Blake Countess CB Auburn
171 De'Vante Harris CB Texas A&M
172 Alex Huettel C Bowling Green
173 Darius Latham DE Indiana
174 Shawn Oakman DE Baylor
175 Anthony Zettel DE Penn State
176 Lawrence Thomas DE Michigan State
177 Will Ratelle ILB North Dakota
178 Jared Norris ILB Utah
179 Brandon Chubb ILB Wake Forest
180 Josh Forrest ILB Kentucky
181 Ka'imi Fairbairn K UCLA
182 Jaden Oberkrom K TCU
183 Graham Glasgow OG Michigan
184 Landon Turner OG North Carolina
185 Alex Redmond OG UCLA
186 Sebastian Tretola OG Arkansas
187 Le'Raven Clark OT Texas Tech
188 Nate Sudfeld QB Indiana
189 Vernon Adams Jr. QB Oregon
190 Bralon Addison WR Oregon
191 Jalin Marshall WR Ohio State
192 Tyler Ervin RB San Jose State
193 Kolby Listenbee WR TCU
194 Byron Marshall WR Oregon
195 Morgan Burns CB Kansas State
196 Soma Vainuku FB Southern California
197 Kody Walker FB Arkansas
198 Quayvon Hicks FB Georgia
199 Luke Rhodes ILB William & Mary
200 Denver Kirkland OG Arkansas
201 Rees Odhiambo OG Boise State
202 Rashard Higgins WR Colorado State
203 Dak Prescott QB Mississippi State
204 Greg Milhouse Jr. NT Campbell
205 Matt Johnson QB Bowling Green
206 Bryce Williams TE East Carolina
207 Wendell Smallwood RB West Virginia
208 Mose Frazier WR Memphis
209 DeAndre Reaves WR Marshall
210 Stephen Weatherly OLB Vanderbilt
211 Travis Greene RB Bowling Green
212 Dadi Lhomme Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech
213 Terrell Lathan DE TCU
214 Quinton Jefferson DE Maryland
215 Cassanova McKinzy ILB Auburn
216 Nile Lawrence-Stample NT Florida State
217 Keyarris Garrett WR Tulsa
218 Devon Cajuste WR Stanford
219 Jerald Hawkins OT LSU
220 Avery Young OT Auburn
221 Trevon Coley NT Florida Atlantic
222 Vincent Valentine NT Nebraska
223 Stephen Anderson FB California
224 Dan Vitale FB Northwestern
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1 34 Ryan Kelly C Alabama
2 64 Nick Martin C Notre Dame
3 84 Jack Allen C Michigan State
4 108 Max Tuerk C Southern California
5 115 Mitch Smothers C Arkansas
6 169 Evan Boehm C Missouri
7 172 Alex Huettel C Bowling Green
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1 7 Vernon Hargreaves III CB Florida
2 8 Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson
3 27 Eli Apple CB Ohio State
4 32 Cyrus Jones CB Alabama
5 33 William Jackson III CB Houston
6 49 Kendall Fuller CB Virginia Tech
7 67 Xavien Howard CB Baylor
8 69 Eric Murray CB Minnesota
9 80 KeiVarae Russell CB Notre Dame
10 83 Jonathan Jones CB Auburn
11 94 Artie Burns CB Miami (Fla.)
12 95 Kalan Reed CB Southern Mississippi
13 119 Jalen Mills CB LSU
14 120 D.J. White CB Georgia Tech
15 121 Tavon Young CB Temple
16 137 Will Redmond CB Mississippi State
17 168 Wayne Lyons CB Michigan
18 170 Blake Countess CB Auburn
19 171 De'Vante Harris CB Texas A&M
20 195 Morgan Burns CB Kansas State
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1 2 Robert Nkemdiche DE Ole Miss
2 11 A'Shawn Robinson DE Alabama
3 12 Chris Jones DE Mississippi State
4 18 DeForest Buckner DE Oregon
5 19 Jarran Reed DE Alabama
6 44 Jonathan Bullard DE Florida
7 65 Austin Johnson DE Penn State
8 68 Jihad Ward DE Illinois
9 81 Adolphus Washington DE Ohio State
10 82 Hassan Ridgeway DE Texas
11 93 Matt Ioannidis DE Temple
12 98 Adam Gotsis DE Georgia Tech
13 136 Bronson Kaufusi DE Brigham Young
14 142 Dean Lowry DE Northwestern
15 143 David Onyemata DE Manitoba
16 173 Darius Latham DE Indiana
17 174 Shawn Oakman DE Baylor
18 175 Anthony Zettel DE Penn State
19 176 Lawrence Thomas DE Michigan State
20 213 Terrell Lathan DE TCU
21 214 Quinton Jefferson DE Maryland
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1 138 Glenn Gronkowski FB Kansas State
2 139 Derek Watt FB Wisconsin
3 196 Soma Vainuku FB Southern California
4 197 Kody Walker FB Arkansas
5 198 Quayvon Hicks FB Georgia
6 223 Stephen Anderson FB California
7 224 Dan Vitale FB Northwestern
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1 24 Myles Jack ILB UCLA
2 47 Jaylon Smith ILB Notre Dame
3 66 Antonio Morrison ILB Florida
4 70 Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
5 86 Steven Daniels ILB Boston College
6 96 B.J. Goodson ILB Clemson
7 97 Blake Martinez ILB Stanford
8 116 Joe Schobert ILB Wisconsin
9 117 Nick Kwiatkoski ILB West Virginia
10 122 Scooby Wright III ILB Arizona
11 135 Nick Vigil ILB Utah State
12 140 Joshua Perry ILB Ohio State
13 145 Terrance Smith ILB Florida State
14 146 Beniquez Brown ILB Mississippi State
15 177 Will Ratelle ILB North Dakota
16 178 Jared Norris ILB Utah
17 179 Brandon Chubb ILB Wake Forest
18 180 Josh Forrest ILB Kentucky
19 199 Luke Rhodes ILB William & Mary
20 215 Cassanova McKinzy ILB Auburn
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1 125 Roberto Aguayo K Florida State
2 181 Ka'imi Fairbairn K UCLA
3 182 Jaden Oberkrom K TCU
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1 13 Sheldon Rankins NT Louisville
2 14 Vernon Butler NT Louisiana Tech
3 22 Andrew Billings NT Baylor
4 42 Kenny Clark NT UCLA
5 72 Willie Henry NT Michigan
6 99 Javon Hargrave NT South Carolina State
7 109 Maliek Collins NT Nebraska
8 123 Antwaun Woods NT Southern California
9 159 D.J. Reader NT Clemson
10 160 Justin Zimmer NT Ferris State
11 204 Greg Milhouse Jr. NT Campbell
12 216 Nile Lawrence-Stample NT Florida State
13 221 Trevon Coley NT Florida Atlantic
14 222 Vincent Valentine NT Nebraska
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1 60 Cody Whitehair OG Kansas State
2 61 Joshua Garnett OG Stanford
3 73 Christian Westerman OG Arizona State
4 74 Joe Thuney OG NC State
5 141 Vadal Alexander OG LSU
6 158 Connor McGovern OG Missouri
7 166 Isaac Seumalo OG Oregon State
8 167 Joe Dahl OG Washington State
9 183 Graham Glasgow OG Michigan
10 184 Landon Turner OG North Carolina
11 185 Alex Redmond OG UCLA
12 186 Sebastian Tretola OG Arkansas
13 200 Denver Kirkland OG Arkansas
14 201 Rees Odhiambo OG Boise State
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1 3 Noah Spence OLB Eastern Kentucky
2 21 Shaq Lawson OLB Clemson
3 26 Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Oklahoma State
4 29 Carl Nassib OLB Penn State
5 35 Kamalei Correa OLB Boise State
6 36 Victor Ochi OLB Stony Brook
7 51 Alex McCalister OLB Florida
8 52 Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
9 71 Tyrone Holmes OLB Montana
10 87 Kyler Fackrell OLB Utah State
11 88 Shilique Calhoun OLB Michigan State
12 100 Jordan Jenkins OLB Georgia
13 101 Yannick Ngakoue OLB Maryland
14 102 James Cowser OLB Southern Utah
15 132 Charles Tapper OLB Oklahoma
16 133 Aaron Wallace OLB UCLA
17 134 Jimmy Bean OLB Oklahoma State
18 144 Drew Ott OLB Iowa
19 147 Vontarrius Dora OLB Louisiana Tech
20 210 Stephen Weatherly OLB Vanderbilt
21 212 Dadi Lhomme Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech
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1 4 Laremy Tunsil OT Ole Miss
2 5 Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame
3 16 Jack Conklin OT Michigan State
4 17 Jason Spriggs OT Indiana
5 25 Taylor Decker OT Ohio State
6 38 Shon Coleman OT Auburn
7 41 Caleb Benenoch OT UCLA
8 50 Germain Ifedi OT Texas A&M
9 58 Brandon Shell OT South Carolina
10 91 Kyle Murphy OT Stanford
11 92 Joe Haeg OT North Dakota State
12 110 Fahn Cooper OT Ole Miss
13 148 Alex Lewis OT Nebraska
14 149 John Theus OT Georgia
15 165 Willie Beavers OT Western Michigan
16 187 Le'Raven Clark OT Texas Tech
17 219 Jerald Hawkins OT LSU
18 220 Avery Young OT Auburn
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1 31 Cardale Jones QB Ohio State
2 89 Brandon Doughty QB Western Kentucky
3 90 Brandon Allen QB Arkansas
4 103 Connor Cook QB Michigan State
5 111 Kevin Hogan QB Stanford
6 124 Mike Bercovici QB Arizona State
7 126 Jacoby Brissett QB NC State
8 188 Nate Sudfeld QB Indiana
9 189 Vernon Adams Jr. QB Oregon
10 203 Dak Prescott QB Mississippi State
11 205 Matt Johnson QB Bowling Green
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1 10 Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State
2 23 Derrick Henry RB Alabama
3 40 C.J. Prosise RB Notre Dame
4 43 Kenneth Dixon RB Louisiana Tech
5 56 Alex Collins RB Arkansas
6 85 Paul Perkins RB UCLA
7 104 Kenyan Drake RB Alabama
8 112 Aaron Green RB TCU
9 113 DeAndre Washington RB Texas Tech
10 150 Peyton Barber RB Auburn
11 161 Keith Marshall RB Georgia
12 164 Jonathan Williams RB Arkansas
13 192 Tyler Ervin RB San Jose State
14 207 Wendell Smallwood RB West Virginia
15 211 Travis Greene RB Bowling Green
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1 9 Jalen Ramsey S Florida State
2 20 Vonn Bell S Ohio State
3 30 Karl Joseph S West Virginia
4 45 Keanu Neal S Florida
7 48 KJ Dillon S West Virginia
5 57 Jeremy Cash S Duke
6 62 Sean Davis S Maryland
8 75 Trevon Stewart S Houston
9 76 Jamie Byrd S South Florida
10 105 Justin Simmons S Boston College
11 114 Darian Thompson S Boise State
12 118 Jayron Kearse S Clemson
13 127 Tyvis Powell S Ohio State
14 153 DeAndre Houston-Carson S William & Mary
15 154 Miles Killebrew S Southern Utah
16 155 Michael Caputo S Wisconsin
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1 39 Hunter Henry TE Arkansas
2 59 Austin Hooper TE Stanford
3 63 Jerell Adams TE South Carolina
4 78 Tyler Higbee TE Western Kentucky
5 106 Nick Vannett TE Ohio State
6 152 Jake McGee TE Florida
7 206 Bryce Williams TE East Carolina
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1 1 Laquon Treadwell WR Ole Miss
2 6 Josh Doctson WR TCU
3 15 Corey Coleman WR Baylor
4 28 Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma
5 37 Braxton Miller WR Ohio State
6 46 Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh
7 53 Will Fuller WR Notre Dame
8 54 Pharoh Cooper WR South Carolina
9 55 Michael Thomas WR Ohio State
10 77 Devin Lucien WR Arizona State
11 79 Leonte Carroo WR Rutgers
12 107 Jordan Payton WR UCLA
13 128 Charone Peake WR Clemson
14 129 Malcolm Mitchell WR Georgia
15 130 Demarcus Robinson WR Florida
16 131 Roger Lewis WR Bowling Green
17 151 Daniel Braverman WR Western Michigan
18 156 Mitch Mathews WR Brigham Young
19 157 Demarcus Ayers WR Houston
20 162 Nelson Spruce WR Colorado
21 163 Cody Core WR Ole Miss
22 190 Bralon Addison WR Oregon
23 191 Jalin Marshall WR Ohio State
24 193 Kolby Listenbee WR TCU
25 194 Byron Marshall WR Oregon
26 202 Rashard Higgins WR Colorado State
27 208 Mose Frazier WR Memphis
28 209 DeAndre Reaves WR Marshall
29 217 Keyarris Garrett WR Tulsa
30 218 Devon Cajuste WR Stanford
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Eli Apple's off the board too. (still on your list)
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Pick 32: Trade down?
Designated pass rusher 1 (RDE/ROLB) = Emmanuel Ogbah, Shaq Lawson, Noah Spence, Kevin Dodd
Left cornerback = Rumors have Mac Alexander falling even though I don't believe it.
If pass rushers above are gone I hope some staffer sprints to the podium to turn in the card that say Mackenzie Alexander CB Clemson
Defensive tackle = Jonathan Bullard one of the last of the 5-tech DE/3-tech DL that can provide interior pressure, Kenny Clark, Chris Jones
Tight End = Hunter Henry
Free Safety = Kevin Byard
ILB = Miles Jack
Right tackle = Jason Spriggs, German Ifedi
Wide receiver 1 = Michael Thomas, Tyler Boyd
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1 Laquon Treadwell WR Ole Miss
2 Robert Nkemdiche DE Ole Miss
3 Noah Spence OLB Eastern Kentucky
4 Laremy Tunsil OT Ole Miss
5 Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame
6 Josh Doctson WR TCU
7 Vernon Hargreaves III CB Florida
8 Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson
9 Jalen Ramsey S Florida State
10 Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State
11 A'Shawn Robinson DE Alabama
12 Chris Jones DE Mississippi State
13 Sheldon Rankins NT Louisville
14 Vernon Butler NT Louisiana Tech
15 Corey Coleman WR Baylor
16 Jack Conklin OT Michigan State
17 Jason Spriggs OT Indiana
18 DeForest Buckner DE Oregon
19 Jarran Reed DE Alabama
20 Vonn Bell S Ohio State
21 Shaq Lawson OLB Clemson
22 Andrew Billings NT Baylor
23 Derrick Henry RB Alabama
24 Myles Jack ILB UCLA
25 Taylor Decker OT Ohio State
26 Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Oklahoma State
27 Eli Apple CB Ohio State
28 Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma
29 Carl Nassib OLB Penn State
30 Karl Joseph S West Virginia
31 Cardale Jones QB Ohio State
32 Cyrus Jones CB Alabama
33 William Jackson III CB Houston
34 Ryan Kelly C Alabama
35 Kamalei Correa OLB Boise State
36 Victor Ochi OLB Stony Brook
37 Braxton Miller WR Ohio State
38 Shon Coleman OT Auburn
39 Hunter Henry TE Arkansas
40 C.J. Prosise RB Notre Dame
41 Caleb Benenoch OT UCLA
42 Kenny Clark NT UCLA
43 Kenneth Dixon RB Louisiana Tech
44 Jonathan Bullard DE Florida
45 Keanu Neal S Florida
46 Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh
47 Jaylon Smith ILB Notre Dame
48 KJ Dillon S West Virginia
49 Kendall Fuller CB Virginia Tech
50 Germain Ifedi OT Texas A&M
51 Alex McCalister OLB Florida
52 Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
53 Will Fuller WR Notre Dame
54 Pharoh Cooper WR South Carolina
55 Michael Thomas WR Ohio State
56 Alex Collins RB Arkansas
57 Jeremy Cash S Duke
58 Brandon Shell OT South Carolina
59 Austin Hooper TE Stanford
60 Cody Whitehair OG Kansas State
61 Joshua Garnett OG Stanford
62 Sean Davis S Maryland
63 Jerell Adams TE South Carolina
64 Nick Martin C Notre Dame
65 Austin Johnson DE Penn State
66 Antonio Morrison ILB Florida
67 Xavien Howard CB Baylor
68 Jihad Ward DE Illinois
69 Eric Murray CB Minnesota
70 Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
71 Tyrone Holmes OLB Montana
72 Willie Henry NT Michigan
73 Christian Westerman OG Arizona State
74 Joe Thuney OG NC State
75 Trevon Stewart S Houston
76 Jamie Byrd S South Florida
77 Devin Lucien WR Arizona State
78 Tyler Higbee TE Western Kentucky
79 Leonte Carroo WR Rutgers
80 KeiVarae Russell CB Notre Dame
81 Adolphus Washington DE Ohio State
82 Hassan Ridgeway DE Texas
83 Jonathan Jones CB Auburn
84 Jack Allen C Michigan State
85 Paul Perkins RB UCLA
86 Steven Daniels ILB Boston College
87 Kyler Fackrell OLB Utah State
88 Shilique Calhoun OLB Michigan State
89 Brandon Doughty QB Western Kentucky
90 Brandon Allen QB Arkansas
91 Kyle Murphy OT Stanford
92 Joe Haeg OT North Dakota State
93 Matt Ioannidis DE Temple
94 Artie Burns CB Miami (Fla.)
95 Kalan Reed CB Southern Mississippi
96 B.J. Goodson ILB Clemson
97 Blake Martinez ILB Stanford
98 Adam Gotsis DE Georgia Tech
99 Javon Hargrave NT South Carolina State
100 Jordan Jenkins OLB Georgia
101 Yannick Ngakoue OLB Maryland
102 James Cowser OLB Southern Utah
103 Connor Cook QB Michigan State
104 Kenyan Drake RB Alabama
105 Justin Simmons S Boston College
106 Nick Vannett TE Ohio State
107 Jordan Payton WR UCLA
108 Max Tuerk C Southern California
109 Maliek Collins NT Nebraska
110 Fahn Cooper OT Ole Miss
111 Kevin Hogan QB Stanford
112 Aaron Green RB TCU
113 DeAndre Washington RB Texas Tech
114 Darian Thompson S Boise State
115 Mitch Smothers C Arkansas
116 Joe Schobert ILB Wisconsin
117 Nick Kwiatkoski ILB West Virginia
118 Jayron Kearse S Clemson
119 Jalen Mills CB LSU
120 D.J. White CB Georgia Tech
121 Tavon Young CB Temple
122 Scooby Wright III ILB Arizona
123 Antwaun Woods NT Southern California
124 Mike Bercovici QB Arizona State
125 Roberto Aguayo K Florida State
126 Jacoby Brissett QB NC State
127 Tyvis Powell S Ohio State
128 Charone Peake WR Clemson
129 Malcolm Mitchell WR Georgia
130 Demarcus Robinson WR Florida
131 Roger Lewis WR Bowling Green
132 Charles Tapper OLB Oklahoma
133 Aaron Wallace OLB UCLA
134 Jimmy Bean OLB Oklahoma State
135 Nick Vigil ILB Utah State
136 Bronson Kaufusi DE Brigham Young
137 Will Redmond CB Mississippi State
138 Glenn Gronkowski FB Kansas State
139 Derek Watt FB Wisconsin
140 Joshua Perry ILB Ohio State
141 Vadal Alexander OG LSU
142 Dean Lowry DE Northwestern
143 David Onyemata DE Manitoba
144 Drew Ott OLB Iowa
145 Terrance Smith ILB Florida State
146 Beniquez Brown ILB Mississippi State
147 Vontarrius Dora OLB Louisiana Tech
148 Alex Lewis OT Nebraska
149 John Theus OT Georgia
150 Peyton Barber RB Auburn
151 Daniel Braverman WR Western Michigan
152 Jake McGee TE Florida
153 DeAndre Houston-Carson S William & Mary
154 Miles Killebrew S Southern Utah
155 Michael Caputo S Wisconsin
156 Mitch Mathews WR Brigham Young
157 Demarcus Ayers WR Houston
158 Connor McGovern OG Missouri
159 D.J. Reader NT Clemson
160 Justin Zimmer NT Ferris State
161 Keith Marshall RB Georgia
162 Nelson Spruce WR Colorado
163 Cody Core WR Ole Miss
164 Jonathan Williams RB Arkansas
165 Willie Beavers OT Western Michigan
166 Isaac Seumalo OG Oregon State
167 Joe Dahl OG Washington State
168 Wayne Lyons CB Michigan
169 Evan Boehm C Missouri
170 Blake Countess CB Auburn
171 De'Vante Harris CB Texas A&M
172 Alex Huettel C Bowling Green
173 Darius Latham DE Indiana
174 Shawn Oakman DE Baylor
175 Anthony Zettel DE Penn State
176 Lawrence Thomas DE Michigan State
177 Will Ratelle ILB North Dakota
178 Jared Norris ILB Utah
179 Brandon Chubb ILB Wake Forest
180 Josh Forrest ILB Kentucky
181 Ka'imi Fairbairn K UCLA
182 Jaden Oberkrom K TCU
183 Graham Glasgow OG Michigan
184 Landon Turner OG North Carolina
185 Alex Redmond OG UCLA
186 Sebastian Tretola OG Arkansas
187 Le'Raven Clark OT Texas Tech
188 Nate Sudfeld QB Indiana
189 Vernon Adams Jr. QB Oregon
190 Bralon Addison WR Oregon
191 Jalin Marshall WR Ohio State
192 Tyler Ervin RB San Jose State
193 Kolby Listenbee WR TCU
194 Byron Marshall WR Oregon
195 Morgan Burns CB Kansas State
196 Soma Vainuku FB Southern California
197 Kody Walker FB Arkansas
198 Quayvon Hicks FB Georgia
199 Luke Rhodes ILB William & Mary
200 Denver Kirkland OG Arkansas
201 Rees Odhiambo OG Boise State
202 Rashard Higgins WR Colorado State
203 Dak Prescott QB Mississippi State
204 Greg Milhouse Jr. NT Campbell
205 Matt Johnson QB Bowling Green
206 Bryce Williams TE East Carolina
207 Wendell Smallwood RB West Virginia
208 Mose Frazier WR Memphis
209 DeAndre Reaves WR Marshall
210 Stephen Weatherly OLB Vanderbilt
211 Travis Greene RB Bowling Green
212 Dadi Lhomme Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech
213 Terrell Lathan DE TCU
214 Quinton Jefferson DE Maryland
215 Cassanova McKinzy ILB Auburn
216 Nile Lawrence-Stample NT Florida State
217 Keyarris Garrett WR Tulsa
218 Devon Cajuste WR Stanford
219 Jerald Hawkins OT LSU
220 Avery Young OT Auburn
221 Trevon Coley NT Florida Atlantic
222 Vincent Valentine NT Nebraska
223 Stephen Anderson FB California
224 Dan Vitale FB Northwestern
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Positional:
POS. RANK Overall PLAYER POS. SCHOOL
1 34 Ryan Kelly C Alabama
2 64 Nick Martin C Notre Dame
3 84 Jack Allen C Michigan State
4 108 Max Tuerk C Southern California
5 115 Mitch Smothers C Arkansas
6 169 Evan Boehm C Missouri
7 172 Alex Huettel C Bowling Green
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1 7 Vernon Hargreaves III CB Florida
2 8 Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson
3 27 Eli Apple CB Ohio State
4 32 Cyrus Jones CB Alabama
5 33 William Jackson III CB Houston
6 49 Kendall Fuller CB Virginia Tech
7 67 Xavien Howard CB Baylor
8 69 Eric Murray CB Minnesota
9 80 KeiVarae Russell CB Notre Dame
10 83 Jonathan Jones CB Auburn
11 94 Artie Burns CB Miami (Fla.)
12 95 Kalan Reed CB Southern Mississippi
13 119 Jalen Mills CB LSU
14 120 D.J. White CB Georgia Tech
15 121 Tavon Young CB Temple
16 137 Will Redmond CB Mississippi State
17 168 Wayne Lyons CB Michigan
18 170 Blake Countess CB Auburn
19 171 De'Vante Harris CB Texas A&M
20 195 Morgan Burns CB Kansas State
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1 2 Robert Nkemdiche DE Ole Miss
2 11 A'Shawn Robinson DE Alabama
3 12 Chris Jones DE Mississippi State
4 18 DeForest Buckner DE Oregon
5 19 Jarran Reed DE Alabama
6 44 Jonathan Bullard DE Florida
7 65 Austin Johnson DE Penn State
8 68 Jihad Ward DE Illinois
9 81 Adolphus Washington DE Ohio State
10 82 Hassan Ridgeway DE Texas
11 93 Matt Ioannidis DE Temple
12 98 Adam Gotsis DE Georgia Tech
13 136 Bronson Kaufusi DE Brigham Young
14 142 Dean Lowry DE Northwestern
15 143 David Onyemata DE Manitoba
16 173 Darius Latham DE Indiana
17 174 Shawn Oakman DE Baylor
18 175 Anthony Zettel DE Penn State
19 176 Lawrence Thomas DE Michigan State
20 213 Terrell Lathan DE TCU
21 214 Quinton Jefferson DE Maryland
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1 138 Glenn Gronkowski FB Kansas State
2 139 Derek Watt FB Wisconsin
3 196 Soma Vainuku FB Southern California
4 197 Kody Walker FB Arkansas
5 198 Quayvon Hicks FB Georgia
6 223 Stephen Anderson FB California
7 224 Dan Vitale FB Northwestern
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1 24 Myles Jack ILB UCLA
2 47 Jaylon Smith ILB Notre Dame
3 66 Antonio Morrison ILB Florida
4 70 Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
5 86 Steven Daniels ILB Boston College
6 96 B.J. Goodson ILB Clemson
7 97 Blake Martinez ILB Stanford
8 116 Joe Schobert ILB Wisconsin
9 117 Nick Kwiatkoski ILB West Virginia
10 122 Scooby Wright III ILB Arizona
11 135 Nick Vigil ILB Utah State
12 140 Joshua Perry ILB Ohio State
13 145 Terrance Smith ILB Florida State
14 146 Beniquez Brown ILB Mississippi State
15 177 Will Ratelle ILB North Dakota
16 178 Jared Norris ILB Utah
17 179 Brandon Chubb ILB Wake Forest
18 180 Josh Forrest ILB Kentucky
19 199 Luke Rhodes ILB William & Mary
20 215 Cassanova McKinzy ILB Auburn
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1 125 Roberto Aguayo K Florida State
2 181 Ka'imi Fairbairn K UCLA
3 182 Jaden Oberkrom K TCU
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1 13 Sheldon Rankins NT Louisville
2 14 Vernon Butler NT Louisiana Tech
3 22 Andrew Billings NT Baylor
4 42 Kenny Clark NT UCLA
5 72 Willie Henry NT Michigan
6 99 Javon Hargrave NT South Carolina State
7 109 Maliek Collins NT Nebraska
8 123 Antwaun Woods NT Southern California
9 159 D.J. Reader NT Clemson
10 160 Justin Zimmer NT Ferris State
11 204 Greg Milhouse Jr. NT Campbell
12 216 Nile Lawrence-Stample NT Florida State
13 221 Trevon Coley NT Florida Atlantic
14 222 Vincent Valentine NT Nebraska
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1 60 Cody Whitehair OG Kansas State
2 61 Joshua Garnett OG Stanford
3 73 Christian Westerman OG Arizona State
4 74 Joe Thuney OG NC State
5 141 Vadal Alexander OG LSU
6 158 Connor McGovern OG Missouri
7 166 Isaac Seumalo OG Oregon State
8 167 Joe Dahl OG Washington State
9 183 Graham Glasgow OG Michigan
10 184 Landon Turner OG North Carolina
11 185 Alex Redmond OG UCLA
12 186 Sebastian Tretola OG Arkansas
13 200 Denver Kirkland OG Arkansas
14 201 Rees Odhiambo OG Boise State
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1 3 Noah Spence OLB Eastern Kentucky
2 21 Shaq Lawson OLB Clemson
3 26 Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Oklahoma State
4 29 Carl Nassib OLB Penn State
5 35 Kamalei Correa OLB Boise State
6 36 Victor Ochi OLB Stony Brook
7 51 Alex McCalister OLB Florida
8 52 Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
9 71 Tyrone Holmes OLB Montana
10 87 Kyler Fackrell OLB Utah State
11 88 Shilique Calhoun OLB Michigan State
12 100 Jordan Jenkins OLB Georgia
13 101 Yannick Ngakoue OLB Maryland
14 102 James Cowser OLB Southern Utah
15 132 Charles Tapper OLB Oklahoma
16 133 Aaron Wallace OLB UCLA
17 134 Jimmy Bean OLB Oklahoma State
18 144 Drew Ott OLB Iowa
19 147 Vontarrius Dora OLB Louisiana Tech
20 210 Stephen Weatherly OLB Vanderbilt
21 212 Dadi Lhomme Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech
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1 4 Laremy Tunsil OT Ole Miss
2 5 Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame
3 16 Jack Conklin OT Michigan State
4 17 Jason Spriggs OT Indiana
5 25 Taylor Decker OT Ohio State
6 38 Shon Coleman OT Auburn
7 41 Caleb Benenoch OT UCLA
8 50 Germain Ifedi OT Texas A&M
9 58 Brandon Shell OT South Carolina
10 91 Kyle Murphy OT Stanford
11 92 Joe Haeg OT North Dakota State
12 110 Fahn Cooper OT Ole Miss
13 148 Alex Lewis OT Nebraska
14 149 John Theus OT Georgia
15 165 Willie Beavers OT Western Michigan
16 187 Le'Raven Clark OT Texas Tech
17 219 Jerald Hawkins OT LSU
18 220 Avery Young OT Auburn
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1 31 Cardale Jones QB Ohio State
2 89 Brandon Doughty QB Western Kentucky
3 90 Brandon Allen QB Arkansas
4 103 Connor Cook QB Michigan State
5 111 Kevin Hogan QB Stanford
6 124 Mike Bercovici QB Arizona State
7 126 Jacoby Brissett QB NC State
8 188 Nate Sudfeld QB Indiana
9 189 Vernon Adams Jr. QB Oregon
10 203 Dak Prescott QB Mississippi State
11 205 Matt Johnson QB Bowling Green
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1 10 Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State
2 23 Derrick Henry RB Alabama
3 40 C.J. Prosise RB Notre Dame
4 43 Kenneth Dixon RB Louisiana Tech
5 56 Alex Collins RB Arkansas
6 85 Paul Perkins RB UCLA
7 104 Kenyan Drake RB Alabama
8 112 Aaron Green RB TCU
9 113 DeAndre Washington RB Texas Tech
10 150 Peyton Barber RB Auburn
11 161 Keith Marshall RB Georgia
12 164 Jonathan Williams RB Arkansas
13 192 Tyler Ervin RB San Jose State
14 207 Wendell Smallwood RB West Virginia
15 211 Travis Greene RB Bowling Green
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1 9 Jalen Ramsey S Florida State
2 20 Vonn Bell S Ohio State
3 30 Karl Joseph S West Virginia
4 45 Keanu Neal S Florida
7 48 KJ Dillon S West Virginia
5 57 Jeremy Cash S Duke
6 62 Sean Davis S Maryland
8 75 Trevon Stewart S Houston
9 76 Jamie Byrd S South Florida
10 105 Justin Simmons S Boston College
11 114 Darian Thompson S Boise State
12 118 Jayron Kearse S Clemson
13 127 Tyvis Powell S Ohio State
14 153 DeAndre Houston-Carson S William & Mary
15 154 Miles Killebrew S Southern Utah
16 155 Michael Caputo S Wisconsin
POS. RANK Overall PLAYER POS. SCHOOL
1 39 Hunter Henry TE Arkansas
2 59 Austin Hooper TE Stanford
3 63 Jerell Adams TE South Carolina
4 78 Tyler Higbee TE Western Kentucky
5 106 Nick Vannett TE Ohio State
6 152 Jake McGee TE Florida
7 206 Bryce Williams TE East Carolina
POS. RANK Overall PLAYER POS. SCHOOL
1 1 Laquon Treadwell WR Ole Miss
2 6 Josh Doctson WR TCU
3 15 Corey Coleman WR Baylor
4 28 Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma
5 37 Braxton Miller WR Ohio State
6 46 Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh
7 53 Will Fuller WR Notre Dame
8 54 Pharoh Cooper WR South Carolina
9 55 Michael Thomas WR Ohio State
10 77 Devin Lucien WR Arizona State
11 79 Leonte Carroo WR Rutgers
12 107 Jordan Payton WR UCLA
13 128 Charone Peake WR Clemson
14 129 Malcolm Mitchell WR Georgia
15 130 Demarcus Robinson WR Florida
16 131 Roger Lewis WR Bowling Green
17 151 Daniel Braverman WR Western Michigan
18 156 Mitch Mathews WR Brigham Young
19 157 Demarcus Ayers WR Houston
20 162 Nelson Spruce WR Colorado
21 163 Cody Core WR Ole Miss
22 190 Bralon Addison WR Oregon
23 191 Jalin Marshall WR Ohio State
24 193 Kolby Listenbee WR TCU
25 194 Byron Marshall WR Oregon
26 202 Rashard Higgins WR Colorado State
27 208 Mose Frazier WR Memphis
28 209 DeAndre Reaves WR Marshall
29 217 Keyarris Garrett WR Tulsa
30 218 Devon Cajuste WR Stanford
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Man, it hurts to know we could have had my #1 and #3 players after trading down twice with no trade-ups and we'll probably pick neither.
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You and I think a lot alike. I printed out that list and we both have the same players crossed off. 
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Was just thinking about Ohio State. Jeremy Cash and Noah Spence could have easily been drafted as Buckeyes this year. Just goes to show how lopsided college football is. We had 5 first round picks and will still have a butt load of guys get drafted still.
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I like Spence, Dodd, or Ogbah at 32.
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Something exciting..like a kicker?
Browns are sad.
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j/c
I want Braxton Millar, but not at #32 of course. Third rounder or where?
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Something exciting..like a kicker?
Browns are sad. I'd like Aquayo in the 4th round...
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
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Why not try something different.
Dont even field an offense.
Defence only.
Get possession and quick kick it back to the other team.
Wed probably score more points than the current roster..lol
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I want Braxton Millar, but not at #32 of course. Third rounder or where? Some other guys would have a better handle on that than me, but probably 3rd or 4th. I would consider Michael Thomas at 32. The Browns still need a big-bodied red zone target.
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I'd try to trade back slightly if possible ... still tons of talent on the board
I'd be fine with Jack, Spence, Thomas, Alexander, Jones, Spriggs ... tons of guys left
Say no to Cook though please
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Please stop w/this trading down stuff. We need players.
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He's only trying to protect the FO.
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No, he isn't like you.
We have a TON of picks. We need players. There are several guys on the board that could really help the Browns. The value in this draft is though 60.
We have our choice from guys like:
Spence---------maybe the best pass rusher in the draft.
Thomas---------great hands, tall, red-zone WR that we so desperately need.
Dodd----------explosive DE.
Ogbah------------big, strong, fundamentally sound DE.
Ragland------------good run stopper at ILBer.
These guys are good players.
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Not counting any further trades, the Browns have the first pick in the 2nd round, 3 picks including the first 2 picks of the 3rd, 3 picks including the first 2 picks of the 4th, and 3 picks including another back-to-back pick in the 5th. We traded away our 6th round pick but still own our 7th rounder. We still have 11 picks, 6 of them in the top 100, or next 69 picks.
I think our next need to address is pass rusher, and there are several very good options at good value right where we are. I don't think we need to trade back any more, unless we can pick up another future pick. I love having 3 sets of back-to-back picks. We can afford to take some risks, like Jaylon Smith, Moritz Boehringer, or Roberto Aguayo. We certainly should be grabbing a QB somewhere in the 3rd/4th rounds. We need a big-bodied WR, LBs (inside and outside), and defensive backfield. I would really like to add baby Gronk as a TE/H-Back.
About Aguayo, I realize K is not normally a mid-round pick, usually a 7th-UDFA concern, but Aguayo is a special talent. Kickers account for more points, year in-year out, than any other position besides QB. As often as we fail to score in the red zone, having a clutch kicker could well be the key to winning close games.
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3. Forgive me Elf, I didn’t have faith. ~ Tulsa
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About Aguayo... having a clutch kicker could well be the key to winning close games. I'd like to see us pick him and see no risk here...3rd or top of the 4th round.
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I think you should cross of your #53 overall player. Drafting Wil Fuller would be awkward.
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No, he isn't like you.
We have a TON of picks. We need players. There are several guys on the board that could really help the Browns. The value in this draft is though 60.
We have our choice from guys like:
Spence---------maybe the best pass rusher in the draft.
Thomas---------great hands, tall, red-zone WR that we so desperately need.
Dodd----------explosive DE.
Ogbah------------big, strong, fundamentally sound DE.
Ragland------------good run stopper at ILBer.
These guys are good players.
But have the Best of the rest could be the object and we take one of them at #32...Jack, Dodd or Spence if you ask me.
Defense wins championships. Watson play your butt off!
Go Browns!
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No, he isn't like you.
We have a TON of picks. We need players. There are several guys on the board that could really help the Browns. The value in this draft is though 60.
We have our choice from guys like:
Spence---------maybe the best pass rusher in the draft.
Thomas---------great hands, tall, red-zone WR that we so desperately need.
Dodd----------explosive DE.
Ogbah------------big, strong, fundamentally sound DE.
Ragland------------good run stopper at ILBer.
These guys are good players.
But have the Best of the rest could be the object and we take one of them at #32...Jack, Dodd or Spence if you ask me.
I'm on board with Dodd or Spence. No to Jack, IMO not worth the risk.
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Spence---------maybe the best pass rusher in the draft.
Thomas---------great hands, tall, red-zone WR that we so desperately need.
Dodd----------explosive DE.
Ogbah------------big, strong, fundamentally sound DE.
Ragland------------good run stopper at ILBer. ANY of those please. Even if we move down again for another 3rd. If we could sell Jack or Cook for another high 3rd, I'd snag Thomas and then pound the D in 3.
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The value in this draft is though 60. Agree. But if we could trade down and gain enough ammo (packaging 1 of our 3 third round picks and/or 1 of the 4 fourth round picks) to get multiple picks within that 60? That would be my goal. BUT IF we stay at pick 32. Man the highest rated player on my board by a wide margin is sitting right there in Mackenzie Alexander. He plays a high value position and he's the last of his tier of CB. We have our choice from guys like:
Spence---------maybe the best pass rusher in the draft.
Thomas---------great hands, tall, red-zone WR that we so desperately need.
Dodd----------explosive DE.
Ogbah------------big, strong, fundamentally sound DE.
Ragland------------good run stopper at ILBer.
These guys are good players. Like your list. Maybe not the order. Only difference is Ragland I think 32 is too high for him, I think there are other thumper style ILB that are near his talent later Stephen Daniels, BJ Goodson, Kentrell Brothers...
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I pretty much agree w/you about Ragland.
Go to the Impact thread and I answered your question about Alexander there. Not sure if its legit or not, but it's out there.
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No, he isn't like you.
We have a TON of picks. We need players. There are several guys on the board that could really help the Browns. The value in this draft is though 60.
We have our choice from guys like:
Spence---------maybe the best pass rusher in the draft.
Thomas---------great hands, tall, red-zone WR that we so desperately need.
Dodd----------explosive DE.
Ogbah------------big, strong, fundamentally sound DE.
Ragland------------good run stopper at ILBer.
These guys are good players. If you have 5 players with similar grades, why not trade back 3-5 spots if you can?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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