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Well he is a 3rd rounder in his rookie season...
1. he is not being given the RT job he will have to earn it.
2. Was he in Bently's camp...if not then he has made this evaluation on film. Which is hard to tell what he will do in the 3 point stance. Like all coming up it is one of many things he will have to overcome.
3. I agree on what he has stated about spread offenses...it is so hard to evaluate a lot of positions because of the offense.
4. I don't ever remember a 3rd round pick OL taken as an automatic plug and play...just cause he is being said by even Bently that he has 1st round qualities - nobody said he will be plug and play. If he plays its because the others are not competent and might as well throw him into the fire. Kid from Dallas who played RT...struggled his first 6 games...even bust was thought of by some (fans). Then he just caught on and next season switching back to the left side. LT in college RT first season and then LT second season.
Not quite like hand writing...but never the less a transition that has to be worked on.
I will be happy and surprised if he wins the RT job. We'll see his prospects 3 years from now look very good assuming he develops.
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All of that except the left to right side thing is insignificant.
The stiff ankle comment had me laughing hard. (what are NFL players freaking FRANKENSTEIN!
You guys keep arguing over the mechanics of the golf swing, but tell me Who's on the leaderboard.
Which means, I don't care what his hips do, just make the flippin Block! And can we get 5-8 guys to play in a spot and GEL side by side with the man to their left and right and have the TE and back pick up a rush!
Maybe his lack of being a hothead will benefit his team player status.
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Ya! That's NUTS, and true in a different way.
Really special players, Terelle Owens, will do sit ups in driveways for reporters, ehh
Really special players (Rickey Williams) will miss half a career to enjoy the wonders of marijuana.
Really special players, Hernandez, New England, will be in the courts on murder charges
Really special players, Randy Moss, will get publicity for arguing with metermaids.
Really special players, Josh Gordon will miss about 2 seasons on drug test suspensions.
The only one I really liked was Moss,... and Gordon, (get well soon).
But really special players don't probably make up the right ingredient to be the cogs in the wheel to create the type of offensive line that is going to , (1 RUN BLOCK!!!), going to be an asset of a team that earns a winning record.
Maybe I'm sayin the Oline needs to be a group not a place for individuals, or premadonnas
I'm sure it's of Utmost importance who's on ones left to right side.
Player x can be a 10 level o-lineman, but can play at 11-12, or as bad as 6-7 based on if he has a Sieve or Experienced competence on either side of him.
IT's a group. It's a freaking group!
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As long as we move our feet and don't Lean on our blocks we will be OK. We don't have bums.
I got be honest I cannot predict Bailey at RT...without looking at him (preseason will be my first opportunity) I expect him to be darn good in the run blocking schemes and don't know about his pass blocking...we might have to chip block. With JT on the other side that gives us the opportunity to help him out.
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+1, no bums, we should have good competition for slots- young competition...we'll know something when real hitting starts and Hue will put first string thru their paces during exhibition games.....Go Browns!!!!
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http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/...ir-contact-rateLooks like the stats are showing what was pretty obvious last year... McCown was getting hit pretty quickly despite getting the ball out relatively well. Gotta feel bad for Alex Smith... he wasn't holding the ball much but getting hit twice every eleven pass plays. PLAYER AGE CONTACT % AVG. TIME BEFORE THROW
Tyrod Taylor 27 22.8 2.82
Russell Wilson 27 21.9 2.67
Cam Newton 27 21.7 2.61
C. Kaepernick 28 18.7 2.56
Alex Smith 32 18.4 2.32
T. Bridgewater 23 15.9 2.81
Josh McCown 37 15.5 2.49
Marcus Mariota 22 15.4 2.55
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I'm more worried about our OL's run blocking than pass blocking, but who knows how we'll look without Mack or Schwartz
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I'm more worried about our OL's run blocking than pass blocking, but who knows how we'll look without Mack or Schwartz Lots of good young competition for line spots this year. They loaded up with bodies with some talent. Can they be the guys that fill the holes? not sure, but we'll see.
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http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/...ir-contact-rateLooks like the stats are showing what was pretty obvious last year... McCown was getting hit pretty quickly despite getting the ball out relatively well. Gotta feel bad for Alex Smith... he wasn't holding the ball much but getting hit twice every eleven pass plays. PLAYER AGE CONTACT % AVG. TIME BEFORE THROW
Tyrod Taylor 27 22.8 2.82
Russell Wilson 27 21.9 2.67
Cam Newton 27 21.7 2.61
C. Kaepernick 28 18.7 2.56
Alex Smith 32 18.4 2.32
T. Bridgewater 23 15.9 2.81
Josh McCown 37 15.5 2.49
Marcus Mariota 22 15.4 2.55
Andrew Luck 26 15.2 2.67 Source: ESPN Stats & Information Too bad it doesn't say which QBs got it out the quickest. I've been looking for that stat for awhile.
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http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/...ir-contact-rateLooks like the stats are showing what was pretty obvious last year... McCown was getting hit pretty quickly despite getting the ball out relatively well. Gotta feel bad for Alex Smith... he wasn't holding the ball much but getting hit twice every eleven pass plays. PLAYER AGE CONTACT % AVG. TIME BEFORE THROW
Tyrod Taylor 27 22.8 2.82
Russell Wilson 27 21.9 2.67
Cam Newton 27 21.7 2.61
C. Kaepernick 28 18.7 2.56
Alex Smith 32 18.4 2.32
T. Bridgewater 23 15.9 2.81
Josh McCown 37 15.5 2.49
Marcus Mariota 22 15.4 2.55
Andrew Luck 26 15.2 2.67 Source: ESPN Stats & Information Too bad it doesn't say which QBs got it out the quickest. I've been looking for that stat for awhile. I think that's been a knock on McCown for years
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Profootball focus had time of release numbers for QBs. But they don't publish them to the public anymore but if you Google search you can find previous seasons.
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Awesome information ed and steve. Thanks so much!
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Profootball focus had time of release numbers for QBs. But they don't publish them to the public anymore but if you Google search you can find previous seasons.
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Want to respond further but on cell phone Yeah, I knew they used to provide that information. Now it is unavailable to the public.
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Watching clips of Brady on NFLN this morning, it's amazing how quickly he gets the ball out. Intelligence, recognition, mechanics, etc.
And Rodgers is the same way
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I think Rodgers is amazing. It seems like he is able to get rid of it the quickest when he wants to. His time goes up because he does scramble around and buys so much time when his first couple of guys aren't open.
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I think Rodgers is amazing. It seems like he is able to get rid of it the quickest when he wants to. His time goes up because he does scramble around and buys so much time when his first couple of guys aren't open. I think he's the best pocket manipulator in the game ... and maybe the best ever. He's so aware, innate, and subtle.
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Looks like Pastzor will get the starting position at RT. Not sure where that leaves Bailey....will they keep him or focus on getting Drango and Colemon up to speed or release a rookie?
Glad the competition for the position is over so the line can now work together. Hopefully we can see some improvement as quick as pre-season game 2 vs ATL.
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Looks like Pastzor will get the starting position at RT. Not sure where that leaves Bailey....will they keep him or focus on getting Drango and Colemon up to speed or release a rookie?
Glad the competition for the position is over so the line can now work together. Hopefully we can see some improvement as quick as pre-season game 2 vs ATL. You got a link or a video saying Pasztor is the starter? I think they are rotating there? Not doubting you just curious to see it.
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Looks like Pastzor will get the starting position at RT. Not sure where that leaves Bailey....will they keep him or focus on getting Drango and Colemon up to speed or release a rookie?
Glad the competition for the position is over so the line can now work together. Hopefully we can see some improvement as quick as pre-season game 2 vs ATL. You got a link or a video saying Pasztor is the starter? I think they are rotating there? Not doubting you just curious to see it. I think he may just be basing it off of Hue's comments about him being solid and the fact that he keeps showing up with the 1's
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Browns sticking with Austin Pasztor at RT, Rannell Hall out for the season, 'high expectations' for run game Browns sticking with Austin Pasztor at right tackle The Browns seem to have found some stability at right tackle on their new-look offensive line, as Jackson said they’ll stick with Austin Pasztor. “I thought Austin battled, I thought he battled hard for his first time under the gun,” he said. “I thought he competed extremely hard and I think he’s only going to get better.” Pasztor, the fifth-year player from who started four games for Cleveland in 2015, joins Joe Thomas, Joel Bitonio, Cameron Erving and John Greco on the Browns first-team unit. Jackson also made it clear that he thinks the offensive line is capable of playing better and such improvement should come as the group gels together. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...b5-0e7315af8d24
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Looks like Pastzor will get the starting position at RT. Not sure where that leaves Bailey....will they keep him or focus on getting Drango and Colemon up to speed or release a rookie?
Glad the competition for the position is over so the line can now work together. Hopefully we can see some improvement as quick as pre-season game 2 vs ATL. You got a link or a video saying Pasztor is the starter? I think they are rotating there? Not doubting you just curious to see it. I think he may just be basing it off of Hue's comments about him being solid and the fact that he keeps showing up with the 1's Okay, got it then. Just that the last I heard the position was in flux and they were going to be moving guys around to see who the best player was at the position. I really don't care who plays RT as long as they are not a complete turnstile.
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Browns sticking with Austin Pasztor at RT, Rannell Hall out for the season, 'high expectations' for run game Browns sticking with Austin Pasztor at right tackle The Browns seem to have found some stability at right tackle on their new-look offensive line, as Jackson said they’ll stick with Austin Pasztor. “I thought Austin battled, I thought he battled hard for his first time under the gun,” he said. “I thought he competed extremely hard and I think he’s only going to get better.” Pasztor, the fifth-year player from who started four games for Cleveland in 2015, joins Joe Thomas, Joel Bitonio, Cameron Erving and John Greco on the Browns first-team unit. Jackson also made it clear that he thinks the offensive line is capable of playing better and such improvement should come as the group gels together. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...b5-0e7315af8d24 Thanks Vambo that is the article I was basing my post on.
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Good to hear that the Tilsonburg Mauler is taking control.
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Looks like Pastzor will get the starting position at RT. Not sure where that leaves Bailey....will they keep him or focus on getting Drango and Colemon up to speed or release a rookie?
Glad the competition for the position is over so the line can now work together. Hopefully we can see some improvement as quick as pre-season game 2 vs ATL. You got a link or a video saying Pasztor is the starter? I think they are rotating there? Not doubting you just curious to see it. I think he may just be basing it off of Hue's comments about him being solid and the fact that he keeps showing up with the 1's Joe Thomas also mentioned that he thought Pasztor should be the starting right tackle.
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Greco and Paz need really start working together because those two allowed miscommunication to result in to many negatives. ERving had one bad play also but that right side was tripping over one another.
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Looks like Pastzor will get the starting position at RT. Not sure where that leaves Bailey....will they keep him or focus on getting Drango and Colemon up to speed or release a rookie?
Glad the competition for the position is over so the line can now work together. Hopefully we can see some improvement as quick as pre-season game 2 vs ATL. You got a link or a video saying Pasztor is the starter? I think they are rotating there? Not doubting you just curious to see it. I think he may just be basing it off of Hue's comments about him being solid and the fact that he keeps showing up with the 1's Joe Thomas also mentioned that he thought Pasztor should be the starting right tackle. Oh okay, thanks!
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Listened to whole thing, didn't hear what you heard, Hue stated we need to get better, he competed..blah, blah,...heard mix and match....first preseason game, JMHO, I expect he'll rotated guys in and out at RT...seems our C has been picked....GO Browns!!!
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ERving had one bad play also but that right side was tripping over one another. I saw two bad plays by Erving. One he blocked the guy to his left and let a guy on his right run past him untouched on his way to the QB. That could have been Grecco's guy but I don't see Grecco making that mistake. The other one he simply got beat. I think that's the one RG completed a short pass to Barnage before getting hit. I also saw, at least once, Erving get to the second level for a good block after clearing out the guy in front of him, passing him off to Bitonio. All-in-all, a lot of good teaching points for the coaches.
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The one whiff Erving had that I saw was pretty blatant ... guy got right through him to RG3 and forced an arrant throw
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I saw two bad plays by Erving. One he blocked the guy to his left and let a guy on his right run past him untouched on his way to the QB. That could have been Grecco's guy but I don't see Grecco making that mistake. The other one he simply got beat. I think that's the one RG completed a short pass to Barnage before getting hit. I also saw, at least once, Erving get to the second level for a good block after clearing out the guy in front of him, passing him off to Bitonio. All-in-all, a lot of good teaching points for the coaches.
The first play you mentioned was supposed to be a screen. The timing was off all around. If Crow had been where he was supposed to be (not necessarily his fault that he wasn't) the play looked like it was set up to get pretty good yardage. Hopefully, Hue works out the kinks. The ability to run a screen effectively some day would be nice.
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Wow that's it? Basically a rookie center is going to be under the microscope here. Winning games probably won't be enough to lift it away.
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The OL will be MONEYBALLS shining example of why it WON'T WORK ...
- we had/have TONS of space under the cap ..
- we had/have NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVES to C and RT (Safety is going to be another SHINING EXAMPLE) ..
- yet they WALKED with not even a SQUIRMISH much less a fight ...
So MONEYBALL says there WORTH X ... We won't pay more and they leave .... Even though we have TONS OF CASH AND NO REPLACEMENTS IN SITE ...
The folks that think analytics and money ball is a stroke of genius and making up all the Bull to justify it ... Well they can't RECTIFY/JUSTIFY this one .. No matter how hard they try and point the fingers in other places .. For those w/o blinders on .. THAT ONES A NO-BRAINER!!!
It makes ZERO SENSE and is in no way anything close to the formula on building a winning football team ...
U throw the safety in and not only were these guys WAY BETTER THAN anything we had/have .. THEY WERE YOUNG ...
If your NOT GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON YOUR OWN YOUNG TALENT WHO THE HELL U GONNA SPEND IT ON???
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What some call MONEYBALL and analytics .. I call COMMON SENSE ...
One of the menzas in the packer forum said analytics proved its worth cause of all the potential of the young guys ... Well if u need someone with a computer and a spreadsheet to tell u the more picks u make the better the odds are statistically U hit on more numbers wise then u got way bigger problems ... Once again COMMON SENSE ..
But u know what else is COMMON SENSE ... Not letting your good young players walk when u HAVE TONS OF CASH UNDER THE CAP AND NO VIABLE REPLACDEMENTS AND 17 OR WO OTHER HOLES TO FILL ...
Crap ... Even if EVERY DRAFT PICK WORKED OUT THIS year .. We'd still have a dozen holes to fill ...
It just blows my mind when u look at our entire picture and look at the pieces we have and how many pieces we need and the fact we let these guys walk ..
We created more holes in a SIEVE .... Hmmm ... Wonder if these guys come from GOVERMENT .. *L* ...
Oh well .. Here's to what we got .. We'll see what Hue and staff can do with the pups ...
Funny thing is .. When were 2 - 9 .. We'll be calming everyone down ... *LOL* ..
Like I said before ..
HC = Lombardi
OC = Walsh
DC = Bilicheck
You'd still be lucky to win 4 games .. And I mean LUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKYYYYYYYY ..
This was a re-build and for some reason we let part of it walk .... Only winner here seems to be Jimmy and Dee's pocket book ..
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