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She survived for a long time and was popular after the election, McCain became a dolt.

popular with who? a few conservatives?

even other conservatives and republican leadership has been clowning her.

if she's that popular, why hasn't she been voted into any other office since then?

McCain went back to battling in congress. regardless on if i agree with him or not.

dude will always be a war hero. i respect the hell out of McCain.

Are you sure you respect him. I mean since he was a prisoner he's not a war hero. That's what Trump said anyway.

When trump explains how he dodged the draft while being perfectly healthy today, then i'll take anything he says seriously.

I respect McCain for what he endured. What does what Trump said have anything to do with it?

I think you're right Arch. It appears no matter what the GOP nominee says that nobody seems to care. And many don't see that as troubling.

Newt Gingrich calls for Muslim test, talks about Pence as VP

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/newt-gingric...bly-mike-pence/

Hours after a truck ran down and killed at least 80 people and injured scores more in Nice, Newt Gingrich called for a Muslim test.

In an appearance on Fox News Channel's "Hannity," Gingrich said that every person "who is of a Muslim background" in America should face a test.

"We should frankly test every person here who is of a Muslim background and if they believe in Sharia, they should be deported," he told host Sean Hannity. "Sharia is incompatible with western civilization. Modern Muslims, who have given up Sharia -- glad to have them as citizens. Perfectly happy to have them next door."

Further, the act of visiting a website that favors ISIS or al Qaeda should be a felony, Gingrich declared.

"We are behaving as though we are insane," he railed. "We're like sheep wondering why the wolves keep killing us."

He also called for mosques to be monitored for signs of jihadists. "Let me be very clear. You have to monitor the mosques," Gingrich said. "I mean if you're not prepared to monitor the mosques, this whole thing is a joke. Where do you think the primary source of recruitment is? Where do you think the primary place of indoctrination is?"

Truck plows into crowd in Nice, France
Truck plows into crowd in Nice, France
And Gingrich also suggested that not only should every "internet-based source of terrorism" be shut down. If that's not possible, he called for more drastic action.

"We should destroy them with kinetic power, using various weapons starting with predators and frankly just killing them," he said.

Gingrich also talked with Hannity about Trump's running mate selection, saying he has not been told he's not Trump's pick. "At least at the moment, it certainly looks like it's going to be my good friend, Governor Mike Pence," Gingrich said, adding, "We're very close colleagues."

Gingrich thought the announcement still might come Friday or perhaps Monday, although Trump said that he was calling off Friday's scheduled announcement of his vice president after the attack in Nice. He may not have spoken with Trump, but Gingrich did talk with Pence.

"We chatted for a while about how we're going to help each other whatever comes out of this because we're both committed to victory over Hillary Clinton," he said.

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lolz.

so im just gonna address some of the common sense issues with regards to this hypothetical policy:

A: What's to stop anybody from simply lying on this test? It's about as effective as asking anybody if they're muslim or not.

B: How do you deport American citizens, again?

So let me get this straight, he wants to protect the constitution by invoking a policy that goes against the constitution?

uhhhhhhhh ok?

I know you know this, but I think Pit is referring to something Trump said a while back about POW's (including McCain) someone said he was a hero for his time as a POW and Trump said he liked those that don't get caught better.

Anyway, that was another in a long line of dumb thing that Trump said.

So.......because Trump said what he said about McCain..........based on that, nobody cares?

Shall we get into Hillary's statements, and then assume her supporters agree with what she said in the past? Wow, we could have a blast with this.

Is that where we want to go?

I mean "what difference does it make"? Right?

Hillary flat out lied in testimony to the FBI, just recently........yet her supporters ignore that, and, using your logic, support it.

Thanks captain obvious. Yes, I knew what he was referring to. (pit, that is).

My question still stands: Why does what Trump said about McCain mean a Trump supporter agrees with that statement?

There wasn't a need to be Rude Arch.. totally uncalled for.

I didn't give you the name. But I will apologize. Sorry.

Firstly Arch, you won't get an argument from me about Hillary. I don't believe either of those two are worthy to be the president of The United States of America. It's a shame on this nation that it's come to this.

But I find your debate on Trump to be silly. He's made fun of a man with a severe disability. He's said and attacked people based on their looks. He attacked McCain because he was a POW. You can't say you support and will vote for a candidate while simply overlooking the things he's said. They are one in the same.

This isn't a case of political correctness. This isn't a case of an isolated incident. This is a constant tendency to be a rude, crude and callus individual. Treating anyone and everyone who opposes him like a school yard bully.

It's a sad day for our nation when the top two political parties give us a choice of Clinton or Trump. It's high time the voters display their disgust by promoting a third party. It's time we quit promoting people unfit to hold the office.

Have you read the book about Hillary, written by a retired SS agent?

She has about as much respect for her fellow citizens as an anteater does for an anthill.

Usually when someone supports someone, they also support what they say and do.

yes,

except what somebody says in a book is vastly different than it literally coming from the horses' mouth.

on Twitter, no less.

I can write a book defending <insert person>, or find a book saying how highly <insert person> character is.

that cancels out whatever book you read.

but what Trump is saying is coming directly out of his mouth, either on live TV or on Twitter.

you can't deflect and spin out of that one.

and he makes it literally impossible to interpret what he says in any other way.

it's why these politicians have to constantly defend and play damage control over everything he says.

I know exactly where Trump stands on all these issues as I have heard him say those things. How refreshing even when I don't agree with him.

I laugh to myself at the folks who prefer their polished politicians spewing exactly what you want to hear, in the most PC way possible. You are fooled by it every time.

here we go with the PC excuse again lolololololol.

hide behind PC everytime your boy says something stupid.

Trump was right:

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters," Trump said at a campaign rally here.

and there is 40, Arch, and other posters proving him right.

Says the person still voting for a major party lmao

So, no exceptions allowed, right? I'm not a Trump "supporter", I will never vote for Hillary, but I may decide to vote for someone else.

But, are you insinuating that anyone that votes for or supports Hillary agrees with everything she's said and done? If so, you're 2 faced. If that's NOT what you're saying, then why hold that statement (that I can't believe anyone would endorse - Trumps statement, that is)

Trump made a dumb statement. If you assume that anyone that supports Trump endorses that statement.......wow.

Better yet, extrapolate that out to ANY politician we've had in my life time.

Reading comprehension problems, or ignorance, or just despising me?

Which is it?

I think what trump said about McCain was dumb. I thought that as soon as I heard him say it, I think that now.

And if Trump shot someone - I don't care what "avenue" it was on, if he had no legal reason to do so, I'd put him in jail for murder.

So, what is it with you? Reading comprehension, ignorance, or just the fact that you despise me?

Once again you're making an argument that doesn't exist with me. Neither of these people deserve to be president. What part of that are you missing?

To say, "Well the other one is worse", in no way mitigates how terrible the other one is.

The responses on twitter to the Trump/Pence logo is hilarious.

its the fact that instead of saying what he said about McCain was dumb, you DEFLECTED and ran your mouth about hilary.

you didn't address what he said about mccain until we was already blasting you about it.

NOW you finally said something. what was so damn hard about saying that the first time?

you completely came across as defending trump's actions. do you not get that?

I know exactly what Trump is thinking and saying, no reason to dig thru the past or read between the lines like the people you fall in line with as they tickle your ears with lies and mislead you with PC talk.

You are now to the point where you can't even realize that Political Correctness even exists!

Drink their Koolaid, drink it all up.

You don't have to be a polished politician not to be an arse hole.

I realize PC exist.

but unlike you, i also realize that some conservatives like you have tried to weaponize the PC excuse every time somebody says something dumb.

thats not falling in line, that's pointing out reality.

but i get it, you hardcore right wingers don't deal with reality.

The assumption was that any Trump supporter supported his stupid statement about McCain.

That's not true.

And like I said, no way I will ever vote for Hillary. If that makes me a trump supporter in anyone's eyes, so be it. Doesn't make it true.

if you don't agree with what trump has to say then say it.

stop dancing around the issue like some dude with no back bone.

take a freaking stance. You see damn near everybody else did. We ain't tolerating it. So long as Gary is running, thats my boy.

I told yall, if Hilary's name was involved with that panama leak crap, i wouldn't vote for her.

So long as Gary stays in the race, i'm not voting for her.

Guess what Arch? you don't have to defend either or. you can blast both. i know it's something new, but trying stepping outside. the sun is shining bright, and there's a gentle breeze in the air. it's ok bro.

So, I've already said I don't agree with what he said. Yet you want to keep hammering it.

Perhaps you should/could take your own advice?

then be upfront about it.

that's all im saying.

You speak of reality as Trump says what he means and means what he says. How refreshing it is. Vote for him or not, he is not trying to fool anyone. He presents himself to you, fangs, claws and all.

Who else has done this in my lifetime? Reagan? Yea, Reagan.
Reagan was more polished because he was a politician where Trump is not.

Boo Hoo you all have cried over the years! We need Change! We need an outsider to Washington! We need someone who tells it like he sees it!

Like rats to their safe place, that Guy comes along and you all run away to the Insider Polished politicians who got us into this mess in the first place!

I've never said anything about needing an outsider.

I've laid my argument about how government naturally corrupts anybody who enters it, and as such, we all have to choose what we are willing to tolerate as long as progress is made.

Trump is turning into a politician right before our eyes, and you're ignoring it. You honestly thought there was gonna be a difference between the politician being bought and the rich jerk doing the buying?

lol.

it's refreshing to hear a candidate say what he means.

it sucks that Trump is saying all the WRONG things. just because he says what he means doesn't mean WHATSOEVER that what he's saying is right.

just because someone is a straight talker doesn't mean what they are saying is correct. great. he doesn't dance around issues.

that means what if i still don't agree with what he has to say? nothing.

English Lesson Time!

Usually, means usually. It does not mean "All the time" or else we'd say, "All the time."

Extrapolate does not mean how you've been using it for the past week. I didn't want to say it when you were flailing in the stats talk, especially since the involved parties dropped the subject. But man, look up that word in the dictionary plz.

Also Pitt asked you a fair question. He thought you supported Trump and wondered if you supported his statement as well. Again, people who support people usually support what they say and do. You just freaked out on everyone.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/extrapolate

Yeah, I'm pretty much right.

Yeah,,LOL they seem to think it's suggestive!

I kind of thought TP, meaning Toilet Paper LOL

interesting. i dunno if it's solely because of the attack, or if he was really unsure of the guy. regardless, the pick has been made.


Trump was reportedly calling people at midnight asking if he could change VP pick

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-reportedly-calling-people-midnight-190030574.html

When Indiana Gov. Mike Pence 's plane touched down in New York Thursday, his naming as Donald Trump 's vice presidential pick appeared locked up.

However, NBC News reports that Trump continued to deliberate late into the evening, waffling over his running mate selection up until midnight and asking aides if he could change his pick.



The reports are surprising given Trump previously announced he would be naming his vice presidential pick Friday at 11 a.m. in New York City, and reports from Thursday evening seemed to confirm Trump had chosen Pence.

CNN Reporter Dana Bash reported the news as well.



Word of Trump's indecision adds credence to claims that Trump's inner circle was divided over the VP appointment, with reports circulating that top aide Paul Manafort was in favor of Pence while influential son-in-law Jared Kushner was in favor of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich . New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was also among the finalists on the shortlist.

Around 7 p.m. Thursday, Trump tweeted out that he had canceled his news conference regarding his vice presidential pick, saying it was in light of the deadly truck attack in Nice, France.



However, by Friday morning — perhaps spurred by an impending electoral filing deadline Pence faced — Trump took to Twitter again to make the formal announcement .

J/C ..... I think that Pence is a great VP choice for Trump.

A VP can be selected for a lot of different reasons, and one of those is to shore up weaknesses in the Presidential candidate. Well, where is TRump weakest?

1) Understanding the legislative process, and how to get his agenda through the Congress.

2) Experience in government.

3) He's too "moderate".

4) There are questions about his true level of faith.

5) He flies off the handle too much.

Pence helps with all of these. Trump could have picked Newt, but man, that would have been the most bombastic ticket of the past century. Trump doesn't need an "attack dog" VP, he needs someone who presents a calm and reassuring image on the ticket. Pence helps Trump in many areas of weakness.

He is calm and measured in his speech. He is a man of faith. He is on the right side of the political spectrum, and was in the Tea Party Caucus, which will appeal to those on the right. (who might otherwise vote for someone else, or not vote at all) Pence has been involved in government at both the federal and state levels. He has been involved in foreign affairs, and the judiciary while in Congress. He has both legislative and executive experience. He is also a younger man, at 57, which is also a plus. A Trump/Newt ticket would have been a very old ticket. (Trump is 70 and Gingrich is 73) I think that he's a good choice who helps balance out Trump in a lot of ways, and he should appeal to Republicans.

I still cannot see myself voting for Trump, but I do think that he got this decision right.