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That's a big gamble - putting all our eggs in the RGIII basket. I'm not comfortable with that (yet)...

Josh McCown is a class act and we're lucky to have him on our roster.

I see no reason to dump Josh McCown. He played well last year, seems like a class act and can only help the young QBs on our roster. He's more valuable right now, and still will be in the fall, than a late-round draft pick.

What Tulsa said. lol

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We drafted Cody Kessler because he is a capable backup. He will be able to absorb the playbook fast and play average to below average football if needed.

We are going to be bad no matter what. If we lose Griffin it probably won't affect the loss column one way or another.

Are we not well below the cap?
I'm sure we are, so it'd be money well spent by this franchise - for a change.

While cap savings might not seem important because we have a ton of cap room, it is very helpful because we can roll our cap room over to future years.

Excuse me if my question sounds simplistic, but don't we have to spend a percentage of the cap anyway?

We are going to get younger.

It is not fair to McCown to bury him at 3 on the QB depth chart. Plus, McCown is an asset. He has value. Maybe he only brings a 6th or 7th round pick, but that is valuable for a young team.

Further, maybe we want to keep another of the young QBs as our #3. Or, as someone already said, maybe we keep only 2 QBs, so we can keep a position player instead. Maybe we like Davis as our 3rd. We did just re-sign him this past year.

I just see a lot of possibilities ... and the most likely is that a team needs a bridge QB, to get to their young QB ..... maybe Denver, for example, and decides to trade a conditional pick in exchange for McCown.

One final thing: I will have no problem if we do keep McCown. Like I said, I really respect him, both as a player, and as a person. I just don't think we will, and I don't think that it is fair to bury him for the year if he has a better chance to play somewhere else. Also, even if he is the best QB on the team, if it takes 37 year old Josh McCown for us to win games, is that what we want? If that's what it takes, then it's better to lose games, and position ourselves for the top QB next year.

JMHO.

Agree w this, completely. The money is worth it right now.

No reason to keep Shaw on this team. None at all.

McCown's $ shouldn't mean squat this year. He's an asset we need to keep in that room with Kessler AND Griffin. They both need it.

With Huey and Pep we might be able to fast track Griffin and Kessler.

Looking at this:

Griffin/McCown/Kessler

is much better than:

Griffin/Davis or Shaw/Kessler

Keep RG3, McCown, and Kessler. Ditch Davis and Shaw.

If RG3 doesn't pan out we'll have a top 5 pick again next year with ammo to get Watson

Exactly, we have a youngster that Apparently, Hue believes is the real deal and we have a guy that at one time was considered Franchise level. Then a couple of nice pieces.

McCown is a guy that fits the bill of mentor and pretty good guy to come in cold if needed.

Nothing the Browns do would surprise me, but I'd probably not think it as a smart move to cut/trade McCown at this point. Might feel differently later. But not today.

I'd like to keep McCown as well. I know he can come in if needed, and give us a good chance to win. And of course, I know that he will do his part in helping the younger players grow as a QB.

j/c:

A few points:

--McCown might be the best qb on the roster.

--Money should not be the focus.

--The Browns go through 3 or more qbs each year and their OL has taken big hits in the off-season.

j/c:

McCown's going to start the season at QB. We actually signed RG3 to play free safety b/c he was tearing it up there on the Redskins scout team.

Being serious, I think we keep McCown thru the preseason games. Depending on how RG3 and Kessler go, we could let him go at final cuts. I'm fine with keeping him, but with the influx of rookies I'm not sure we'll have the roster spots to hold 3 QBs. McCown's a great dude, but I don't think the FO will see him as part of the long term plan.

I think it's pretty obvious that McGown isn't in the long term plans.. I mean the guy is what, 100 years old now LOL

Seriously I think it's RG, McGown and Kessler.. at least this year. Beyond that, I just can't even think about yet.

Just taking a wild guess, I'd say that RG3 is the "right now", McCown is the veteran mentor, and Kessler is a guy. McCown will help Kessler, and how (if) Kessler responds and develops determines if there is anything more to the story.

The Brown's need Josh's veteran leadership, this could be the youngest team in the NFL come Sept. That plus the fact remains the same. We still don't have that clear cut starting QB. Top that with the two veteran QB's we do have on the roster seem to get hurt often. Nobody wants to see the rook in there this year I hope.

That sounds about right to me.

McCown doesn't need to be part of any long-term plan. I think we could sure use him this season as the grizzled veteran to help both RG3 and Kessler. RG3 is coming in with a new mindset. That needs to be burned in. With that in mind, RG3 isn't going to have a lot of extra brain activity to devote to the rookie. I'm sure he'll be willing but he's got enough on his plate just trying to resurrect his career.

McCown can help both of them, a lot.

j/c:

At least how I see things Week 1 if we keep three QBs.

#1- Robert Griffin III
#2- Josh McCown
#3- Cody Kessler (doesn't suit up on game day)

Cut:
Shaw & Davis

I don't think people understand how much RG3 has to learn in a very short amount of time. I could see McCown starting the first few weeks of the season if RG3 isn't up to speed.

I also don't think anyone wants Kessler to be the #2 guy this year. Next year maybe, but why the rush?

$5 mil is actually pretty cheap for a back-up QB and cutting McCown makes no sense as far as how much a comparable replacement would cost. Chase Daniels is a #3 QB right now and making more than McCown.

This is my preferred set up going in to this next season. Not only do we benefit from McCowns mentorship for Kessler, we also have a guy that we can count on to come in and play at a minimum competently. We can't forget that we are installing a new offense this year (again). If RGIII goes down for any length of time, we can still make headway installing that offense with someone like McCown. I don't know that we could as well with Shaw/Austin/Kessler.

IMO overall there are more benefits to keeping Josh over releasing him.

I see no reason to cut McCown loose. RG3 has a history of injuries and Kessler is very much a project at QB. McCown can very easily wear both caps of Mentor to Kessler and Capable backup to RG3. That's well worth the price of his salary, which really isn't that much.

This seems to be the prevailing wind here on dawg talkers ... Hopefully this FO will see his value as it would seem to be obvious to even the most casual fan and students of the game (such as all of you) alike.

j/c

My primary concern with keeping McCown is with 14 draft picks we've added a lot of depth to the roster. If we keep him, who gets bumped off. A QB2/QB3 doesn't add much on gameday. On the field, for sure not much anything. Maybe on the sideline, but we have a QB coach there. If we get to that QB2/3 as usual, it most likely means our season is already shot.

I don't expect all 14 draft picks to make this roster...not that your implying this. I see the 14 picks as a way to have a better chance at finding guys that can stick, but not all will make it, IMO.

Safe to say that there will be room. Some of those 14 draft picks will cause other guys to be bumped. The two young QB's we have on the roster right now are as good as gone as well.

Don't see it as a big problem.

Josh could be our opening day starter. Seriously, RG3 wont beat him out easily.

You keep Josh. The dude has already reached out to the new Qb and is already resuming his mentor role.

If anything, I'd like to see Austin and Connor get canned or traded and leave Cody, Josh and RGIII to battle it out. What I feel is going to happen is Josh gets traded for something very low end.

I could see Davis and Shaw getting kicked to the curb, with one of their numbers remaining on speed dial if/when we get to our usual situation of scrambling to sign QB(s) because we broke all of ours.

If McCown opens the season as the starter as Griffen couldn't beat him out, I think that would be extremely disappointing, but the impact stops there. Griffen is a long-shot, even with the rosiest of glasses. We're giving him every chance to succeed here, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a long-shot. His contract is about as minimal as possible for a QB that should be our starter at the beginning of the year. He's nothing but a memory at the start of next year if he doesn't get it done this year.

I don't say this with malice, but if Josh McCown is our starter this year, then this year is a failure.

This year is about one of 2 things at the QB position, either finding out if RG3 can be a legitimate starter once more, or if Cody Kessler can. If neither of these is the case, then we lose in the interest of gaining the top pick in next year's draft.

Plus, as much as I respect McCown, he won 1 game last year.

There simply is no upside to playing McCown.

One other thing ..... some head coaches like having a veteran helping "coach", and some want to be the only voice the other QBs hear. (themselves, or their subordinate coaches) I think that Hue has little interest in having another player "coaching" on the sidelines.

Again, JMHO.

If there's anything this off season has taught us, it's that this team is not about 1 position/guy.

...so, I totally disagree. The FO took a pass on the QB position this year. They passed on the high$ FAs, and they could've had their rookie QB (probably could've traded up to 1 easier than the Rams did) if they thought he was there.

Put another way, they had the cash to pay the best FA QB, and they had to draft position to go get a rookie. They did neither.

Ytown, you're doing it already!!! Trying to throw a late draft rookie into the starting mix if Griffin doesn't pan out?

Please, stop. Give the kid time to adjust to the game.

And if McCown starts, so be it. That means the coaches see him as our best option. I happen to think Griffin will start, but if he stinks, or gets injured, you're ready to throw a mid round draft pick into the starting role, behind what at this time is an unknown entity in our O line, and if he fails, go get another qb next year?

Dayum - no wonder we're known as qb killers.

Yes, we do. It is not an issue with our current team.

I'd say it is about none of the above.

I'd say that it isn't about anything at the QB position, at all... we have guys that should get us through the season. Hopefully they can. That's it. Maybe Kessler does well enough to make the roster and take the #3 spot.

I doubt he'd clear waivers to get to the practice squad, so that idea is out.

It will be interesting to see what winds up happening.

I suspect that McCown will be traded for a late round or conditional pick.

And perhaps we only keep two QB's on the roster .

Being a Browns fan I know that would be flirting with disaster ...so would throwing Kessler into the bullpin, with no other veteran option to turn to.

imo ... That late round draft pick we might receive in in a trade, (debatable) would not come close to the value of keeping him on the roster.