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Naquin reminds me of Grady Sizemore.

I think that Naquin will be a .300, 30-35 HR guy next year, and who knows, maybe he hits 25 HR this year. (or more) He has 12 HR in less than the last 2 months. He could hit 25. He has also started to cut down on the Ks. He is seeing the ball better and better, and is a really good bad pitch hitter. Pitches where it appears that he struck himself out chasing have left the yard.

Anyway, I don't trade a guy who can hit for average and power, and who can play a solid CF at the Major League level. I think that he has the ability to move up in the lineup next year, and could be a 5 or 6 hitter. (depending on what happens with Santana and Napoli next year) I would be more inclined to trade either Frazier or Zimmer. There is also word that some potential trade partners have scouted the tall lefty (whose name escapes me now) who we took in one of the recent drafts. I might be inclined to give up a Class A pitcher, given the condition of our rotation, both talent and contract status.

That's my $0.02 worth.

Buster Olney was guest host on Mike and Mike this morning and said the Indians are the most complete team in the AL...

we are..very few holes, catcher is one of them, and if you can grab Lucroy, you just made yourself a much better team, our catchers rank at the bottom of the majors, plus he has a club friendly deal for next year as well. He's an upgrade to every catcher we have and could be insurance at 1b if napoli/santana struggle or have injuries. But if we can get a C and a lefty reliever, with who we have now and our bench, we should be rolling downhill till october. This has a little bit of 2007 feel to it, hopefully with better results but this team seems to find ways to win, I think the biggest key has been our early offense, giving our excellent starting rotation a lead to work with so they can go out and take some chances and be successful

I agree ... the tribe is the best team in the AL ... and Boston is 2nd best, followed by Texas and Toronto

The only way I'd consider it is if we feel this is our best shot at a World Series. I wouldn't blame the FO if that is their feeling - it is rare to have a pitching rotation, especially in Cleveland, like we do this year. The window for winning a championship for a team like the Indians is very, very limited IMO. This year seems to be as good of chance as any, and while I wouldn't like losing Naquin I would understand if we got someone to replace Shaw as a setup guy and a catcher. Sometimes teams like the Indians may need to sacrifice a little of the future for today which sucks as I really like Naquin. My .02.

I'd like Miller from the Yanks, and Lucroy. Definitely willing to part with any piece in the farm system, but not giving up anyone doing well at the major league level.

My last two games of my package are next week. Been a fantastic summer for baseball in Cleveland.

Yeah, Naquin has legitimately worked his way into the Rookie of the Year conversation.



If Naquin keeps it up (HRs/AB) he will threaten “Super Joe” Charboneau’s Indians rookie record of 23 home runs.

If he does manage to win Rookie of the Year, let’s hope he doesn’t break Charboneau’s other rookie record:

“Fewest Career Games by a Rookie of the Year Winner” (just another example of the Cleveland Curse)

I've got a Super Joe tee shirt somewhere! I need to see if I can dig it up. Haven't seen it in a while, hope it didn't get lost during one of my moves....

quote above by columbus:

"I've got a Super Joe tee shirt somewhere!"

That's some decent Tribe paraphernalia.



(1980 - Note all the empty seats - in the lower section no less)

Considering he's not wearing a helmet, I'm assuming this was a staged photo before the game or taken during batting practice.. so the empty seats doesn't surprise me... though it probably wasn't much more full than that in the 4th inning either

I remember going to Indians games when I was much younger, and we would move all over the stadium, checking out seats all over the place.

There was never much competition for seats.

So believe it or not, I have a Albert Bell caramel candy bar still in my freezer.
I can't bring myself to eat or throw away thinking it might be worth something.
Do you think its worth anything?- LOL

My brother-in-law and I still joke about those days, "if you didn't leave the stadium with at least one foul ball, you weren't trying."

I remember when an Indians player would hit a home run and the fireworks would go off... more pigeons than fans

Remember one game during '81 season after teams come back after mini strike. My lady friend and I sitting third base side,very few attending game especially where we settled in,we start expressing our affection to each other than a fan a few sections away comes to us saying camera focused on us. We look up and camera man giving us a thumbs up while nodding his head with a big smile.

Remember this Indian rookie phenom?

(next to Joe Carter)



His only trouble in '87 (his sophomore year) was that he batted .236, struck-out 166 times (with only 31 walks).

Sports Illustarted picked Indians to win the AL East.

Instead they finished 61-101.

Tough summer.

Uh oh...

Did anyone else notice?

Cody Anderson was called back up yesterday.

Somehow, he even pitched 1 1/3 scoreless innings last night (despite giving up 4 hits - that's hard to do)

Not a good sign.

Like to see a change in the batting order for a few game .. Kip , Lindor , Naquin , Nap , Ramirez , Lonnie , see what might happen !

Ugh. Gotta get this turned back around here.

Cleveland Indians have Terry Talkin how there are real prospects to trade for Jonathan Lucroy -- Terry Pluto




By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer
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on July 23, 2016 at 8:30 AM


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Let's start with the fact that Cleveland Indians president Chris Antonetti will make some type of deal near the August 1 trading deadline.

That's because he has always made a midseason deal since taking over the baseball operations in 2010.

His protege is Mike Chernoff, and the Indians general manager also is intimately involved in trade talks.

Let's also realize Antonetti is not afraid to make a big deal.

As the 2011 trade deadline approached, the Indians were 53-51 ... only 1 1/2 games behind the Detroit Tigers in the Central Division.
Antonetti traded four prospects -- three of them significant -- for pitcher Ubaldo Jimenez.

The deal didn't immediately pay off. The Indians finished 80-82 and the Tigers roared to a 95-67 record and the Central Division title.
Here's a look at that trade with Colorado:

1. Drew Pomeranz was the Tribe's 2010 first-round pick. He has a career 22-31 record with a 3.74 ERA. The lefty has battled some arm problems. He was in the bullpen for a time. He finally broke through this season with a 8-7 record and 2.43 for San Diego. He was just traded to Boston.

2. Alex White was the Tribe's 2009 first-round pick. He suffered an Adam Miller-type finger injury when still with the Tribe. Miller was a top Cleveland prospect in the middle 2000s before that injury. White then had major arm problems. His career big league record is 5-13 with a 6.03 ERA. He is no longer in professional baseball.

3. Joe Gardner was a third-round pick in 2009. He never made it past Class AA.

4. Matt McBride was a marginal prospect as an outfielder. He has a career .196 big league average in 192 at bats.

5. At the time of the deal, Baseball America ranked the Tribe's prospects this way: White (No. 2), Pomeranz (No. 4) and Gardner (No. 9). So Antonetti traded three of his top nine prospects for Jimenez.

6. I remember hating the Jimenez deal when it was announced. Three top pitching prospects for a guy whose career was trending in the wrong direction.

While Jimenez was up and down and all-over-the-place for the Tribe, he helped them to the 2013 wild card. The trade worked out for the Tribe.


THE BIG FREE AGENTS

Antonetti was the general manager when the Indians committed $104 million to sign Nick Swisher and Michael Bourn before the 2013 season. Antonetti knew it was risky. He knew both of those contracts could haunt him -- as they eventually did for a few years.


But Antonetti also knew that 2013 was a key season with Terry Francona coming in as manager. The Indians had lost at least 93 games in three of the previous four years.

Something had to change. Bourn, Swisher and Jimenez all helped the Indians to a 92-70 record in 2013. It paid off, at least in the short term.

Signing both of those free agents for $104 million is the kind of move that can lead to a young executive being fired. By 2014, the contracts had backfired.

Antonetti and Chernoff then put together a trade with Atlanta's John Hart to clear the roster of Bourn and Swisher.

My point is that Antonetti is not afraid of risks.

TRADING FOR LUCROY
The Indians public stance is they are pleased with catchers Roberto Perez and Chris Gimenez. Their main goal is to help the bullpen.
But I take the Jonathan Lucroy rumors seriously.

The Brewers plan to trade their catcher somewhere as they search for prospects. Here's what makes Lucroy attractive to the Tribe:

1. He's batting .305 (.854 OPS) with 12 HR. He's a career .285 hitter. He's throwing out 38 percent of stealing base runners. He's an All-Star catcher who fills two needs -- an excellent receiver and a right-handed bat with some pop.

2. He's making $4 million this season and has a team option for $5.25 million in 2017. So he is not just a rental for the rest of 2016.

3. Yan Gomes did sign a long-term deal, but it's not excessive in the early seasons. Gomes is making $2.5 million this season. In 2017, it rises to $4.5 million. So the Tribe could have Lucroy and Gomes as catchers next year -- the total payroll slightly less than $10 million.
That is not expensive in modern baseball.

4. The rest of Gomes contract is: $6 million (2018), $7 million (2019) and $9 million with $1 million guaranteed (2020). Maybe Milwaukee would want Gomes in return, counting on a bounce-back for the 29-year-old.

5. My point is Gomes should not be a barrier for this trade.

6. Milwaukee also has three good relievers -- Will Smith, Tyler Thornburg and Jeremy Jeffress. None of them can be a free agent before 2020. So it's easy to see how this could become a bigger deal -- Lucroy and a reliever.

7. The price would be high in terms of prospects. We keep hearing about prized outfielders BradZimmer and Clint Frazier being targeted by other teams. But the Indians have so much more. They really do have prospects to trade.

8. Mike Clevinger is 9-1 with a 2.82 ERA at Class AAA Columbus. Teams love to find pitchers who are legitimate prospects for a starting rotation. Lefty Justus Sheffield is only 20. Scouts love him. He is 7-4 with a 3.53 ERA at Class A Lynchburg.

9. Erik Gonzalez is now with the Tribe. He is an excellent middle infield prospect, and the Tribe is loaded at second and short with Jason Kipnis, Francisco Lindor and Jose Ramirez. The Indians believe Gonzalez can be an elite defensive shortstop.


10. At Columbus, Yandy Diaz is batting .328 with 4 HR and 23 RBI. In the last 10 games, he's hitting .429. He's a Cuban who was signed by the Tribe in 2014 and has quickly climbed the minor league ladder. He is playing the outfield now, but is a natural third baseman.

11. Also at Columbus is Gio Urshela. He is a superb defensive third baseman. He had a miserable start to the season, but is batting .372 in the last 10 games. On the year, Urshela is up to .255 (.627 OPS) with 6 HR and 31 RBI. Obviously, the Indians need a third baseman to replace Juan Uribe. They have two viable candidates in Diaz and Urshela. They could trade one.

12. Scouts are enamored with the power of Bobby Bradley, who is batting .262 (.869 OPS) with 17 HR and 70 RBI at the age of 20. He is at Class A Lynchburg. Also at Lynchburg, catcher Francisco Mejia is batting .345 with 8 HR and 61 RBI.

13. Antonetti and Chernoff want to keep all these guys -- but they do have players to trade. That's why I believe the talks with Milwaukee have potential, as do other trade talks. The Indians have enough prospects in the farm system (including some I didn't mention at the lower levels) to put together an enticing package as part of a bold trade.

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index...rt_river_index

gotta get one today

It's all falling apart

Make a move

I think the Indians will be making a move for Chapman and another bat

Slow down Tigers.

Today is the final day of a 9-game road trip. The Indians are 4-4.

The best teams in baseball are lucky to end the season .500 on the road.

The old adage (to compete for the pennant) is .500 on the road, 2/3rds at home.

Not just the loss ; It's how bad they look losing !

Glad to be done with Baltimore for the year.

Time to get back home and put together a winning streak.

On the trade rumors...

Bruce Levine
@MLBBruceLevine
MLB source- the Cleveland Indians have the best names on the table for Aroldis Chapman. Deal could be close Washington also very aggressive

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well baltimore proved to be a thorn in the side of cleveland ... tribe must be happy to be done with them

Chapman is a pure 1 year rental. I wonder what we're looking at in trading for him.

I hope we get Lucroy. I don't want to give up Naquin though. We could put together a nice minor league package for him though.

if they give up naquin for lucroy this FO is dumber than led to believe.

still have another game with them today

tribe lost 5-3

You're right, Chapman would be a one year rental, but if the team makes a move for him I have to appreciate the Dolans going all in on this season. The Tribe has a small window. Sometimes you have to go for it. Chapman closing games out in the playoffs (not to get ahead of ourselves) would be awesome. Move Allen to the setup role.

I can't imagine they give up Naquin. It would make little sense. Just don't see it happening.

As for Lucroy, that talk/rumor seems to have quieted down. I heard this discussed on the radio, how often is a new catcher acquired mid-season for a playoff team? Further, how would this impact the rotation as Lucroy is not familiar at all with our pitchers? Perez and Giminez, while struggling at the plate, know our pitchers.

I have seen reports the Tribe had been in "discussion" with the Padres for Melvin Upton.

Childhood buddy of mine is pitching tonight for the Cards. He got rocked pretty bad in the 1st inning. It sucks, I was texting him before the game too and he was incredibly hyped for his first start.

That's gotta be a surreal feeling. First start against LA in primetime on ESPN.

Tough first outing ... but it'll get better I'm sure

Damn that's depressing