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I disagree with you here.

Cops DO protect black people, just as they do whites, or latinos, or whatever.

You can see in my previous post, the case in MN with Philandro - the cop may have screwed up. Courts will decide.

I know, it doesn't change the fact that he's dead.

Look, your dislike of cops is well established on here. You don't like them, you don't trust them. I think just last week or so you said you'd run from them if pulled over. (maybe I'm doing a Bush here: Misrembering).

Alton shouldn't have had to pay with his life. But, he wasn't complying.

Philandro was complying. Now, what I'm about to say is probably going to be taken as me blaming him, and I'm not. AT ALL. Situation avoided if the first thing he says is "officer, I have a license....." instead of waiting to inform the officer, telling him as he reached for his back pocket "officer, I have a firearm".

Philandro, from everything I've read, was complying, no doubt.

Regardless, he's dead. His family probably wins a big lawsuit. But, he's dead.

Call it want you want.

Tired of being treated second class in this country.

I never said I'd run from the cops if I was wrong. If I get a speeding ticket, that's all on me.

But situations like this? How can you expect me to not try and defend myself?

If I had cops putting their hands on me and I did nothing wrong, damn right I'm defending myself.

But let me guess, when I'm defending myself, it's wrong. But when a cops assault me, it's justice?

Man f that.

I'm not defending anything. I'm putting to words what I saw in the video. I can't tell if the guy is reaching for his pocket or not, as it is not in view of the camera. I can't see his right arm. I am watching this as objectively as I can, just like I would a football replay two hours after the game, and I can't see if the guy is reaching for his pocket or not. I can't even tell if that is a gun they removed from his pocket in that video, as it isn't clear enough.

As for the one in Minnesota, the video unfortunately takes place after the shooting. I would like to state I don't understand how anyone can pull out their phone and record the incident while someone is bleeding out. I guess I can put that up to modern social norms or possibly shock. I thought I heard the officer screaming, "I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand off it." The juxtaposition of the calm of the woman compared to the cop freaking out is shocking. I hope there's a body cam on the cop that explains this better.

Being a person that has had the cops point guns at me before, and once had the unfortunate situation of having my hands in my pockets while questioned by a cop once, I must again stress that anyone stopped by the police should keep their hands clearly visible. When I had my hands in my pocket, I kept them there, as the cop has one hand on his stick and one on his gun. He was going to have to ask me to take my hands from my pockets, as I was not going to give him a reason to pull either his nightstick or gun. Yes, I'm white, but I've been told I am an unsavory looking character. Cops do react to that. I put them at ease by having my hands on the steering wheel, and only giving them answers to what they ask. I am never rude to one, as they are jacked up enough.

I can't say anything for you to see my side or sway you to change your attitude. I know there are things you've seen that I've only seen in movies. I get that.

However, when a cop would chase me down for skateboarding, I didn't act combative towards him because I was submissive or less of a man, it was because I didn't want to get arrested or beaten.

Like I said, I think that's the major problem here. You can point to one time a guy did what he was told and still got arrested and beaten, but I can't know if that's true or if that's the full story. Even then, the guys wasn't shot. And the cop was probably looking for a fight too. AND that was ONE example. I don't think one incident is enough to then act like a jerk to all cops and resist arrest even if you are or aren't doing something wrong. That's fighting fire with fire and then complaining you got burnt in the end. Fighting a cop leads to getting shot. If you want to defend yourself, you're taking that risk. I'll reduce the risk by not fighting back.

Like I said above, we need both sides to work together. We needs the cops to get less trigger happy and the public to stop resisting the cops so much. If you mix both of those together, people are going to get shot by cops. If only one side improves, it's not going to help.

I said before, the guy in MN - that's very probably on the cop. Again, it doesn't change the fact that he's dead.

But Alton? Cops told him to get on the ground. He didn't. Cops knew there was supposedly a gun. Guy wasn't complying.

If he had, he'd probably have gone to prison for.......a year? 10 years? I have no idea what the penalty for that is. Instead, he resisted.

And don't even get into "open carry" laws. First of all, convicted felons can't have guns. Period.

Secondly, "open carry" means just that: The gun is openly carried. It does not mean you can conceal it.

Defend yourself in a court of law. Not on the streets, with a cop or 2. You (not you specifically - any of us) lose that battle every time.

I'm not sure what Sterling could have complied with. The video literally shows the cop approach him to the side, and then body slams him into the car. There is literally no reason for a cop to ever do this. Someone would only do this because their sardonic or perceive them as that much of a threat. I'm not sure one this cop was. But there is a segment of the police who perceive black people as threats -- I don't know how large it is, I'd hope it's small, but the evidence suggests else -- these people should no longer be cops. It's mind baffling. Extremely saddening too.

I've read it here myself said by a few, "I've got your back, Swish". Lets see if that's true.

Well said. Fighting in the streets only pushes the likelihood of getting shot, which keeps the cycle going.

Agreed. But you also haven't seen the entire encounter on video. Neither have I, nor anyone else. We only have the eyewitness's statement.

I hope the cops had cameras on them. Whether it shows something good for them, or something bad for them - I hope they had cameras that recorded the ENTIRE encounter.

Supposedly, their cameras fell off during the struggle. The cameras should be able to pickup everything that happened before the fight and any of the talking, hopefully.

Even though swish pretty much hates me, I'd have his back if he had done nothing wrong. Walking down the streets of Archbold, or in Cleveland, or anywhere else.

If he and I are walking down the street and he's not done anything wrong, gets questioned by a cop, I'd say "just answer the questions". Don't fight it. Save that for a day in court.

If we're walking down the street and he's smoking pot, well, not much I can do other than tell him "don't fight it"

I would hope he'd do the same for me. Or you, as well.

Now, swish had told me if he ever met me he'd knock me out, so I don't see us hanging out really.

The KKK doesn't wear hooded sheets or white robes anymore. They are in our police departments our schools, in politics, in the courts. This is what we're seeing. The hatred of Blacks is taught by racists in our schools, our homes, and yes even in police training.

I hadn't heard that. That's unfortunate - either for them, or for justice.

However, we do know what happened in the event. Their cameras should've been on for the pre event. At least, I would think so.

I suppose, in your last sentence, one could insert the word "white" where you have "Blacks" and the same would hold true. This is a societal issue in which we are all responsible.

Speaking of schools, take all the White kids from age 6 on up, lock them in a room and tell them they are bad people and born racists, then give all the Black kids cupcakes and praise.

In a few years, ask those White kids what they think of Black People. Yes, your tax dollars at work.

I get the feeling that you've been told all your life that the police are out to get you. They're not. If you read what I said, I said comply with lawful orders. If the cop thinks you have a gun, he's going to be on guard. If he sees you shifting about in your car before he walks up, he's going to think you're hiding something illegal, or hiding a gun. It's really simple. If a cop wants to search your car just because he thinks he can, I'm going to ask him why, and probably ask him to get a warrant, depending on the situation. People like me are not slaves to the government, but I don't act stupidly in those situations.

I watched the Baton Rouge video, and I can't tell if the guy is reaching for a gun or not. I did not see one where the cops slammed him into a car, so I can't comment on that. I do know that they didn't shoot him right away, and even warned him before they shot.

I have seen no video of the shooting in Minnesota, so I can't comment on that. The only video so far is of the aftermath of the shooting. I hope there is a body camera on the cop, as that is the evidence. If it ever comes out, I will give opinion on that too.

I have been in that type of situation, and the main thing I would suggest is to keep your cool and comply with their lawful orders. Just for you, I will stress lawful orders. Believe it or not, which you are probably in the not category, you can get out of a ticket just be being polite and cooperative. They do appreciate it when you make their job easier. I've even gotten out of a speeding ticket by admitting my guilt and apologizing, all while being polite.

As for stabbing you in the back, if I had cause to do such, please be assured that it would be a quality weapon. Just make sure you never give me cause.

Minnesota governor having a press conference:

Came right out and said he doubts this would've happened if the people in the car were white.

Freaking open season on black people I see. Gotta keep our population at 13 percent since the slavery days.

Might as well bring back the lynchings too.

Don't know. I need more evidence. I told you my story of the cop pulling a gun on me when I had my wallet in my inside jacket pocket. When that gun came out, I stopped moving. That gun was about 6 inches from my head.

I don't know if this is caused by high crime areas, recent problems with police, or what. I do know the cops are more on guard when they are in higher crime areas. I don't have enough details to determine if what the governor said is true.

Black people help that enough on their own by shooting each other and aborting.

And if you were black he wouldn't have given you a chance to not move. That's the difference. That little bit.

White people with guns = Patriots and true model citizens.

Black people with guns = thugs and animals and need to be put down.

That's the message we receive everyday in America.

That's fine. If that's how it's gonna be, then we won't disappoint.

There is no way you can prove that, and for the record, the cop was female. Don't you think that part of the problem is in the attitude of people like swish, who are determined to fight the cops?

If we could measure stress levels at the scene, I wonder what the stress levels would be for a cop, Black or White, as he approaches a car driven by a White person vs a Black person?

I'll have to relay that to my neighbor, a black guy with a CC license. He's been busted by the cops before, with his weapon on his person, and he keeps his hands from it, and informs the cops where it is. I actually watched this one night, as he's a good guy and I wanted to make sure he was treated fairly.

That would be an interesting study, and it shouldn't be hard to do. You should ask for a government grant. I know my blood pressure would go up if I was approaching a car with darkened windows and found the occupants being rude.

As I think about your post, a thought came to my mind. (scary, I know)

Yes, what would a cops stress level be on approaching a car with tinted windows, etc. Black occupant, white occupant, doesn't matter.

Guess what? My stress level increases when I pass a cop, even if I had been doing nothing wrong. It really goes up if I had been doing something wrong.

I'm white. Truthfully, I would imagine if I were black, it would go up a bit more.

Not to the point of fleeing, or attacking, or resisting.

Arch, I know you're being honest here, in that you believe what you are saying, but you DO NOT know how you would feel, how you would act, if you grew up black. We don't know how we would be different if our circumstances were different. We can never know that.

Honestly, I think Swish has made a lot of valid statements. And even though there are 330 million people in this country, and plenty of opportunities for police officers to screw up every day, there are a lot, a LOT of cases where it is a white cop and a black male ends up dead.

The training is all effed up for this to keep happening. The policemen involved here HAVE to be aware of what has been going on across the country the past few years. How could they not be exercising better judgment in these cases?!

Close but no cigar...

White people with guns legally for self defense.
Black people with guns legally for self defense.
White people with guns illegally robbing innocent folks of their hard earned money.
Black People with guns illegally shooting up the city streets each night.

Use that to fill in your "how it is" story.

The fact is that everyone is human. As with any large group of humans, you have good and bad within that group. For anyone to act as if they are all good or all bad, that is most certainly a fantasy. Of course some will be racists, some will be overaggressive, some will let power go to their heads. You will find those traits within every large group of people. That's simply human nature. To deny that is naïve at best and ignorance at the worst.

Time to go back to the gun store and get a rifle.

Can't depend on the cops in our communities, gotta protect it ourselves.

Can't do anything right in this country.

Obey the directions from the cops and still get popped? Time to stay strapped again. Gun in the house, gun in the car, gun on my waist.

I guess you guys were right, guns is for fighting the government

Time to fight the lowest lowel of government now, since it's open season on minorities.

Maybe you should go chant with BLM and lay down in the street in a fake coffin.

Maybe, but I don't know anybody in cleveland with a fake coffin

When I saw them, they were making them out of cardboard. Im sure BLM has a website. It would be more productive than complaining here.

Does this mean we are a bit closer to that there Civil War I been callin fer???

I'm all giddy inside.

By the way, if those cops are guilty, we can use my truck to haul their murdering arses off to jail.

Peaceful protest doesn't work.

Ever.

Wasn't it Charles Manson who was trying to incite a race war?