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If that's the best response you got then jeez bro. Trump getting bodied these last few weeks must have affected your ability to make a decent comeback or counter argument.

It's ok, the RNC will save you from yourself lmao

Libs are not interested in anything but "Feelings" instead of facts. You have already dismissed the facts by once again burying your head in the sand.

That's because you post like Vers a lot... you only pick and choose what you want to read or respond to, and that's if you aren't already assigning beliefs and positions to other posters.

Go and look at the civil forfeiture thread. You'll see my thoughts on that are in line with you and Tulsa's.

I've always been against bulk data collection and if you look back far enough I was also against warrantless searches of cell phones.

Hell, I've even said that I didn't fully agree with how NYPD went about with their "Stop and frisk".

Perhaps it's YOUR credibility on Civil Rights that ought to be in question? You and others have come out vehemently against police stopping and frisking legit gang members in urban places known for high violent and drug activity based on a reasoning of "they might be up to no good"... yet you turn around and support restricting a persons Right to own a gun based on a lower threshold of a gun owner might do something someday that they shouldn't?

Be careful with your double standards my friend

Agreed.

So, what are the tax rates in these other countries in comparison to the corporate tax rates here?


And, companies that cheat on taxes do get caught, right? And they pay the fines, penalties, etc, right?

Sounds to me like maybe your issue should be with the entity that writes the tax laws. Congress. Ya think?

You've defend civil forfeiture in psst threads, since we wanna go back in time now.

this isn't the first thread I made on it.

Also, can you quote me on saying I don't want known drug dealers and other gang bangers stopped in search?

But that's what they teach you in cop school, right? Lie and get a false testimony so the conviction rates go up. You're giving me great reason to avoid you cops like the plague.

I support what I support to better the community.

But you? You don't protect and serve. You enlsave and punish.

The last two shooters were a white supremacist and a Muslim radical.. I seriously doubt either defines themselves as a liberal democrat. Many of the others have been high school or early college age kids.. and their politics didn't really seem to be a motivating factor.

They don't pay their tax rates.

You know damn well they don't.

BTW, the comment about calling in to question your Civil Rights credibility was purposefully inflammatory. Figured I'd take an opportunity for some uncharacteristic trolling

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/04/09/15-Fortune-500-Companies-Paid-No-Federal-Income-Taxes-2014

Does that look like 39% to any of you?

But somehow, we still need to lower taxes?

Lemme ask this: seeing as y'all love bending over backwards for corporations, what kind of lube do you guys prefer?

So now you're complaining about me marginalizing your viewpoint afte you just did it to me?

If you want to troll, you gotta make it less obvious. Take some advice from Eve, she's really good at getting me fired up for no reason.

My shot at you as a cop is on par with your shot about me and blacks, while once again, I made no mention of race.

I just want to point out to the board that the last handful of times, people have attempted to race bait me by making things about race.

And for the record...AGAIN, I don't make excuses for their lifestyles. I've said over and over again that if they get caught, they got nobody to blame but themselves.

What I HAVE said, however, is that you need to understand why people feel the need to do those things, which I have explained in detail.

Got it.

This is from the article you linked:


Again, I question if you/we should be mad at the corporations for following the existing laws, OR, if we should be upset at the entity that writes the laws?

One is an improper placement of blame, the other deserves the blame. You're a smart guy, figure it out.


Hey, I deduct my mortgage interest from my income. It's legal. Am I a tax cheat?

I deduct business expenses from my income. Is that wrong?

I take every legal deduction I can, and I bet you do as well. Does that make us tax cheats?

If corporations are following the laws written by congress - how can anyone be upset at the corporations?

There were many mass shootings in 2016 than the two you conveniently picked...

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data

You can look up the same facts I have repeatedly posted about gun violence and you will find you need to listen to your conservative side more.

I don't understand why we keep having repeated discussions over the same thing. Over something we've been over already.

Corporations and government are one in the same.

My whole argument is based around the fact that you guys blame government for everything while absolving corporations as if they had zero to do with the state of our economy.

But knowing you arch, I'm going to have to repeat myself...AGAIN. At least 20 times before I die.

I personally don't think we should have much deductions, if at all.

Also, AGAIN, just because something is legal, doesn't make it ethical.

For example, when your boys in the car business decided to lay off people, give executive bonuses, AND by private jets while asking the government( AKA, THE people) for more bailout money?

That's legal, but that doesn't mean it isn't jacked up and pathetic.

For you who always claims that Hilary is bought and paid for by corporations, I find it highly ignorant, irresponsible, and just sad that you don't understand that congressional laws are written by the corporations!!!!

They own Washington. Come on dude.

So yes, my argument is based off our government running the country, not corporations.

I know that's a radical concept to you guys. Our constitution being held higher than corporations and such, but it's for the best. They need to be separate. We've allowed our government to be over ran with people who put their businesses first before the people they're sworn in to protect.

But the way you guys argue on this board, you make it very well known that you're cool with the way money and politics work.

Wrong! Government is Of, By, and For the people.

Business not so much.

If I'm wrong, explain citizens United? That's right, you're the one in the wrong.

I'm beginning to think some of you guys are paid by corporations to say this nonsense.

This explains a lot.

(and I don't know who "my boys" in the car business are - can you explain that?)

If you want to change it, change it. Vote for congress, and president, for people that aren't in the good old boys network. (and that applies to every race and every sex, by the way).

If we keep voting in the people that are bought and paid for - what do you think we'll get? Same old same old.


As I think about it, that might have something to do with why all dems, most repub's, and almost all the media outlets are hell bent against Trump.


I don't understand how you can't get this.

In Brief
In 2010, the Supreme Court case Citizens United vs. Federal Election Commission overturned the ban on certain types of corporate expenditures for political candidates.

Your Government at work.

I would say that anybody even considering voting for Hillary is making the same admission.... she is the personification of the status quo... bought and paid for by the people she is travelling around the country bad mouthing.

Our government is of and for the people, part of looking out for the people is looking out for our economic interests, part of doing that is making sure businesses thrive, making sure they stay here, making sure they grow here, etc...

Do I think our government is doing a good job? Hell no. But our government shouldn't be handcuffing businesses or slapping them around and penalizing them because "the people" think they are too rich.. They need to find a better balance, right now all of the power is in the hands of those who own the politicians and that needs to stop.

Your government too.

Got them boys offering up a billion for politicians.

That's how you like this country though.

Trump is the guy doing the buying. So acting like he's somehow a better candidate is mind boggling.

But I understand why you don't grasp that concept. You struggle with concepts a lot.

Trump being bodied up has zero to do with him not being bought and paid for, and everything to do with him SOMEHOW managing to be a worse character person than Hilary.

How does someone manage to pull that off?

You want things changed in your favor? Offer Hillary money.

Since I'm voting for Gary Johnson, that old crap is old, homey

I think you're missing the point. And you do seem quite angry today, anyway.

Read an article today that the "ins" on Wall St. have basically told Hillary that if she chooses Elizabeth Warren as a v.p., the money from Wall St. stops.


You think Hillary will select Warren as the v.p.?

Old crap is still crap, by the way, homey.

Good for you, I'm seriously considering that myself.

How am I angry?

You got a psychology degree now? Got it from devry or university of Phoenix? Masters or PH.D.?

Old crap is still crap? You seem like the kind of dude who acts like a female.

"Yea..you said sorry, but 25 years is still 25 years, Peter!!!!"

I credit Tulsa with that move

This will be my last cuz I'm checking out for the day...

-I'll take your advice om the trolling...

-I wasn't purposefully trying to race bait you or turn this in to a race thread. My broader point is that you and others have spoken out very strongly on Civil Rights issues. What I've found lacking IMO when it comes to those calling for more gun control is a consideration for Civil Rights. Make no mistake, owning a gun and having that ability to defend yourself, your family, and your property IS a Civil Right. That's why it's extremely important not to pass laws and make rules based on subjective terms such as "common sense". You said earlier to not get hung up on words, but when it comes to laws and Rights, the words we use are extremely important. People have called for more invasive background checks in to a person's mental health history. It's very important to use precise language and standards because a person who has experienced any degree of a mental health problem shouldn't automatically lose their Rights to anything. We can't treat this like we did Obamacare: pass something large, vague, and incomplete and say "We'll figure out the details and 'tweak' it later".

This has to be thought out. It has to be defined. The consequences have to be honestly considered and if they are negative, they have to be justified. Most people calling for more gun control aren't doing these very things. The fact that people are seriously trying to use an incident that had nothing to do with AR15's to ban AR15s should illustrate my point.

You did call for me to be fair and so I will. A few posts back you did offer up some form of a structure by which people who are flagged for possible terrorist activity could possibly work. It wasn't perfect, and to your credit you admitted as much. But also recognize your example is much more than most anyone else calling for more gun control has offered up.

Have a good evening!

No. This only resembles what I would be proud to call MY government. This is not my government. This is a perversion of MY government. I will be voting to change it.

You giving me props for coming out with a workable system?

You know that's a death sentence on DT, bro. Can't be seen in public agreeing with me.

Stay safe, have a good day.

Totally lost me there.

I'm guessing there's some sort of sarcasm in saying I seem like a dude that acts like a female."?

And yes, you do seem angry today.

Only a few on here are interested in the facts when it comes to guns so don't be frustrated with the replies you get.

This, right here, is what absolutely kills me about our current political environment. The extremists, on both sides, get all of the coverage however I've found that even my friends that I consider very, very liberal also see positives in Gary Johnson. We need someone like him to make a run at some point to change the landscape as I think the reality is that many of us that constantly bicker back and forth are a lot closer on the issues than one might think.

YO Bro IMO and it's only my opinion I believe most people who have an AR-15 do not want it to protect from home invasion from other citizens. They want it to protect from home invasion from OUR OWN DAMN GOVERNMENT. You are one of the biggest complainers on here about how you don't trust cops, yet you totally ignore any threat from our own government. Wake up and smell the roses bro

Our own government will not come at you with 9mm. or 45's they will come at you with AR-15's and much worse. Do you really want to try to protect your kids with a 22 or a pistol when the government is coming at you full force?

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

What I think is funny is my AK47 shooting the smaller and less powerful 762x39 round is a scary assault weapon but by M1A which shoots a .308 Win round and can take out a target 100's of yards farther away isn't scary because it doesn't have a pistol grip. It's the same semi-auto weapon and it's much deadlier in trained hands but it's cool while the AK is scary...

Just outlaw the pistol grip, then my AK-47 becomes an SKS. lol

Just outlaw idiots. Problem solved.

That would take care of our federal government at least.