DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2016 NFL Season 2016 NFL Draft 9 guys with first round grades still on my board.

Jarran Reed, Andrew Billings, Myles Jack, Emmanuel Ogbah, A'Shawn Robinson, Reggie Ragland, Mackensie Alexander, Noah Spence, Kevin Dodd,

But the truth is that deep into the second round, there really isn't much of a drop off in talent from the guys above.

Trading and picking up 3rd rounders would be fine, but there is more talent than usual in this year's second round and we should try to pick up more picks in the top 70 if possible. That's where the talent level starts to drop in my opinion. (Actually it's at about 75, but I would prefer a little room for safety.)

Possible trade with extra 2nds partners are:

Kansas City - #37, #59
Tennessee - #33, #43, #45, #64
New England - #60, #61

Also the San Diego Chargers, Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Jacksonville Jaguars, and Baltimore Ravens all have a 3rd round pick that falls before #70.

This is probably the make or break moment in the draft for the Browns. If we trade, we need to have guys targeted for where we are trading to and make sure that we get value for those picks.

If we are not sure, it's better to stay where we are and take one of those 9 guys above.

I like what we did in the first round. We traded down and got a player at one of our biggest needs, in an impact position, with impact speed, that fits Hue Jackson's vertical passing attack. We need to put the same thought into our next move.

Robinson and Ragland are two down players and Jack is completely off the board. I would not consider them at 32.

Depending on how far we moved down, I could definitely see it. Move down and still end up with one of these guys would be amazing.

Mackensie Alexander, Noah Spence, Kevin Dodd, Emmanuel Ogbah,

As the draft progresses, I'll be increasingly irked at trading down. Another trade down at 32 does make some sense, but in the middle to later on in this round, I'd like us to flip the strategy and start moving back into the second and third rounds. There are possible impact players to be had, I'm just worried we're going to wait too long or be overly conservative.

Pick 32: Trade down with the intent to have enough 3rd round ammo to get pack into the bottom of the 2nd

Picking at 32:

Designated pass rusher 1 (RDE/ROLB) = Emmanuel Ogbah, Noah Spence, Kevin Dodd

Left cornerback = Mackenzie Alexander CB Clemson
-I wonder why he's falling. By pure grade I have him ahead of the remaining pass rushers.

But which is better for this team? A hit at edge rusher or a hit at CB?

Other 2nd round options:

Defensive tackle = Jonathan Bullardone of the last of the 5-tech DE/3-tech DL that can provide interior pressure, Kenny Clark, Chris Jones

Tight End = Hunter Henry

Free Safety = Kevin Byard

ILB = Miles Jack

Right tackle = Jason Spriggs

Wide receiver 2 = Michael Thomas, Tyler Boyd

yeah I'm not that interested in Ragland, certainly not here at 32, and I'm not sure Dodd is a great fit for a 3-4.

I'd love for us to just draft Spence at 32. That would be awesome. He is the #3 guy on the board I made up before the draft. I don't think we're going to because of the drug history even though he's believed to have been clean since going to EKU.

Alexander is my best realistic option. His opposing completion percentage is unbelievable for a Power 5 conference.

I disagree about Robinson being just a two down player, and if we took Jones or Robinson I'd be happy as well, but not as much as if we took Spence or Alexander.

I don't really want to trade back from this spot. We have a ton of picks and have a chance at an impact player in Spence or Alexander or potentially Jump Rope. Just take one.

I don't want a wideout here as the top 3 are off the board and outside of maybe Shepard I don't see a drop-off in talent in what will go 2nd (Shepard, Boyd, Thomas) against what could be available at 65 (Miller, Cooper).

Take Spence or take Alexander and reevaluate the board at 65.

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For those who are interested in trading, New England was rumored to want to move up from their 2nd rounders and if a player they like (Jack maybe?) is still there, their two picks (60 - 300, 61 - 292) would be equivalent to our 2nd (32 - 590). I don't want to do this trade, just pointing out it's a possibility for people who are so-inclined.

Would be happy with it. Unless we are only moving down 2-4 spots I would like to just pick at this point.

I would be okay with a trade, but not moving down more than 10 picks. Preferably with a future pick involved with the compensation.

I think Jack presents us an opportunity to auction off the pick. For those that worry what we'd be missing or risking in regards to Jack, he has the same agent as hue jackson. That relationship would give Jackson all the info we could need to make an educated decision. A few teams are likely to want to gamble

I wouldn't mind a trade like...

Kansas City - #37, #59
Browns - #32, #77

But I am hoping that someone falls in love with Jack and we get a windfall.

I could see us bringing in a future 1st and a 3rd for this. Giving us the ammo to trade back in for prospect that we value while also getting yet another 1st for next year

There was a post on PFT this morning that had a quote I thought was interesting. It makes me wonder if we've already accepted a trade that added future picks

“It is nice to space them out a little bit so they’re not all in one year so you’re not banking everything one particular draft class,” DePodesta said. “As we sit here now, we have extra picks in 2017 and 2018, and in fact in 2017, I think we have two firsts, two seconds and we may end up with two thirds, a couple of fourths. We literally may have, in effect, two drafts next year within the first four rounds at least. Then, we also have an extra second rounder in 2018.”


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-picks-in-2017/

Those are all from the earlier trades.

Still might trade down, though.

I still want Robinson. I think he'll benefit from being in the NFL style of practice rather than Saban's. Unlike a lot of Bama prospects he made it through that meat grinder with good health to go along with the NFL level X's and O's. He's obviously not JJ Watt, but he reminds me of him in some facets of his game. He's a lot younger than JJ was coming out.

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The #Cowboys are attempting to trade up with the #Browns at No. 32, source said. The likely target is a pass-rusher.

Not all of them are.

"and we may end up with two thirds, a couple of fourths"

From the same article...

"By suggesting the Browns could end up with extra third- and fourth-round picks, DePodesta may be indicating that the Browns are open for business with tonight’s first pick. Cleveland might trade down in the second round tonight and pick up a third-round pick next year. The Browns are also in line for compensatory picks next year." [fourth round]

I agree. We have a ton of picks. We need talented players.

I would take Spence at 32. Best pass rusher in the draft. Explosive.

I would even consider trading some of our picks to move back up high into round 2 to take a guy like Alexander or Thomas.

We need an edge rusher. Spence fills that.

We need a cornerback way more than most people think. Alexander has great skills.

Thomas would compliment Coleman perfectly. Coleman over the top and Thomas is a good route runner, dependable, and a red zone target.

I expect the Brown's to move back up in the 2nd. I wouldn't consider it but seems they are leaning that way. And if the offer comes in for 32 I expect them to move on it. Seems pretty easy to blow Sashi's socks off.

I really hope not.

the good news, is the Steelers took a player that I had a late 4th round grade on lol.

Now I take Henry and dont look back. I start using my later picks to bet into the top 70. more the merrier.

Yeah I think the rest of the division had about as bad of a draft as possible, just like last year.

How bad is he, I wouldnt trade gilbert for him lol

What have they done that would make you think they are willing to move up in the draft?

Also, both trades we have made have been for exceptional value.

My bet is that the Ravens wanted Tunsil. The video comes out, he's off the board. Stanley was the next best tackle.

It was the timing of the video that really sucked. I don't think he falls nearly that far if teams could have had a chance to talk to Tunsil. But man, it was like 10 minutes before the draft.

What all have we walked away with for moving from #2 to #15?

I love the idea of adding Thomas or Boyd...not sure of the value at #32...and after Sterling Shepherd IMHO WR talent drops...

Ditto with CBs...have Alexander and maybe Howard and probably one or two....then drop off there...

Most of the elite OT is gone...perhaps target Kyle Murphy in one of our round 3 picks...

I pray Calhoun does slide to round 3 and we can grab him...bet he shows more in one year than Mingo has done his whole career

There were rumors of the Chargers taking Stanley over Tunsil @ #3 days ago. The character flaws were glaring very early in the offseason.

Suspended 5 games in 2015 for impermissible benefits.
The physical altercation with step-dad.
Nkemdiche telling everyone that Tunsil was with him when he did the header off the 4 story balcony.
I think a lot off teams dropped him on their drafts boards before the video.
Miami was too desperate for a LT to let him pass by though.

They only have the #32 pick in the second rd. If they trade out, I look for them to try and stay, or get back into the 2nd rd.

Also I think you meant "potential value" I'm not going to complain about the 15th pick, but right now we got a fast but small 5'11" WR that will probably be used as a punt returner until ready for prime time as WR. Hope he stays healthy.

We need a Pass Rusher (Spence), at least 1 in the secondary (Vonn Bell), and an ILB (Ragland), Otherwise go after Offensive playmakers the rest of the draft, Oh yea we need at 1 on the OL also (Spriggs) ...

I read up on Jack and love his ability, but that dang injury and the thought he may need more surgery makes me want to pass. Hey, if he's there in the 7th,, hell yeah, why not.

I think they'll go with the best OT left. I'd have no objection to that.

He'll be on the field week #1 as a starting WR.

How did the Rats have a bad night last night? ..... What's wrong with their pick?

Considering the current competition at the position, it's almost a certainty.

Good question.

They were picking at 6, so they were going to get a good player. LT was far from the biggest need on their team, and it kept the elite defenders and wide receivers off of their team. They couldn't have picked a bad player, but I don't think they improved much.

I don't get it either. While Stanley may never be a Joe Thomas, he has the physical skills and brains to be a top 10 LT.

I think LT was a need. Here's this take:

At this stage, the way I view his knee is that he can step in and play right away..... but, if the knee flares in a two or three years, big deal, we got 2-3 years of great play at a position of need.

That's more than we get from most of our draft picks, so how can it be a bad gamble?