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I think that not only is she hot, she's by far the smartest one of the bunch. If only the Donald Trump she described was actually running for president. You have to factor in that she is his daughter.

I do feel a little better about him possibly winning if she will be in the day to day somehow. I think the kids might rein him in a lot. Don't like Pence at all, too wingnut for me.

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Originally Posted By: Dawg_LB
The highlight last night was by far Ivanka. Too bad Donald couldn't build off her great performance. Honestly, I thought Trumps speech was pretty dull.

His daughter though, she nailed it!


IMO, I like Ivanka. I liked her speech and I liked the way she carried herself.

And I also do NOT credit Donald for much of that because he's said, he paid for the kids, but left the raising of the kids to their mothers. Sounds like all three of his wives are good parents.

But I'd vote for Ivanka when her time comes I think..


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Originally Posted By: Dawg_LB
The highlight last night was by far Ivanka. Too bad Donald couldn't build off her great performance. Honestly, I thought Trumps speech was pretty dull.

His daughter though, she nailed it!

I disagree, the highlight for me was Peter Thiel. What an awesome story and an awesome speech.

An openly gay man, outspoken republican, getting a standing ovation at the RNC, while talking about gay rights.. for the life of me I can't imagine why I don't see more about it in the media this morning.. rofl


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because a token speaker means what?

you don't think the DNC is gonna have people, who are a part of a demographic that doesn't typically vote democrat, have somebody up there with a nice song and dance?

Now i see how jim jones pulled the koolaid stunt off.


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I think that not only is she hot, she's by far the smartest one of the bunch. If only the Donald Trump she described was actually running for president. You have to factor in that she is his daughter.

I do feel a little better about him possibly winning if she will be in the day to day somehow. I think the kids might rein him in a lot. Don't like Pence at all, too wingnut for me.

See, this is by far my biggest challenge in this election..

On one hand you have Hillary, who is a professional politician, she says the things she's supposed to say, she avoids big gaffes in her speeches, she walks the line really well... but I've heard and read from many people over the last 30 years that behind the scenes, in person, she is a total witch. She views those around her as inferior and just generally treats people very badly.

On the other hand you have Trump, who is bold and often obnoxious in his speeches, says things that are really mean-spirited and just plain "out there", and comes across as a total ass. Yet from those who work or have worked for him, those who were on his show, those who seem to know him really well, they mostly seem to have a great deal of respect for him and that includes lower income folks, minorities, women, everybody the media would have you believe he hates.


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The highlight last night was by far Ivanka. Too bad Donald couldn't build off her great performance. Honestly, I thought Trumps speech was pretty dull.

His daughter though, she nailed it!

I disagree, the highlight for me was Peter Thiel. What an awesome story and an awesome speech.

An openly gay man, outspoken republican, getting a standing ovation at the RNC, while talking about gay rights.. for the life of me I can't imagine why I don't see more about it in the media this morning.. rofl


Hard to retort that. I was clapping after his speech at home on the couch. It was unexpected, which is why maybe it was so powerful. Give the media a bit to get past all the "Trump did this right/Trump did this wrong" crap opinions and I bet the headline becomes popular. Thiel will get positive media attention, just wait for the cloud of crap to pass over.

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I have to laugh sometimes ......

Men in the women's restroom is fine, but a man who has faith, and who tries to live out that faith in his private and public life is a "wingnut". crazy

I think that says it all about where we are as a country.


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I have never in my life seen one person get more press than Donald Trump, and I'm already 50 years old. I asked my dad in question form the same thing, and he's 80 years old, and he said he hasn't either. Honestly? It's quite nauseating. I'm sick of him and won't vote for him nor Hillary either. That's the best we can do? Really?

My prediction is Trump will win. But regardless of who does, sooner or later it will be a one world government, New World Order. IMHO

-Happy so far no truly horrible stuff has happened downtown. We don't need that after our Cavs won it all and made Cleveland proud. You know?

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I would also add this:

The NBA cannot play their All Star game in NC because of a law that says that men cannot use the women's bathroom .... but they are fine with playing in the state with the highest murder rate in the country.

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord

That's how screwed up this country is.


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Why is it screwed up?

People try doing something about gun violence. It gets blocked all the time by bought politicians by the NRA.

This law with bathrooms just happened. The nba can't do anything about the murder rates. Murder happens in every state.

But the law? It's in NC.

So they moved.

Capitalism. Free market. Suck it up.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
People try doing something about gun violence. It gets blocked all the time by bought politicians by the NRA.


After all, those gun laws work so well in places like France.


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They do work well in France.

Should we start comparing gun death rates by country again? You already know you'll be on the losing side of that argument, yet again.

Anyway,

I'm not talking about a full ban on guns. But the guns, poverty, etc. all of that could be fixed.

Our politicians don't want to fix it. Murders happen in every state. So the nba can't avoid murder rates. But they can absolutely make a statement about the laws like in NC.

And they did that. I applaud them for it.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
They do work well in France.



Tell that to the families of the people in the Bataclan. The reason why they worked before is that the French people didn't think they needed guns. Those death rates you are touting are going to change very soon.


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So one, or a couple of isolated incidents should be enough to change the gun policy that has, and continues to work so well?

sorry, but that's stupid.

I need a link for the gun death rates changing soon. I'm sure you can find one for me.


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People try doing something about gun violence. It gets blocked all the time by bought politicians by the NRA.


After all, those gun laws work so well in places like France.


They also work so well in places like DC, Chicago, and others.

Well .. off to the dentist. I'm taking my gun, and telling him; "If I get hurt, we both get hurt". rofl


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
I would also add this:

The NBA cannot play their All Star game in NC because of a law that says that men cannot use the women's bathroom .... but they are fine with playing in the state with the highest murder rate in the country.

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord

That's how screwed up this country is.


I find it odd how you openly seem to stand up for the rights of Pence to uphold his beliefs even in the political arena.

Yet you seem to feel somewhat offended when the NBA stands on their principals.

It seems to me you only laud people standing up for their beliefs when it matches your own.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
So one, or a couple of isolated incidents should be enough to change the gun policy that has, and continues to work so well?

sorry, but that's stupid.

I need a link for the gun death rates changing soon. I'm sure you can find one for me.


When I said soon, I meant in the near future. I'll post them when I see them. As for the problem at hand:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...tre-Munich.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/france-truck-attack-planned-months-accomplices-013531357.html?ref=gs


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Why is it screwed up?

People try doing something about gun violence. It gets blocked all the time by bought politicians by the NRA.

This law with bathrooms just happened. The nba can't do anything about the murder rates. Murder happens in every state.

But the law? It's in NC.

So they moved.

Capitalism. Free market. Suck it up.


Pelicans vs Rockets to highlight 10th Edition of NBA exhibition games in China because you know, China is so far ahead of NC on human rights.

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I don't remember the truck dude using s gun.

He used a truck.

I guess by your logic, everybody in France needs big trucks. It's the only way to defend against a truck attack.

Your argument is weak.


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I don't remember the truck dude using s gun.

He used a truck.

I guess by your logic, everybody in France needs big trucks. It's the only way to defend against a truck attack.

Your argument is weak.


Actually, it is sound logic... if all of those people were in large trucks at the time, this could not have happened.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
I don't remember the truck dude using s gun.

He used a truck.

I guess by your logic, everybody in France needs big trucks. It's the only way to defend against a truck attack.

Your argument is weak.


Hundreds, if not thousands, of people were out in the streets, celebrating Bastille Day with fireworks and a beachfront concert.
After the last firework fizzled, an apparent lone driver in a large white truck first opened fire into the crowd before plowing through horrified tourists and residents along one of the city's main thoroughfares.


He was shooting first and had other guns and ammunition in the truck


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Businesses are allowe to do whatever they want.

You can call them hypocrites. Just like we can call religious people hypocrites.

The NBA can't control what happens in other countries. They can't really control what happens in the states, but it's a lot easier to make a point in your home country than abroad.

I know you don't agree,must it doesn't matter. It's already done.

Suck it up.


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And yet, the deaths came from bodies getting dropped by a truck.

Let me know when the gun death rates shoot up consistently.

Til then, y'all don't have an argument.

Y'all remind me of that incident in Olso. Y'all were complaining that Norway doesn't have a death penalty. And should change their policy based off one incident.

Knee jerk doesn't even begin to describe you guys.

Here's a thought: other countries don't want to be like America and have everybody strapped with guns.

I know it's a crazy thought, but I promise you, it's legit.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
I don't remember the truck dude using s gun.

He used a truck.

I guess by your logic, everybody in France needs big trucks. It's the only way to defend against a truck attack.

Your argument is weak.


You didn't read well enough. He was shooting people as he drove over them. He also had multiple guns and grenades in the truck. Who's argument is weak now?


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Read my response to DC.

Your argument is weak.


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Businesses are allowe to do whatever they want.

You can call them hypocrites. Just like we can call religious people hypocrites.

The NBA can't control what happens in other countries. They can't really control what happens in the states, but it's a lot easier to make a point in your home country than abroad.

I know you don't agree,must it doesn't matter. It's already done.

Suck it up.

You know, tacking "suck it up" on the end of your posts when I'm trying to have a reasonable conversation just makes you look childish, like you are looking for the fight.

I'm not biting this time, if you want to fight and defend hypocrisy, I'll let somebody else fight with you.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
And yet, the deaths came from bodies getting dropped by a truck.


Yea. I guess he never practiced aiming while trying to control a 19 ton truck that obviously had the tires slicked by blood and guts.


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Why? I get told on this board to get over it all the time.

Get over it= suck it up.

Nobody is trying to bait you into anything. Dunno why you had to add "I'm not biting" but if you wanna play victims, I'll let somebody else entertain you.


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Why? I get told on this board to get over it all the time.

Not by me.


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And yet, the deaths came from bodies getting dropped by a truck.


Yea. I guess he never practiced aiming while trying to control a 19 ton truck that obviously had the tires slicked by blood and guts.


Is practicing something you'd recommend in the future?

We need more 19 ton trucks. It's the only way to prevent a terrorist attack with a 19 ton truck.

I recommend mac trucks. Some people like freightliner

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That's true.

So I apologize for that.


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Is practicing something you'd recommend in the future?

We need more 19 ton trucks. It's the only way to prevent a terrorist attack with a 19 ton truck.

I recommend mac trucks. Some people like freightliner


So, because he actually didn't hit anyone with bullets, you're ok with him firing at people he couldn't get close enough to run over?

Actually, if a few of those people in the crowd had guns, they might have been able to put a few in the cab, and hopefully the driver. As it stands, a guy on a motorcycle was the closest to stopping him before the police finally shot him. The rest of your points are just foolish and in poor taste.


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That's true.

So I apologize for that.

It's all good. I know tensions get high and comments get lumped together.


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I'm not ok with any of it. I never once even remotely implied that.

What I'm doing is pointing out how knee jerk is it to complain about citizens not being armed, in a country where its policy, and a policy that has worked.

A terrorist attack is random and rare per country.

You don't start changing policies that have worked just because of isolated incidents.

In France, the police being armed is enough for them. Stop acting like every country needs to have the same gun policies as America.

Especially when you go on about things changing in this country all the time.

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Originally Posted By: Swish
I'm not ok with any of it. I never once even remotely implied that.

What I'm doing is pointing out how knee jerk is it to complain about citizens not being armed, in a country where its policy, and a policy that has worked.

A terrorist attack is random and rare per country.

You don't start changing policies that have worked just because of isolated incidents.

In France, the police being armed is enough for them. Stop acting like every country needs to have the same gun policies as America.


You obviously get the wrong meaning. They can have whatever gun policy they want. I just hope they understand that they have a lot of sitting ducks waiting for the police when and if this keeps happening. And it looks like it's going to keep happening. These terrorist attacks look like they're getting a lot less rare and random.


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http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidenti...s-its-own-poll/

At 12:52 a.m., this reporter texted Breitbart Washington political editor Matthew Boyle the following message: “56 percent more likely to vote for Trump post speech. 75 percent positive reaction – CNN POLL!!!!!!”

“Huge write,” Boyle replied.

The text was in reference to a CNN instant poll that was briefly displayed onscreen. The numbers were accurate, which brings up one of the problems with instant polls: mainstream media networks have to end up downplaying and throwing cold water on their own poll results when they show support for Trump.

The CNN article, “World Reacts to Donald Trump’s Acceptance Speech,” reads:

El Pais, Spain’s highest circulation newspaper, said Trump’s speech offered a “grim vision of America.” While the UK’s Daily Telegraph described the speech as “deeply pessimistic” and said fact-checkers were “highly critical,” it highlighted a CNN instant poll that found that 56% of Americans who watched the speech responded positively.

This reporter did not happen to meet anyone from El Pais or the UK’s Daily Telegraph in Cleveland at the convention – where a killer Neil Diamond cover band held court in the afternoon civic space next to the upper decks of the Indians’ ballpark.

But CNN’s report is flawed: the 56 percent number was actually the lower of two numbers. The instant poll actually showed that 75 percent of Americans had a positive view of the speech, and that 56 percent would be more likely to vote for him following the speech.

CNN apparently thinks so little of its own instant polling service that it buries the results in the bottom paragraphs of a tedious article citing the newspapers in Spain.

The mainstream press, typically, failed to integrate in any meaningful way with the actual delegates, which the delegates appreciated.


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How?

Hell, we have guns in this country.

That hasn't stopped much. Hell, we do more damage to each other than any terrorist could.

You need to cool with it with the "nobody is safe if you're not strapped" rhetoric.


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http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidenti...s-its-own-poll/

At 12:52 a.m., this reporter texted Breitbart Washington political editor Matthew Boyle the following message: “56 percent more likely to vote for Trump post speech. 75 percent positive reaction – CNN POLL!!!!!!”

“Huge write,” Boyle replied.

The text was in reference to a CNN instant poll that was briefly displayed onscreen. The numbers were accurate, which brings up one of the problems with instant polls: mainstream media networks have to end up downplaying and throwing cold water on their own poll results when they show support for Trump.

The CNN article, “World Reacts to Donald Trump’s Acceptance Speech,” reads:

El Pais, Spain’s highest circulation newspaper, said Trump’s speech offered a “grim vision of America.” While the UK’s Daily Telegraph described the speech as “deeply pessimistic” and said fact-checkers were “highly critical,” it highlighted a CNN instant poll that found that 56% of Americans who watched the speech responded positively.

This reporter did not happen to meet anyone from El Pais or the UK’s Daily Telegraph in Cleveland at the convention – where a killer Neil Diamond cover band held court in the afternoon civic space next to the upper decks of the Indians’ ballpark.

But CNN’s report is flawed: the 56 percent number was actually the lower of two numbers. The instant poll actually showed that 75 percent of Americans had a positive view of the speech, and that 56 percent would be more likely to vote for him following the speech.

CNN apparently thinks so little of its own instant polling service that it buries the results in the bottom paragraphs of a tedious article citing the newspapers in Spain.

The mainstream press, typically, failed to integrate in any meaningful way with the actual delegates, which the delegates appreciated.


This new news of terrorists shooting people in Germany really backs up Trump's words. I think his message is getting stronger by the minute.


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I find it odd how you openly seem to stand up for the rights of Pence to uphold his beliefs even in the political arena.

Yet you seem to feel somewhat offended when the NBA stands on their principals.

It seems to me you only laud people standing up for their beliefs when it matches your own.

I laud people standing up for their beliefs when they do it consistently. The NBA has all of it's players shoes made by kids who make $.25/day. The NBA plays exhibition games and markets itself like crazy in China which has a horrible human rights record, specifically regarding the LGBT community. But they will move the all-star game because a state doesn't want men and women in the same bathroom? Seems kind of like grandstanding don't you think? They have the right to do it, I'm not denying that... I have the right to think it is less about some great set of principals and more about pandering....

If the NBA comes out and announces they are cancelling the exhibition games in China, let me know... then they might have a bit of credibility... until then, it's grandstanding.


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