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I keep thinking about Wentz and Goff and realize, It's not that they are really as good as 1st and 2nd picks, it's that they are the two best in the draft or at least thought to be.

Goff has excellence field vision and throws with great anticipation. I think he is definitely a day one starter. Wentz on the other hand definitely is not.

Daman ... You forgot Russell Wilson.

2012 Round (3) pick 82 if my memory serves me correctly.

I disagree all teams should be graded on the selections taken that year by the analysts, nothing else. Adding a bunch of picks for next year hasn't ever made a team better in the current season. It's who you pick that makes the team better. If the bozo's (reporters, analyst) say we had a bad grade in the 2016 draft so be it. I could care less, only time will tell. Besides nobody knows for sure. Just talking heads

Damn Spinderella is fine

And that's how it works. You're graded on the players drafted in each draft. Now if the picks are used wisely, we should get a very high grade in next years draft.

That sucked. And more than once. Lame. It has happened before in other drafts.

I disagree with his opinion, but it will be interesting to see how the approach taken by the Browns works out.

I think that the more swings you take, the more likely you are to hit. It was reported that the Browns really liked Goff. The Rams traded to #1, and the Browns seemed certain that they would take Goff, and it is apparent that they did not hold Wentz in the same regard some others did. If they thought that he was a franchise QB, a legitimate franchise guy, then they never would have traded the pick. If you have a chance to draft a franchise QB, you take it.

I suspect that the Browns would have drafted a different player, and not Wentz, if they had been unable to move out of 2.

Time will tell if this was a wise set of trades, or not. Even if Wentz becomes a very good QB, that does not necessarily mean that the Browns lost. Maybe RG3 resurrects his career. Maybe Kessler does do something I find almost impossible to believe, and becomes a really good QB. If not, maybe we find ourselves in position to draft DeShaun Watson, or a different QB, if one studs out next year.

It is almost impossible to judge a draft, unless it completely blows up, in less than 3 or 4 years. It will be interesting to see how the numbers approach does for the Browns. Personally, I think that they got some very useful, starter quality players in this draft. We'll see.

I agree. It is far too early to tell. At this juncture it's all about opinions and nothing more.

I do disagree with you with your "the more swings you take" theory, but once again, only time will tell. Your theory is based on the same baseball being pitched time after time. Yet we know draft picks are chosen based on what teams see as the best potential.

The lower you draft, the less teams see as the potential of that pick. If they had been valued higher, they wouldn't be on the board. So the later in the draft you pick, the lower potential for success.

Now that isn't saying you can't land good players later in the draft. What it does say is that your odds of success go down drastically. The numbers dictate that to have any success later in the draft, the more swings you need.

I like our first three picks. But as with any draft, you can't expect a lot of above average talent later in the draft. This draft is no different. As many picks as we had, I expect a couple of our later players to have success than if we only had one pick in rounds three through round seven. But I also feel the same could be said if we would have moved back up in the draft also.

I don't believe having several more picks later in the draft increases your odds any more than having a couple of extra picks in the higher rounds does. But time will tell us how this all works out.

I read his bio, doesn't say anything about him playing football, managing football, scouting football, or anything else to do with football. He has been a journalist for 17 years... which means he doesn't know any more about football than the average 40 year old football fan.... and he knows far less than the average person on here about the Browns.. the one thing he does know, is that bashing the Browns is usually a much safer bet than praising them...

He is not much different than Mike Greenberg, his job is not to be the most analytical, his job is to lead the discussion of other people who have a clue as to what they are talking about.

I wish I had a quarter for every time the word analytical had been used, and even misused on this board since this FO has been hired.

I wish I had a quarter for every time the phrase "Money ball" has been misused on this board.

#MoneyBall

Roadhouse.

Imagine if the board collected a dime for each misspelling and abuse of grammar. Purp would be able to buy a time machine, go into the future, and bring back a quantum computer. This site would rock even more.

Heck, maybe that will fix "quick reply."

The only thing wrong with quick reply is people not knowing how to use it.

I agree with this as well. Did every team who needed a QB but didn't draft Russel Wilson for the first 74 picks have a failed draft? Musta.

I don't think you judge one team's draft by the success or failure of anothers'.

I doubt it happens but if the Browns get three starters, four solid contributors and have two pro bowlers out of this draft will it be a failure because Wentz panned out on a different team with a different supporting cast in a different scheme behind a different HC?

Where's the tipping point?

I'm not sure who said it, it might have been you, but they said, "You can't draft impact players, you can only draft impact positions." Well, the FO did that. Now they have to be players.

We have no idea yet just who will provide an impact or who will be a bust or who will be a solid contributor. Each draft has players drafted in the middle rounds, or even UDFA's who surprise everyone. And there are players drafted in the first round who underachieve or even bust. At this point we just don't know.

The "experts" all all over the map on their evaluations. I've seen the Browns draft grade at A-, B, C and F. Are they all right? It's no different evaluating players. I've seen Cody Coleman as #1 WR in the draft. Also as the 4th best and as a second rounder. Are they all right?

It makes for good/fun reading but in the end they're no better than a few guys we have on here. They're all equally as right/wrong.

I'll give the Browns the benefit of the doubt until things don't pan out, then I'll give them the doubt. It'll take a couple of years.

Two things:

--I think it was ed who said that about impact positions. I think you draft impact players at impact positions.

--Are we not allowed to discuss whether we like or dislike each pick because you want to give the Browns the benefit o the doubt for a few years? What's the point of a football message board if not to discuss what the team is doing? Are you, and the people who actually liked your post, suggesting that we all be good German citizens and follow along w/the plan no matter what that plan is?

I really feel that this board is more German than American in that respect. Stifle individuality and follow along or be persecuted for it.

Bullying? How so?

And I am not trying to rule the board. I would simply like to express my opinions w/out being harassed.

j/c,
I probably should take time to introduce myself. I've been lurking for a few years, but don't really know enough to join most of these discussions, but I can't resist this.

Here is the first hit when I googled "2014 draft analysis".






Interesting perspective, from an expert.

Oh, the irony.

Like when you constantly harassed posters' opinion for liking Wentz by calling them Wentz Warriors ad nauseum or do you mean a different kind of harass?

"Constantly" and "ad nauseum."

Yep, that is my point.

Who wouldn't.

as in, theres a whole bunch of us sick of your crap. Quit acting butt hurt every time someone disagrees with you. You are no more of an expert than anyone else on here.

Hope they fold. The whole draft they were swooning over the Cowboys almost every minute. I don't recall them mentioning any other team as many times as they did the Plowboys. It was Jerry this and Jerry that, come on. I can't recall them once talking about the Squealers, Green Bay or 25 other teams during the 2nd day.

They play up to the big market teams because they have the largest fan base who are watching their show. The population of Dallas is 1.2 million. The population of Green Bay is 0.1 million. They talk to the million instead of the 100,000.

I have been thinking about Wentz and Goff as the prettiest of the ugly girls. It is IMHO those that wanted us to take one of them at #2 are those that may also believe that there is no such thing as an ugly girl at closing time.

I was just thinking to myself about how quiet things have been on The Squeelers fan front. Even my Stillers FB friends havent had anything to say about the draft

You gotta admit there's some truth in that.

I think Goff is the read deal. I think Wentz has bust written all over him

Cleveland Browns have the largest documented fan base in the NFL. This is paying members of fan clubs throughout the world. They should be sucking up to us.

http://ohiowins.com/largest-fan-base-in-the-nfl/

I’m not sure if Cleveland Browns fans just love a great underdog story or are gluttons for punishment. Whichever it is, it’s obvious Browns fans are both loyal and crazy about their team. Not only are they passionate, but there are a whole lot of them. The Cleveland Browns are considered to have the largest organized fan base in the NFL. The Browns’ official fan club, the “Browns Backers Worldwide” has over 105,000 registered members, boasting approximately 350 chapters in 10 different countries. The Browns Backers can be found in every major city in the United States as well as several military bases throughout the world. Two of the larger international fan clubs are based in Niagara, Canada (~300 members) and Alon Shvut, Israel (~125 members). The Browns Backers also have a presence in Egypt, Japan, Australia, and Antarctica! (Lakewood Observer) A large reason for the international fan base is due to the fact that the previous Browns majority owner, Randy Lerner, was also the owner of the Premier League Aston Villa Football Club. Browns jerseys and other merchandise were sold at Aston Villa games and throughout the English neighborhood.

http://www.answers.com/Q/Which_NFL_team_has_the_largest_fan_base_in_the_world

The CLEVELAND BROWNS have the biggest fan club. Check the information and the numbers. The Browns Backers worldwide (BBW) is the official worldwide fan club of the Cleveland Browns and is considered to be the largest organized fan club in all of professional sports, boasting over 340 chapters and over 90,000 members worldwide. The key word is organized. There may be larger ones but the numbers can be accounted for.

Still:

Cleveland population 390,000
Browns Backers Worldwide 105,000

Browns: 495,000
Dallas: 1,200,000

But i do agree with you, they should be sucking up to us. Perhaps when we start winning we won't be so easy to brush aside.

Once again, those are paying members of a fan club. Something you don't have to do to see the game in a home broadcast area. At one time (before Sunday Ticket) I had to go to a bar with a satellite dish showing the game to be able to see my beloved Browns. The fan clubs soured after the 94 season, and we had over 400 paying members, and would have about 7-800 people in the bar on a Sunday morning through late afternoon.

So you are ok with the 14 players we took, and the grades we received correct? But you are not ok with the way we aquired those picks leading up to the draft??? We only were in that position because of the trades we made. So should we remove the players we took at the picks we added? Like it or not the draft allows you to do many things. Would you also discount the corner we traded for just because it was during the draft?

I disagree, the draft is adding assets to our team, just like the picks we added are also assets. To just discount them is foolish, because then we should have an F for not taking Wentz, and so forth because if we cannot add the picks to the equation, we should be punished as well on who we could of had.

To me this doesn't make sense.

Hehehe, no kidding!

All I'm saying is grading a draft on future picks is not what I would grade any drafts on. And I never said I'm ok with any of the picks or grades. Grading a draft low is not a punishment it's only an opinion by some reporter or football analyst who many times are wrong about their draft grades anyways.